***GRAPHIC*** The Missing Head

[Donyale]

I think since LM made references to several movies, he probably hid the head in a jar in a car in the storage area like in the Silence of the Lambs.

 

[CuriousRus]

Did the torso in the suitcase come from any movie? I would guess this was probably brought up already, but I'm sadly guessing the head and the pup were in the bags he took out and were disposed of by the trash removers. Maybe in his mind, the head would reveal the victim too soon for his plan.

 

[Donyale]

Did the torso in the suitcase come from any movie? I would guess this was probably brought up already, but I'm sadly guessing the head and the pup were in the bags he took out and were disposed of by the trash removers. Maybe in his mind, the head would reveal the victim too soon for his plan.

I can't remember any movie that had a torso in a suitcase.... There was the canadian torso murder killer called Evelyn Dick who dumped a torso somewhere and also hid a suitcase with a mummified baby at home, but I don't know there is any reference, except the last name White, one of Luka's aliases was Rebecca White...
http://home.cogeco.ca/~mrcarle/evelyn.htm
Evelyn Dick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crimes with the missing head:
I found murder of Julia Martha Thomas and William Heirens 'the lipstick killer'. She cooked the head and hid in a near pub also packed the other body parts in boxes. The head was discovered more than 100years later. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Julia_Martha_Thomas#Murder_and_the_disposal_of_the_body

The other killer hid the victim's head (Suzanne Degnan) in the storm drain sewer that was in an alley a block away. He dismembered the body in a basement laundry, blood was found in the drains of all tubs...
William Heirens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[CuriousRus]

I wonder if anyone theorized that he sent the head to an old childhood abuser or just an abuser of his, who is also a criminal, who received the body part and never went to the police due to that person's own law breaking activity so he/she simply got rid of it in a panic.

 

[Haunted82]

I wonder if anyone theorized that he sent the head to an old childhood abuser or just an abuser of his, who is also a criminal, who received the body part and never went to the police due to that person's own law breaking activity so he/she simply got rid of it in a panic.

Possible. I've also been thinking the package may have been leaking so was just disposed of by the postal service (without them opening it ), or it was lost in transition.

 

[CARIIS]

I heard that story too YUK

 

[CARIIS]

I wonder if anyone theorized that he sent the head to an old childhood abuser or just an abuser of his, who is also a criminal, who received the body part and never went to the police due to that person's own law breaking activity so he/she simply got rid of it in a panic.

Interesting

 

[CARIIS]

Can somebody tell me how the garbage system works in the area where LM lived? I would like to know if it would have been possible for LE to find the ‘garbage’ that LM put outside after the murder and that was collected. I’ve read that they searched at the garbage disposel site for 16 or 18 hours but they didn’t find his head.

Im asking this bec if it was possibility for LE to track the ‘garbage’ down before it was destroyed, incinarated (don’t know how to spell it, but burned completely), it just wasn’t there. Then it didn’t go there.

If they were to late, it leaves the question open if it went there.

Ps I cant research it myself on the internet at the moment bec my laptop passed away last weekend. Had to get my ‘vintage’ Mac Os out of the closet, but it isnt compatable with all the new software, browser stuff etc... Feels like ‘90s internet all over again...

bec my laptop passed away last weekend.

That is priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[otto]

The thread title sure is grim: The Missing Head.

Is there really any mystery about what happened to the head?
It was most likely left on the sidewalk in a box next to the suitcase ... the difference being that garbage pickup left the suitcase behind.

I don't believe that Eric Newman expected to get caught. If garbage picked had collected the suitcase, it would have taken some time to connect Lin Jun with Eric Newman. I think it was Eric's intention to make the head disappear with the torso, but he couldn't fit it all into one package.

It sounds gruesome, but I think Eric planned what he would send and disposed of the rest in a very strange way ... wasn't there a leg in the fridge?

 

[Sunday]

:gasp:

My sentiment exactly!

 

[randomdiet]

I was wondering if it is possible for LM to have hidden the victim's head in charity/donation related venues such as Clothing Donation Bins, or boxes given to toy drives/canned food drives?

All the communities I've been to before have had a fair number of clothing bins distributed around local areas. I think (as someone who is not familiar with how these donation process works) that the boxes or the bags collected may sometimes sit for awhile before being processed.

What do the other seasoned members think? Does it sound logically possible in LM's case?

