GK's convoluted theory... what's yours? Please share!

Yeah, Facebook isn't a very good platform when it comes to discussions. I joined that group recently, but have really just lurked due to the fact that it's hard to keep up with.
Would there be a way to, with permission of course, post links to the MHT? In all honesty, I think it's as close to the truth anyone has gotten so far.
 
They also heard gunshots too from the same general area. One of the boys fathers heard them, as well as a tenant of some nearby apartment buildings. Who was firing off a gun in the woods during the search? Roughly half an hour later, Bojangles staggers into that ladies room covered in mud and blood.
 
The MHT is pinned to the top of the WM3 Friends Facebook page. Anyone who is a member can read it.
 
The MHT is pinned to the top of the WM3 Friends Facebook page. Anyone who is a member can read it.

The manhole theroy is very interesting. My issue is the manhole theory along with any theory they were stashed and bound some where before leaving them in the creek/ditch is there has to be a 2nd individual because its just too risky to leave them unattended while a search is going on. I kinda have my mind wrapped about 1 person doing the murders because I think at this point anyone else would have broken down and told the story (right?) Or maybe they did... Could there be a 2nd person? One to join the search and one to keep watch with over the victims?
Something that always struck me about TH is
first the kids are missing and there's a quick search with PH
then he nonchalantly goes and plays guitar at a friends house? (no calling police, no continuing a search, no contacting friends)
then he leaves saying he's looking for the boys, 2 hours before he returns to DJ house
then he comes back and makes DJ drive around with him
then he picks up his wife and then calls the police at her job

There's statements about escalting tension in the family at that point in time. Yet planning to kill a child just for the sake they are in the way is just too cruel and heinous to me. Why raise a child to 8 years old only then to be rid of the situation. Seems like there's had to be more motivation. Fear of losing PH maybe.. but only to abandon her a few weeks later? Yet the murder of SB shows so much rage and need for control (bite mark). And then the cursory quick looks around the neighborhood to me seem like he's doing it for "show".
 
IMO, there could have been an accomplice involved. Right now, my money would be on JKM, the pedophile. However, it's also possible, again, IMO, that TH acted alone. Remember, he was the only person (besides Pam, who was at work, and Amanda, who was four) who knew that anyone was missing until JMB got back from court and getting Melissa (about 5:30). Then, when JMB first raised the alarm, the cops told him to give it time. DM, MM's mom, apparently got concerned about 6:00 pm, but, again, it wasn't dark yet. So, no intensive searching started until probably about 8:00 pm. Sunset was about 7:50 pm, IIRC. IMO, that is ample time for the crime, especially for someone who the boys trusted to some extent. I also believe that TH steered the searchers away from the manhole (or whatever) in which the children were secreted as he participated in the search. I don't think the murder was planned, but that it began as discipline for running from him and went very much awry. Then, witnesses had to be eliminated. As to motive, I think TH saw SB as competition for PH's affection. Sick? Yes, very! However, that's why I think he got so enraged. Either that, or he was high on meth or something and just lost control.
 
I never did read everything that Paid posited in his manhole theory however I read Compassionate Reader's version and it certainly makes sense. I agree that if why + how = who then TH would be the most viable suspect in my opinion. Did Paid actually go to the scene and take a photo of the manhole? I would be interested in seeing that for sure!

I do agree with Ausgirl and Compassionate Reader and other posters that one of the boys could have been killed accidentally (or that things evolved rapidly and it was thought that the first boy was dead but was unconscious) and then the others would have been "eliminated" as collateral damage. It's just so difficult to even think of something so horrid happening but the fact is that it did happen. The fact that the person(s) who did this were not interrogated or suspected is unnerving to say the least. I, like all of the others on this site want justice so badly for the three little boys and I still hold out hope that it will one day soon happen.

I am also still entertaining the possibility that the boys witnessed a drug connection meeting as a path led from the truckstop to the woods. I would love to hear other theories and discussions on any of this. Thank you everyone!
 
I have high hopes for the May 5, 2015, rally providing us with some new information. Let's all hope (and pray, if so inclined) that it happens. I agree that justice has been delayed way too long!

On another note, I've been recently looking on Cally's for evidence that the hair in the ligature was a facial hair because someone on another board was questioning that. I found it (with a little help from a friend), but, in the process, I was looking carefully at all of the evidence submission forms from the wmpd. I see where hair and blood from both JMB and TM (MM's dad) were sent for testing. However, as I've stated before (and my recent searching has confirmed), I see no evidence that samples were collected from TH. Have I missed something? If not, how strange is that?!
 
From what I gather they didn't look into TH at all and the head detective gilla-something even got uncomfortable and refused to answer why in WOM or PL3. The whole case reeks all the way down to the public involved that seems to suffer from pathological lying. It's a shame. I think the perjury and incompetence compromised the justice and Burnett and others look at it as water under the bridge.
 
