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colomom said:
http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=22878

Arrest of a British suspect is imminent

48 hours....:eek:
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Holy Smoke!

The British police is ready to arrest a friend of the McCanns in Exeter, on suspicion of involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine in the Algarve. It has been mentioned that some of the friends who spent the holidays with the McCanns at the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, live in that locality.

...The suspect moved to Exeter four weeks before going on holiday to the Praia da Luz. The younger sister of Robert Murat, the only person designated as a suspect for kidnapping Madeleine, also lives in the same city. Murat was also in Exeter before returning to Portugal on 1st of May. Additionally, it was this suspect who denounced Murat to the police – re. his movements near the apartment where the child resided.
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Russell O'Brian is the one who lives in Exeter, right? He must have been the one who had the "scent of death" on him . . .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ews.html?in_article_id=483881&in_page_id=1811

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Attorney General Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro also launched an extraordinary attack on public prosecutors and police involved in the Madeleine McCann investigation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=489062&in_page_id=1770


He likened the country's Ministerio Publico - the equivalent of the Crown Prosecution Service - to a medieval fiefdom.
And he admitted he had no control over the police and could not guarantee they were not acting outside the limits of the law.
 
Just to add - Kate also had the "smell of death" on her own things, so what does she know about O'Brian?

Did he find Maddie dead from a fall and told the parents later, perhaps?

Gosh . . .
 
The article goes on to explain that Kate doesn't want to go back to working as "locum GP" or "part time GP." (I think from the descriptions I read, it was more or less a sub. doctor type position, where she filled in for others or as needed kind of thing. A good job but a far cry from being anesthesiologist/specialist.

But now she wants a career in child welfare, speaking out for children everywhere, helping people.

If she wanted to get the twins back into a "normal" life, this would not be the way to go about it.
 
april4sky said:
Attorney General Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro also launched an extraordinary attack on public prosecutors and police involved in the Madeleine McCann investigation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=489062&in_page_id=1770


He likened the country's Ministerio Publico - the equivalent of the Crown Prosecution Service - to a medieval fiefdom.
And he admitted he had no control over the police and could not guarantee they were not acting outside the limits of the law.
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Did he or did the article take liberties?

I myself have many doubts that my phones are not being tapped. I think my mobile is being tapped. At times it makes very strange noises."


He denied receiving pressure from the British government over the Madeleine investigation, insisting Portugal's UK ambassador had personally congratulated him on the police investigation.

But he admitted Portugal lacked the experience of countries like the UK in investigating child abductions.

In a clear indication he has not ruled out the kidnap theory and all lines of investigation are still open, he said: "Resolving the crime becomes more difficult as time goes on.

"If you're asking me what I think about the Maddie case, I don't think anything.

"All I say is that a million children are abducted in the world every year, a thousand in England and we have a dozen.

"This is the type of crime that is investigated by police here and in the rest of the world.
"They tell me now, 'mistakes were made.' But we don't have great experience in this type of crime. All I know is that no lead should be abandoned.
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And the McCans -
"They have now told family members to be careful what they say over the phone as it is thought all conversations could be recorded as potential evidence. " Hmmm..... usually innocent people don't need to watch what they say.
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ThoughtFox said:
Just to add - Kate also had the "smell of death" on her own things, so what does she know about O'Brian?

Did he find Maddie dead from a fall and told the parents later, perhaps?

Gosh . . .
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A person's belongings can have a smell of death on them without that person necessarily having been in contact with the dead body. This can happen if anyone else brought the scent to your belongings. Say, someone wants to get rid of a body and wraps the body in YOUR clothes. Or, say, someone wants to frame you and rubs your stuff on the dead body before removing it.

Instead of viewing Kate's wacky-sounding statements through the lens of "she's guilty", it can be informative to try viewing them through a lens of "she's innocent". Not as a Kate apologist, but as a sleuth. If someone says to you that your child's toy smells of death, and you are innocent and have absolutely no clue how that could be, what would you say?

Also, a few more interesting points:

* Kate and Gerry were interviewed *separately* by the PJ. If one or the other wanted to plant some juicy suspicions in the minds of the police, it would be easy. "Kate had been very stressed out by the kids during that time, and yes I'm so sorry to say it, but did see her slap Madeleine once. I was worried about her sanity, to be truthful."