 

[randomdiet]

I wonder if anyone theorized that he sent the head to an old childhood abuser or just an abuser of his, who is also a criminal, who received the body part and never went to the police due to that person's own law breaking activity so he/she simply got rid of it in a panic.

I was thinking about these kind of scenarios too, however assuming that LM's sole mission was after celebrity and recognition, mailing Lin's head to an old abuser (individual) would be quite a low-profile (ineffective) choice compared to his other four mailing destinations.

Since it is relatively low profile, sending Lin's head to a person to me would have meant LM puts the value of the chosen destination not in disturbing or shocking people but on why he is the way he is.

Assuming that he wants to tell the story (of his real or imagined "tragic" past) by sending Lin's head to his past "abusers" then I feel he should also have a strong incentive to want it to be found eventually, so much so he would cooperate with the police soon after the other 4 parts are discovered, so he can follow up with his story.

However, by now not only have him refused to tell the police where Lin's head is, his trio of lawyers have decided everything will stay mum until the trial begins next year. I don't know how to make of it so far. @@

 

[Sunday]

I think it is very black and white. Either he ditched the head with the torso hoping that it would disappear, or it was more important and purposeful like the appendages, in which case it was also sent someplace meaningful, or it was given to someone for safer keeping. I still hold to my theory that it is with its intended owner (i.e., whoever paid him to make the video in the first place).

 

[randomdiet]

I think it is very black and white. Either he ditched the head with the torso hoping that it would disappear, or it was more important and purposeful like the appendages, in which case it was also sent someplace meaningful, or it was given to someone for safer keeping. I still hold to my theory that it is with its intended owner (i.e., whoever paid him to make the video in the first place).

I agree it is black and white like that. As to that Lin's head is with its intended owner though, I actually think it is very likely too, but have you thought about the kind of person that would do this kind of dealing with LM?

Suppose someone actually commissioned LM to make the snuff film, that buyer ought to know the serious nature of this business transaction. The stakes will be very high if the buyer's cover is blown. This will require extreme trustworthiness on LM's part to not to rat him/her out when **** hits the fan as it had now. Thus my feeling that a transaction like this was unlikely because simply put: LM's history and backgrounds do not suggest trustworthiness:

Financial: bankruptcy, large sums of money owing, credit card/identity fraud
Personal: creation of 70+ facebook accounts to misrepresent himself, for example
Family: severed family ties, dissent against family members, anonymous aunt: "sick...he has delusions of grandeur..."
Career: Seasonal, unstable income

I think if someone were to partake in such an atrocious and serious business transaction, he/she would want extreme discretion which LM does not seem to have. He/she would also have done the risk assessment and perhaps have something of importance to hold hostage against LM in case of betrayal. But looking at LM - he has little of anything to lose. In fact, he probably would betray in a heartbeat if things are not turning out well.

I know I am possibly projecting too much here, but having just ended a rather personally devastating dealing with a person who fit all of the criteria of the DSM-V narcissism diagnosis criteria, I feel anyone choosing to put his/her trust in a known narcissist is ridiculously out of their mind. And someone who dared to commission such a serious crime, knowing its risk to go public like this, are probably not the reckless type.

ergo I think the existence of a person who directed LM to do this is unlikely. However, it is very possible that Lin's head is in the hands of someone who wants it for perverted reasons. One'd never know just what kind of network LM had built and people he had come in contact with during his career as a low-end escort among others.

 

[Scientific]

This scenario is unlikely because it adds an element of uncertainty whereas Luka sought control and attention when it came to the handling of body parts. Also, assuming that the head was unwrapped for the most part, the stench would be incredible. He most likely mailed the head somewhere.

Ugh, this is making my stomach turn just to type about. How gruesome.

I was wondering if it is possible for LM to have hidden the victim's head in charity/donation related venues such as Clothing Donation Bins, or boxes given to toy drives/canned food drives?

All the communities I've been to before have had a fair number of clothing bins distributed around local areas. I think (as someone who is not familiar with how these donation process works) that the boxes or the bags collected may sometimes sit for awhile before being processed.

What do the other seasoned members think? Does it sound logically possible in LM's case?