Wow. Very interesting discussions happening here. Wanted to say hi to Goblin Keeper, hope all is well and I can't wait to hear what could have knocked you over with a feather! Do tell - when you have a minute. All the Best!
 
From what I gather they didn't look into TH at all and the head detective gilla-something even got uncomfortable and refused to answer why in WOM or PL3. The whole case reeks all the way down to the public involved that seems to suffer from pathological lying. It's a shame. I think the perjury and incompetence compromised the justice and Burnett and others look at it as water under the bridge.

His name is Gitchell, and yes, you're right. He was extremely uncomfortable, as was Fogleman in West of Memphis.
 
Hello to everyone! I haven't forgotten or forsaken this thread... just have a few hectic things in life right now. My best friend's father (like an uncle to me) recently died, and I've been in close contact with him, and have been trying to get out to see him. I also have two classes that are taking up some of my time as well. But I am still working on those timelines for D, J, and J! A special shoutout to Graznik, Compassionate Reader, and zencompass... hope you're all doing well, and keep up the good work here! zen, I will let you know when I get back on to post the timelines about that shocker from the judge...
 
And of course no treatment of alibis and timelines would be complete without a look at the three who were arrested, charged, tried, and convicted of this horrendous crime: DWE, CJB, and JLM Jr. Many claims have swirled about these three for over two decades, and the controversy doesn’t show any signs of slowing down. Almost three years after entering Alford pleas, there are a number of people who still consider them guilty of the crime; there are an equal, if not greater number, who consider them innocent and work to see them exonerated.

DWE, CJB, and JLM Jr. have been accused of not having alibis for the evening of the disappearance and murder of SB, CB and MM. Others have accused their families and friends of fabricating alibis; the prosecution at trial accused DWE of changing his alibi whenever necessary; several changes in their alibis during police interviews were viewed with suspicion; and their alibis were said to have not been able to withstand closer scrutiny, which is why so many alibi witnesses were not called by the defense teams. But these same people have no problems with other suspect’s alibis having the same deficiencies. Granted, there were contradictions, and some of their witnesses did not provide them with the best of alibis, but this is the case with others who were investigated and then cleared. So why were they singled out for prosecution? As usual, the main source is Callahan’s for documents and testimony, except where noted otherwise.

On May 9, 1993, DWE, CJB and DAT (http://www.callahan.8k.com/wm3/bddjd.html) told police officers that all three had gone to CJB’s uncle’s house that day, where CJB mowed the lawn. However, they were unsure of the time they went, and the address, although it was recorded by BD as being “somewhere off Dover behind Blockbuster Video.” DWE called his father for a ride. DWE’s father picked him, CJB and DAT up some time around 6:00 PM at a nearby Laundromat at Missouri and N Worthington. They drove CJB and DAT home; then DWE went home with his father. SG then completed a questionnaire with DWE, and had started asking CJB the same questions when his mother (AGG) arrived, became upset, and cut the questioning short., whereupon the officers left.

On May 10, 1993, DWE told police a different story according to police notes and a transcribed report. First let’s examine the notes taken by detective BR. On page one of the notes, it is highlighted that DWE went with his “dad, mother, and sister” on May 5 to RS/SS home from 3:00 to 5:00 pm. After that, he went home, got out the telephone and talked with HG until either 11:00 or 11:30 pm (http://callahan.8k.com/images2/d_echols/de_ridge_report_01.jpg). In the transcribed report, there is more detail. According to the report, DWE was with CJB and DAT at CJB’s uncle’s house on Center Street in West Memphis, near Alexander’s Laundry Mat. DWE called his mother from Alexander’s to pick him up. His mother did, and she also picked up and took DAT home. After that, DWE, his mother, sister, and father (JH) went to the RS/SS house from about 3:00 to 5:00 pm. Upon leaving, he went home where he and HG from Bartlett, TN talked on the phone until about 11:30 pm (http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/dwe.html). In this account, nothing is said about CJB being picked up as well by DWE’s mother. Also, this would mean that DWE and DAT were picked up at the Laundromat around 2:00 or 2:30 pm, and not 6:00 pm as stated previously. It would be interesting to know if these changes in timeline were the result of DWE’s memory, his mother’s, or someone else’s. If they were indeed with CJB, the later time would be more likely, as CJB was in school during the day. If they were not, then either dates were mixed up, indicating a faulty memory, deception, or manipulation. Given the track record of the WMPD…

However, on May 10, 1993, DAT also talked to BR of the WMPD and MMK of the AR State Police. In her statement, she affirmed that she, DWE, CJB and KW were at CJB’s uncle’s house where CJB mowed the lawn. DWE’s mother picked up him and her from the Laundromat, “the time was about dark or just before it got dark” (sunset was 7:48 pm that evening). DAT stated she called DWE from her home, and “that he told her he was tied and was going to sleep.” Additionally, the police report says, “DAT’s mother stated that DAT came in when Time Trax was on TV on Wednesday evening” (Time Trax started at 7:00 pm). DAT’s statement is confirmation that DWE’s initial statement is the more correct (http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/domteer.html).

