GUILTY FL - Taylor Rose Williams, 5, found deceased, Jacksonville, 6 Nov 2019 *Arrest* #4

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Caylee Advocate said:
Can you please provide a MSM link to where "25-50 days" was said, and also a "shed she was guarding" I have not read any of that. TIA.
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Hope I've added it right, the article states it takes between 25-50 days for advanced decomp to take place which is how Taylor's remains were found.
 

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GussiedCanoodler said:
I don't think this a very fair assessment. Yes, there are certain situations that can predispose a person to certain behaviors, but that is not always the case. As you said, risk factors. They do not pre-determine a person's life. We don't know if she was abused and shouldn't assume she was either. Also, I watched the interview as well and did not think they had shifty eyes, and to say "everyone should have observed" seemed like quite a stretch. To me, they just looked uncomfortable being on camera (as many people are).

I know this is very very different, but I originally came to WS because of the Mollie Tibbets case last summer. Anyone who followed that case will remember how people were convinced a certain pig-farmer was involved with her case because he 'seemed' sketchy and had a bad camera presence. It turned out he had nothing to do in her case at all and people were just pointing fingers at someone who fit the bill of who they thought did... something bad (no one even knew if she was definitely dead at that point). I know you said that this is your opinion, but it just seems kind of harsh considering we know absolutely nothing about her aunt or uncle or why she lived with them.
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I get your reasoning and agree with it, and although not quoted in MSM it has been widely reported on SM that BW was abused as a child and who the perpetrators were, by many sources who were once close to BW, including a past partner.

While it's true we can't know this for sure, we can never really know if someone's claim of abuse is genuine or not. I think the fact that many people have came forward to say the same things about the same person/people, plus the fact that for some reason BW cut off contact with particular family members long before Taylor passed away lends a little weight to believe there's a fair chance it's true.

I agree completely that this has no bearing on whatever became of little Taylor, and does not excuse it whatsoever, but it can't be denied that there's a connection to cases like this and past trauma/neglect/abuse of the perpetrator. Again not an excuse and I hope they throw the book at BW, also I'm not saying all child victims of abuse grow up to become abusers as I don't believe that's true at all. MOO
 
Just found this case for Taylor Rose.... :( another beautiful child dead by the hands of her "mother", & I use that term VERY loosely!!

Here's stuff from the court site:

1
D1 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 ARREST & BOOKING REPORT 2019-030252 11/12/2019 11

2 1 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 S827.03(1)(E) CHILD NEGLECT

3 2 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 S827.03(1)(E) CHILD NEGLECT

4 3 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 S837.055 GIVING FALSE INFORMATION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT DURING INVESTIGATION

5 1 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 BOND SET AT $500,003.00

6 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 NO ALCOHOL OR DRUGS, NO CONTACT WITH WITNESSES OR CO-DEFENDANTS, NO FIREARMS OR WEAPONS, NO INTERNET

7 2 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 BOND SET AT $500,003.00

8 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 NO ALCOHOL OR DRUGS, NO CONTACT WITH WITNESSES OR CO-DEFENDANTS, NO FIREARMS OR WEAPONS, NO INTERNET

9 3 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 BOND SET AT $100,003.00

10 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 NO ALCOHOL OR DRUGS, NO CONTACT WITH WITNESSES OR CO-DEFENDANTS, NO FIREARMS OR WEAPONS, NO INTERNET

11
D11 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 ORDER SETTING BOND AND PLACING DEFENDANT ON HOME DETENTION/ELECTRONIC MONITORING PROGRAM

12
D12 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 APPLICATION FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS - FILED 1

13
D13 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 DEFENDANT DECLARED INDIGENT, ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER - FILED 1

14 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 PD APP FEE 50.00 IMPOSED

15 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 FEES DUE: 11/13/2019

16 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 ARRAIGNMENT COURT DATE: 12/04/2019 SUBJECT TO CHANGE. CALL FOR VERIFICATION
18
D18 -- 11/27/2019
11/27/2019 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY & SPECIFIC DEMAND FOR INFORMATION 2