 

[GoBrewers]

After waking up to another trainrun close to my home, the thought occured to me that there has to be a possibility of him meeeting someone by way of the train, and if he included a usb/dvd of the 15 minute version, as more than one person have stated the beginning includes the body moving slightly and that gives reason to there being a time cut between the slight movements and the recovering of the face after. He could meet with someone via way of trains or other mostly untraceable ways. This way, the person who most likely supported this act (the longer version) could be interested in having the trophy people have discussed, and would give more reasoning to Luka wanting fame but most likely not having cash to just freely fly around and travel extensively with cash on hand. (no idea how much, but i would assume it would have been stated if he was traced by credit, and i haven't seen that so far at all)

We know the cctv will show how large the bags are, and most likely how many packages were shipped at the one time, and hopefully police know already, but speculation is what is keeping me so interested in what happened. I should have typed it out before trying to sleep because my brain is still all rambled from reading the post on Hostel and this immediately before bed last night.

 

[Justme84]

We really can't assume much. If all the transaction was online
LM didn't have to know ANYTHING about the
other person. He just had to send it through One of
the deep net transaction services. I don't believe
that this is what happened but it's not an impossibility
due to discretion.

I believe that either he sent it somewhere to
horrify someone and something happened along the way
with it, such as the postal worker who was supposed to
deliver it thought it was a dead animal
and threw it away without mentioning it to anyone
then was ashamed to admit they didn't report it, or didn't put 2 and 2 together.

OR
He has it somewhere as a bargaining chip.

 

[Sunday]

I agree it is black and white like that. As to that Lin's head is with its intended owner though, I actually think it is very likely too, but have you thought about the kind of person that would do this kind of dealing with LM?

Suppose someone actually commissioned LM to make the snuff film, that buyer ought to know the serious nature of this business transaction. The stakes will be very high if the buyer's cover is blown. This will require extreme trustworthiness on LM's part to not to rat him/her out when **** hits the fan as it had now. Thus my feeling that a transaction like this was unlikely because simply put: LM's history and backgrounds do not suggest trustworthiness:

Financial: bankruptcy, large sums of money owing, credit card/identity fraud
Personal: creation of 70+ facebook accounts to misrepresent himself, for example
Family: severed family ties, dissent against family members, anonymous aunt: "sick...he has delusions of grandeur..."
Career: Seasonal, unstable income

I think if someone were to partake in such an atrocious and serious business transaction, he/she would want extreme discretion which LM does not seem to have. He/she would also have done the risk assessment and perhaps have something of importance to hold hostage against LM in case of betrayal. But looking at LM - he has little of anything to lose. In fact, he probably would betray in a heartbeat if things are not turning out well.

I know I am possibly projecting too much here, but having just ended a rather personally devastating dealing with a person who fit all of the criteria of the DSM-V narcissism diagnosis criteria, I feel anyone choosing to put his/her trust in a known narcissist is ridiculously out of their mind. And someone who dared to commission such a serious crime, knowing its risk to go public like this, are probably not the reckless type.

ergo I think the existence of a person who directed LM to do this is unlikely. However, it is very possible that Lin's head is in the hands of someone who wants it for perverted reasons. One'd never know just what kind of network LM had built and people he had come in contact with during his career as a low-end escort among others.

Great reasoning! Someone did mention deep web transactions, which is plausible if such a thing exists. Anyone who would pay for a snuff film plus an accompanying token would be an inherent risk taker and adrenaline junky. I don't think they'd need to necessarily trust the filmmaker. I mean, could you ever trust anyone willing to make a snuff film in the first place? Even if it was your own mother you'd be weary somewhere deep inside. A person whacked enough to entertain this idea is whacked enough to get off on the risk.

 

[CuriousRus]

Im just playing armchair detective here, but....What was the packaging like for the other mailings? If it was a specific type of box or styrofoam, maybe it can be determined where he purchased it, and, if so, security cameras could be checked for the store and with times tracked and receipts checked. Then LE could figure out all items he bought that day. I'm guessing it was a hardware store and there were other tools he purchased to do the deed. I wonder how close the closest hardware store is to his home. That might be a good start.

 

[randomdiet]

Thanks Sunday and Justme. I hope (if this is the case) that the person who commissioned the snuff be dragged out too by the end of it.

I have a thought: Would it be useful, in this case, to offer monetary rewards to viable links to locating Lin's head and/or to turning his head in - with no potential legal penalty.

Animal rights activists placed a 5,000 USD reward on LM in relation to the kitten killings, which reportedly had such an effect on LM that he scurried to a lawyer from Montana with the mythological Manny excuse, hoping to shift the responsibility. Perhaps they were able to get this close to him (?) due to this strategy?

If Lin's head was turned over to another person or if it were the postal workers who threw it away, would monetary rewards and (not sure if this is possible) no responsibility be a viable incentive for they to spill the beans?