On either May 12 or May 16, 1993, DWE’s mother, PH, gave a statement to BR and JS of the WMPD. The top of the transcript states 05/16/1993, but in the body of the statement, 05/12/1993 is given. Regardless of the date, she stated that she had taken DWE out to Lakeshore to CJB’s house and left him there “from 1 till 4.” DWE called her about 3:45 pm and asked her “to come and get him… at the laundry mat on Missouri Street with DAT…” She did, and dropped DAT off, getting back to their trailer by 4:00 pm. A short time later, she states the time was “… about ten [?] minutes after four…” And her recollection of the visit to the RS/SS house was that it took place at “… 6:30 or 6:00 Wednesday night, Wednesday afternoon…” They stayed about an hour, then went home and were in for the rest of the night. There were several phone calls; one from DWE’s grandmother, one to a girl in Bartlett, she wasn’t sure of the name, and then he talked with DAT later that night (http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/pamh1.html). PH’s statement confirms much of DWE’s statements.

May 17, 1993 saw SS confirming PH’s account with GB of the WMPD from her residence at 504 Balfour. “SS stated that on 5-5-93 between 6:30 and 7:00PM she left her residence and went to the Splash Casino in [Mississippi]. Her daughter StS told her that somewhere between 7:00PM and 7:15PM DWE and his mother showed up at her residence they stayed about 15 minutes and left. 2 days later DWE’s mother told her (SS) that the police would come by her house and ask her questions and told her to remember that her and DWE came to visit her on 5-5-93 that evening. Also told her that DWE didn’t kill those boys he was with her all night” (http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/susan1.html).

Neither CJB nor DWE talked to law enforcement after their arrests, but their families and lawyers established their alibis. By this point, however, it seemed that CJB’s and DWE’s alibis contradicted each other. Was this due to faulty memory, incorrectly phrased questions, WMPD malfeasance or some other reason?

What we can do with almost 100% certainty is to determine that on Wednesday, May 5, 1993, DWE and DAT were not seen by NH on the South Service Road in West Memphis at any time after dark. Also, from the statements of DWE, DAT, PH, and others, it appears that DWE was not at any time on May 5, 1993 in the Robin Hood Woods at any time before or after dark, especially at the times when the three boys were said to have been murdered. The initial time of early evening, DWE was with his family. The later time, early morning of May 6, 1993, it is most likely he was in bed at home. No matter what way you look at it, DWE was not guilty of a triple homicide. Which leads to the conclusion that CJB was not guilty, neither was JLM Jr. guilty. All of which begs THe question, just who was guilty of THis heinous crime?

Granted, this is only a cursory look at the timeline and alibi for DWE, but it should serve to show that the prosecution and LE in West Memphis were not interested in the truth, but in expedience. Everlasting shame on such a cop-out (pun not intended, or maybe it should be). Even though it is not too late to be able to get to the truth, it is harder thanks to their bumbling, obstruction, and narrow-minded tunnel vision.
 
Excellent, as always! I look forward to the timelines for CJB and JLM, Jr. IMO, it's important to remember that teenagers often can't put exact times on their actions. Adults are often more capable of doing that. Also, these teens would have no particular reason to remember specifically their actions on a day that had no significance to them. If they had been guilty of these horrendous murders, I would think that they would have established firm alibis. One suggestion, when looking at JLM, Jr.'s timeline, don't forget Louis Hoggard, a neighbor.
 
I just found out something rather interesting. Tom Cruise is going to be portraying Barry Seal in a movie set to come out next year called MENA!!! It's about a pilot who lands work smuggling drugs in the deep South during the 1980s... sound familiar to anyone?
 
I'm having trouble posting quotes atm.. getting that grey screen again, on anything but 'go advanced', what a pain.. anyway!

Just replying to zen's post re the shots heard and Bojangles man.

I've seen a lot of arguments against his potential connection to the crime, regarding this man as a suspect/witness to the murder. But he actually makes sense in your 'kids witness drug deal' scenario.

I've always thought about a guy in that condition heading for a very public place, using their facilities to clean up.. rather than washing off in the bayou or w/e. Seems a very panicked thing to do, maybe he was fleeing the scene when things went pear shaped, maybe some other person was killed by those shots and that's what the kids witnessed...