19
D19 -- 11/27/2019
11/27/2019 MOTION FOR STATEMENT OF PARTICULARS

link: CORE - Clerk Online Resource ePortal
 
Docket:
18
D18 -- 11/27/2019
11/27/2019 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY & SPECIFIC DEMAND FOR INFORMATION 2

19
D19 -- 11/27/2019
11/27/2019 MOTION FOR STATEMENT OF PARTICULARS 1

20 -- 12/3/2019
12/3/2019 ARRAIGNMENT COURT DATE: 12/18/2019 SUBJECT TO CHANGE. CALL FOR VERIFICATION

21
D25 -- 12/3/2019
12/3/2019 INFORMATION 3

22 1 12/3/2019
12/3/2019 INFORMATION FILED S827.03(1)(E) CHILD NEGLECT

23 2 12/3/2019
12/3/2019 INFORMATION FILED S827.03(1)(E) CHILD NEGLECT

24 3 12/3/2019
12/3/2019 INFORMATION FILED S837.055(2) GIVE FALSE INFORMATION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT DURING INVESTIGATION

25 -- 12/3/2019
12/3/2019 ARRAIGNMENT DATE 12/18/2019 9:00 AM - 608 6TH FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202


Hearing:
Date Time Type Location Courtroom Cancelled
12/18/2019 9:00 AM ARRAIGNMENT DATE 6th Floor 608

link: CORE - Clerk Online Resource ePortal
 
Niner said:
Just found this case for Taylor Rose.... :( another beautiful child dead by the hands of her "mother", & I use that term VERY loosely!!

Here's stuff from the court site:

1
D1 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 ARREST & BOOKING REPORT 2019-030252 11/12/2019 11

2 1 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 S827.03(1)(E) CHILD NEGLECT

3 2 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 S827.03(1)(E) CHILD NEGLECT

4 3 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 S837.055 GIVING FALSE INFORMATION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT DURING INVESTIGATION

5 1 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 BOND SET AT $500,003.00

6 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 NO ALCOHOL OR DRUGS, NO CONTACT WITH WITNESSES OR CO-DEFENDANTS, NO FIREARMS OR WEAPONS, NO INTERNET

7 2 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 BOND SET AT $500,003.00

8 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 NO ALCOHOL OR DRUGS, NO CONTACT WITH WITNESSES OR CO-DEFENDANTS, NO FIREARMS OR WEAPONS, NO INTERNET

9 3 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 BOND SET AT $100,003.00

10 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 NO ALCOHOL OR DRUGS, NO CONTACT WITH WITNESSES OR CO-DEFENDANTS, NO FIREARMS OR WEAPONS, NO INTERNET

11
D11 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 ORDER SETTING BOND AND PLACING DEFENDANT ON HOME DETENTION/ELECTRONIC MONITORING PROGRAM

12
D12 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 APPLICATION FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS - FILED 1

13
D13 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 DEFENDANT DECLARED INDIGENT, ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER - FILED 1

14 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 PD APP FEE 50.00 IMPOSED

15 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 FEES DUE: 11/13/2019

16 -- 11/13/2019
11/13/2019 ARRAIGNMENT COURT DATE: 12/04/2019 SUBJECT TO CHANGE. CALL FOR VERIFICATION
18
D18 -- 11/27/2019
11/27/2019 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY & SPECIFIC DEMAND FOR INFORMATION 2

19
D19 -- 11/27/2019
11/27/2019 MOTION FOR STATEMENT OF PARTICULARS

link: CORE - Clerk Online Resource ePortal
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@Niner can you check this again for the adversarial hearing?
 