* If you did a bad thing and are lieing about it, wouldn't it be pretty easy to account for FIVE MINUTES of your time? Make up anything! Five minutes is easy to fill with search for your lost child. I daresey a really good liar could also easily fill up the FIFTEEN MINUTES that Gerry has unaccounted for that evening, between 9:05 (precisely) when he left the table and 9:20 when he started up a chat with Jeremy Wilkins.

* If you're innocent and telling the truth, and you were in shock and fear at the time and are in shock and misery now, you might very well admit that there's a large zone of mental numbness during which you frankly have no idea where you were or what you were doing.

It's all about character, folks.
 
hcc2007 said:
Instead of viewing Kate's wacky-sounding statements through the lens of "she's guilty", it can be informative to try viewing them through a lens of "she's innocent". Not as a Kate apologist, but as a sleuth. If someone says to you that your child's toy smells of death, and you are innocent and have absolutely no clue how that could be, what would you say?
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I did in the beginning view everything they said as if they were innocent of harming Maddie. It is with that view point, their actions and statements cause me to believe differently now.

You assume it it pre-judging when if fact the complete opposite is what unfolded. Many of us who now feel they are guilty of more than "bad choices" feel so due to the fact the giving them the benefit of the doubt no longer fits.

* If you did a bad thing and are lieing about it, wouldn't it be pretty easy to account for FIVE MINUTES of your time? Make up anything! Five minutes is easy to fill with search for your lost child. I daresey a really good liar could also easily fill up the FIFTEEN MINUTES that Gerry has unaccounted for that evening, between 9:05 (precisely) when he left the table and 9:20 when he started up a chat with Jeremy Wilkins.
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And I dare say they are doing just fine in the lying dept, imo.
 
Barnaby said:
I think this is an old article Colomon, it has disappeared now from the mirror forum.
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I am sorry B, so sorry ThoughtFox, and sorry to anyone else that I mislead. That is an old article, from August.

I guess someone re-posted it on the Mirror board and, silly me, I did not verify the source. :blushing: I got sidetracked.

In my defense, I was involved in one of the biggest sports fiasco's in baseball history (IMHO) as I attempted to purchase World's Series tickets this morning. Stupid servers here in Denver could not handle the volume (8.5 million hits in 90 minutes) so they had to suspend ticket sales, for now. :furious: Don't know if I have it in me to try again.

I promise to be more careful in the future.
 
colomom said:
I am sorry B, so sorry ThoughtFox, and sorry to anyone else that I mislead. That is an old article, from August.

I guess someone re-posted it on the Mirror board and, silly me, I did not verify the source. :blushing: I got sidetracked.

In my defense, I was involved in one of the biggest sports fiasco's in baseball history (IMHO) as I attempted to purchase World's Series tickets this morning. Stupid servers here in Denver could not handle the volume (8.5 million hits in 90 minutes) so they had to suspend ticket sales, for now. :furious: Don't know if I have it in me to try again.

I promise to be more careful in the future.
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Please don't apologise Colomon, there is so much info circulating at the moment we all get sidetracked. Hope you get your tickets.
 
So, what is Kate going to do with her life? Right now she and Gerry are living high without working at all.
 
http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=22935

Google translation of "24Horas" 22 -10

Half a million for Maddie


Excerpt:

"Among the various examinations of DNA made under medico-legal expertise in the field of genetics and biology, which include samples of blood and saliva, samples of hair, teeth, bones or other tissues, and compared with samples from other family members to Gerry was to determine whether or not the true father of Madeleine, spent by more than 50,000 euros"


My God where did they get the bones/teeth/other tissues? Is there a possibility that they already have a body & are keeping it under wraps? Surely they couldn't do that? But how can you sample teeth, bones etc from a live person?
 
Trino said:
So, what is Kate going to do with her life? Right now she and Gerry are living high without working at all.
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Living high??????????????? In what sense? Gerry is going back to work according to press reports.
 
Barnaby said:
http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=22935

Google translation of "24Horas" 22 -10

Half a million for Maddie


Excerpt:

"Among the various examinations of DNA made under medico-legal expertise in the field of genetics and biology, which include samples of blood and saliva, samples of hair, teeth, bones or other tissues, and compared with samples from other family members to Gerry was to determine whether or not the true father of Madeleine, spent by more than 50,000 euros"


My God where did they get the bones/teeth/other tissues? Is there a possibility that they already have a body & are keeping it under wraps? Surely they couldn't do that? But how can you sample teeth, bones etc from a live person?
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I took that to mean that those were examples of things you could extract DNA from not that they neccessarily had.
 
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