Your theory opens up so many avenues for discussion that imo too often get dismissed in favour of pedo theories (which also are valid), though I don't know why, considering the obvious level of drug trade and such going on the area. Plus, the fact that none of the kids were raped (though there are many ways to molest a child, as JKM pointed out...).

As for JKM's involvement, here's a thought. He focuses pretty much the whole of his police statement/interview on pedophiles. We know he's a skeezy liar and generally disgusting person. Who's to say he wasn't there to misdirect the investigation -away- from drug deals, as well as himself? It's always seemed very weird to me that he would offer the police so much information on himself and his nasty habits... though I have alternative motive theories for that, I've not thought about it in this context before.
 
I completely agree with Ausgirl, I can't take anything either AH or VH said seriously. I think she used her son's connection to the victims to insert herself into this case for reasons of ego and greed, and in doing so she had a mischievous effect on the whole affair.

She knew Jessie and bought him two bottles of Evan Williams. Didn't he babysit Aaron for her?
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jm_2_8_94_statement.html
 
She knew Jessie and bought him two bottles of Evan Williams. Didn't he babysit Aaron for her?
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jm_2_8_94_statement.html

Yes, her connection with Jessie Misskelley was one of the most corrupting aspects of the investigation. The police knew she'd used her friendship with Jessie to scrape contact with Damien, which is most likely why they pulled Jessie in to question. She also knew the victims parents, and according to Todd Moore, she was constantly round at their house after the murder pumping Dana Moore for information. I expect that's how Jessie knew that Michael was found separated from the other two.

Her entire influence on this case was mischievous and self serving. Between her and Jerry Driver they almost guaranteed that this case would end in a miscarriage of justice.
 
Yes, her connection with Jessie Misskelley was one of the most corrupting aspects of the investigation. The police knew she'd used her friendship with Jessie to scrape contact with Damien, which is most likely why they pulled Jessie in to question. She also knew the victims parents, and according to Todd Moore, she was constantly round at their house after the murder pumping Dana Moore for information. I expect that's how Jessie knew that Michael was found separated from the other two.

Her entire influence on this case was mischievous and self serving. Between her and Jerry Driver they almost guaranteed that this case would end in a miscarriage of justice.

But who allowed them to become "influences" in the first place? And why?

Driver had a hard-on for proving his teen-Satanists concerns valid. The guy was nutty about it, long before the murders. And his right hand man/lackey just happens to be right there with Mike Allen, on the spot, when the bodies are discovered, putting him and whatever he had to say about it firmly in the spotlight.


VH was in a great position to be manipulated, as she clearly was (as was AH also), into supporting Driver's POV, to the extent of both she and her son telling some incredibly obvious lies that nevertheless were pushed forward as evidence.

If we're looking into conspiracy ideas, the question of who allowed this nonsense to gain momentum (and why) becomes fascinating. Also, which police seemed to support the "WM3 as Satanists" notion, and which did not. I think there's lines that might be drawn from A to B somewhere in there, but sadly I don't have a lot of time to delve onto it myself presently.

I find this really interesting..

http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/aaronreport.html

Photo lineup of suspects.. including JKM.. but no Echols? Ridge has no idea whether Aaron ever viewed it? Anyone got more info on this, please?

also..

Before and after the murders in 1993, neighbors of the Byerses wondered about the “close” relationship John Mark Byers had with certain members of the West Memphis Police Department including Detectives Bryn Ridge, James Sudbury, Mike Allen, and Gary Gitchell. A few months after the murders, it was learned that John Mark Byers was working as a “drug informant” for the West Memphis Police Department.

http://www.midsouthjustice.com/informant.htm

+ Allen, Ridge & the uninvestigated UPS fraud... etc etc

stuff to ponder
 
Yes, her connection with Jessie Misskelley was one of the most corrupting aspects of the investigation. The police knew she'd used her friendship with Jessie to scrape contact with Damien, which is most likely why they pulled Jessie in to question. She also knew the victims parents, and according to Todd Moore, she was constantly round at their house after the murder pumping Dana Moore for information. I expect that's how Jessie knew that Michael was found separated from the other two.

Her entire influence on this case was mischievous and self serving. Between her and Jerry Driver they almost guaranteed that this case would end in a miscarriage of justice.

BBM

One thing I'm sure of is that the police (although they denied it) knew that Jessie was mentally challenged. IMO, that makes their interrogation of him without parent or attorney even more despicable! I'm convinced that they knew that they could make Jessie say what they wanted to hear - and they did!
 
Can one of you wonderful people help me with two questions surrounding a convoluted theory (shout-out hello to Goblin Keeper!) that I am working on.
1. Where can I find the list of which houses were vacant or just unoccupied on WE Catt Street around May 5, 1993?
2. Can luminol show blood spots even twenty years later?

Thank you in advance!
 

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