CSIDreamer said:
Upgraded felony charge filed against Brianna Williams in the case of her dead 5-year-old daughter

Lying is now bumped up to a felony due to age of child. So, 3 felony charges.
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From link:

On Tuesday, Dec. 3 -- the same day prosecutors filed the Information -- Brianna Williams' attorneys filed a motion for an Adversarial Preliminary Hearing.

A defendant is entitled to such a hearing if the State Attorney’s Office hasn’t filed a formal charging document within 21 days of an arrest.

Monday was the 21st day. The Information wasn't filed with the court until Tuesday.
 
MissMalowe said:
Can someone explain the above for those of us it as familiar with the court proceedings of cases....what is an adversarial hearing? Did states attorneys office drop the ball? (Filed things too late?)
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Looks like the State was a day late in filing an Information (formal charging document) within 21 days of arrest, which allowed the defense lawyer to file an Adversarial preliminary hearing. This is an advantage for the person charged, if they are not hoping for a plea deal, as outlined below. It appears that the State dropped the ball, but I am not a lawyer, so it is moo.

What is an adversarial preliminary hearing?

An adversarial preliminary hearing is rarely used, but can be an effective tool.

A person is entitled to an Adversarial Preliminary Hearing when:
  • arrested on a felony,
  • it has been 21 days since the arrest, and
  • the State has not filed an Information (formal charging document).
If the State hasn't filed an Information within 21 days, and you aren't interested in negotiating or communicating with the State to try to convince them not file charges, to file lesser charges, or to negotiate a disposition, then it may be to your advantage to file an Adversarial Preliminary Hearing motion.

The benefit is that your attorney will be able to cross examine state witnesses and obtain sworn testimony that can be used in your defense. You also could be released, if in custody.
Witnesses can be called and cross examined by the defense attorney and the judge shall make a probable cause determination. If the judge determines that there is probable cause, the person would continue to be held in custody.

Adversarial Preliminary Hearings | Jacksonville Criminal Defense Lawyers
 
casesensitive said:
Looks like the State was a day late in filing an Information (formal charging document) within 21 days of arrest, which allowed the defense lawyer to file an Adversarial preliminary hearing. This is an advantage for the person charged, if they are not hoping for a plea deal, as outlined below. It appears that the State dropped the ball, but I am not a lawyer, so it is moo.

What is an adversarial preliminary hearing?

An adversarial preliminary hearing is rarely used, but can be an effective tool.

A person is entitled to an Adversarial Preliminary Hearing when:
  • arrested on a felony,
  • it has been 21 days since the arrest, and
  • the State has not filed an Information (formal charging document).
If the State hasn't filed an Information within 21 days, and you aren't interested in negotiating or communicating with the State to try to convince them not file charges, to file lesser charges, or to negotiate a disposition, then it may be to your advantage to file an Adversarial Preliminary Hearing motion.

The benefit is that your attorney will be able to cross examine state witnesses and obtain sworn testimony that can be used in your defense. You also could be released, if in custody.
Witnesses can be called and cross examined by the defense attorney and the judge shall make a probable cause determination. If the judge determines that there is probable cause, the person would continue to be held in custody.

Adversarial Preliminary Hearings | Jacksonville Criminal Defense Lawyers
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Thank you for explaining!
 
Another continuance....

Docket:
31 -- 12/16/2019
12/16/2019 CANCELLED ARRAIGNMENT DATE ON 1/2/2020 9:00:00 AM

32 -- 12/16/2019
12/16/2019 > CANCEL REASON - PER JA EMAIL

33 -- 12/16/2019
12/16/2019 ARRAIGNMENT DATE 01/08/2020 9:00 AM - 608 6TH FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202


Hearings:
Date Time Type Location Courtroom Cancelled
12/18/2019 9:00 AM ARRAIGNMENT DATE 6th Floor 608 Yes

1/2/2020 9:00 AM ARRAIGNMENT DATE 6th Floor 608 Yes

1/8/2020 9:00 AM ARRAIGNMENT DATE 6th Floor 608

link: CORE - Clerk Online Resource ePortal
 
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