I am confused, the argument here, to the extent that there is one, is not on the evidence gathered by anyone, painstakingly or not, it's on the conclusions we derive from them.
Specifically on this issue the theory goes that Lauren stated that Dale said to her MP arrived at 4:00 pm and because later we have a video footage that shows MP arriving at 3:18 pm then therefore Dale lied.
I and at least one other disagreed that this proves Dale lied, the reasons for that can be found on several posts above.
So what are the facts?
1. Lauren states Dale said MP arrived at 4:00 pm.
2. Presumably Sr. and/or other Dale's family members say Dale arrived at Sr's at 4:30 pm. (according to his attorney)
3. There is a footage of MP arriving at Dale's at 3:18 pm
So what are the opinions on those facts?
They can be found on the posts above both by me and others.
Conclusion: If I am asked a question that starts with the conclusion that Dale lied and therefore is guilty then there is not much argument there, is there? If he lied then he's probably guilty and I agree.
What I said was that it is entirely questionable here that Dale and Sr. lied and that in any case has not been proven in a factual sense and that is in fact what is debatable.
In other words the question cannot come with a forgone conclusion to the same question (that would be a rhetorical question only), and a conclusion cannot be arrived at without answering the question. To the degree that the question allows for different conclusions that is a called a debate.
JMO
Okay so let me get this straight. You are suggesting that Lauren may be mistaken about what she heard regarding the time DSJr said that Michelle arrived at the condo, or she may be correct but DSJr may be mistaken about the times he told the family and presumably LE that Michelle arrived at the condo and when she left. This is not a theory. Lauren herself stated this information in a phone call with Vinnie Politan on his show dated Nov 29th.
So you believe that the discrepancy there means nothing? And that it doesn't seem suspicious at all that there is a 40 minute difference? Or do you believe that DSJr never said that to the family or LE? What is your conclusion about that information?
You are presuming that it was a member of DSJrs family who was the alibi witness as per his lawyers statement but there is not one quote from anyone on his legal team, in his family, or LE that stated this. I have asked for a link to this info but perhaps you missed my request?
So in essence, your debate is not to poke holes in any theories presented based on the information that has been gathered and provide some of your own for us to consider, but to poke holes in the mounting evidence against Dale Smith Jr, the LE named prime suspect in the case. I believe a mod indicated in the last thread that this is the Michelle Parker thread and not the defend Dale Smith Jr thread.
So lets just say again for arguments sake that all of the information and evidence that has been gathered by LE that points to DSJr can be interpreted in a different way, which can always be the case and is the reason why defence attorneys exist, and that hes actually completely innocent of any wrong doing. And that Michelle left the condo at some point after dropping the children off perfectly well and fine.
So we know she arrived at 3:18pm. What happened next? What time did she leave? We cant count on DSJrs account because he might have been just estimating and could have been off by about 40 minutes or Lauren may be mistaken about what he actually said. Where was Michelle when the Waterford text was sent over an hour after she arrived? We know she wasnt in Waterford. Why didnt anyone see her or the Hummer during that time? A poster on this board claimed he saw her exiting the hwy shortly before she arrived at the condo. There is video surveillance of her stopping for lunch. There may be some other people in the over 700 tips who saw her and/or her vehicle prior to arrival as well.
So can we assume that no one saw her after that arrival since LE continue to maintain that they believe DSJr is involved? Why didnt she call her son as she always does if he arrives home before her? Why didnt she call or text anyone other than that one word text to her brother which was a lie. How far do you figure she got before she met with foul play? Her phone was at Hoffner and Semoran travelling west and pinging at some time. What was that ping? When was it? We've only been told about two pings. The Waterford text and the last ping before the phone powered down near the Jesse Black Saloon in Oakridge. So was the Waterford text the ping at Hoffner and Semoran, less than 3 miles away from the condo over an hour after she arrived? What is your conclusion about that ping?
Or do you believe that she didnt meet with foul play and that she threw away her phone, drove to Walden Circle, stripped off the decals and took them with her, left her purse and all identification and bank cards behind and just walked away from her life? Why did she travel west instead of east towards home where she told her family less than an hour earlier she was headed?
What is your theory or opinion of what happened to Michelle Parker. Not just your theory or opinion of why the evidence or information gathered against Dale Smith Jr means nothing because he hasnt been arrested. What are your conclusions based on the information that has been provided?
TIA
MOO