Halyna Hutchins Shot With Prop Gun - Alec Baldwin indicted & Hannah Gutierrez-Reed charged, 2021 #6

[BeckyF]

Alec Baldwin discharged gun in incident that killed cinematographer

A helicopter transported cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, to the University of New Mexico Hospital, where she was pronounced dead by medical personnel, according to the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office. The director, 42-year-old Joel Souza, was transported via ambulance to Christus St. Vincent’s hospital and is receiving emergency treatment for his injuries.

"According to investigators it appears that the scene being filmed involved the use of a prop firearm when it was discharged," a release from the sheriff's office said. "Detectives are investigating how and what type of projectile was discharged."

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[Tiff23fr]

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[Sillybilly]

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[YaYa_521]

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[clearskies1]

@steeltowngirl -- not sure how to reply from the prior thread but re this statement: "But wait. HG-R took the gun to the church and handed it to Halls. She knew they were rehearsing, yet she still left". Do you have a link saying that she knew they were rehearsing? The article that I posted says she claims that she did not know AB was rehearsing drawing his gun:

BBM:

"[She] also said that, in the minutes before the shooting, she left the church where filming was taking place to comply with COVID-19 protocols and to attend to other props. She said she didn't know Baldwin was inside rehearsing drawing his gun. Gutierrez Reed said that if she were in the church at the time, she would have told Baldwin not to point the gun at Hutchins, a typical safety measure for the use of guns on film sets."

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072...-ammo-supplier-over-the-deadly-on-set-shootin

 

[steeltowngirl]

@steeltowngirl -- not sure how to reply from the prior thread but re this statement: "But wait. HG-R took the gun to the church and handed it to Halls. She knew they were rehearsing, yet she still left". Do you have a link saying that she knew they were rehearsing? The article that I posted says she claims that she did not know AB was rehearsing drawing his gun:

BBM:

"[She] also said that, in the minutes before the shooting, she left the church where filming was taking place to comply with COVID-19 protocols and to attend to other props. She said she didn't know Baldwin was inside rehearsing drawing his gun. Gutierrez Reed said that if she were in the church at the time, she would have told Baldwin not to point the gun at Hutchins, a typical safety measure for the use of guns on film sets."

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072...-ammo-supplier-over-the-deadly-on-set-shootin

Hi @clearskies1

This is a snip from the Vanity Fair article. In fairness, it doesn’t directly say she knew AB was rehearsing and drawing the gun. But my thought is she left a loaded gun with them on set. Was she responsible to stay with the gun? Or were the set people responsible to go get her when they were ready to rehearse?

After cleaning the cylinder to make the sixth round fit, Gutierrez Reed hurried the Colt .45 to the weathered wooden church set, her attorney says, and presented it to assistant director Dave Halls: “She then spins the cylinder for him, showing him it’s got six rounds in it, and hands it to him. He said, ‘Okay.’ She then leaves the church. She did not take them out and shake them again for Halls,” Bowles adds. “But she had done that before lunch.”

Of course, that was before she added the final round.

“This Cannot Be Right”: How the Gun in Alec Baldwin’s Hands Turned the ‘Rust’ Set Deadly

Five errors contributed to cinematographer Halyna Hutchins’s death. Inside the investigation into a fatal accident that’s shaken the film industry—and sent the district attorney on a quest for answers.

www.vanityfair.com

 

[NeverPersonal]

I dont like Alec Baldwin as a person. Good actor though. However, I really don't feel this is his fault. I've read everything I can get my hands on and everything points to the people responsible for setting up the scene.
MOO

 

[RANCH]

I dont like Alec Baldwin as a person. Good actor though. However, I really don't feel this is his fault. I've read everything I can get my hands on and everything points to the people responsible for setting up the scene.
MOO

If this goes to trial the defense will try it's best to seat people with a similar viewpoint. JMO.

 

[Alethea]

I dont like Alec Baldwin as a person. Good actor though. However, I really don't feel this is his fault. I've read everything I can get my hands on and everything points to the people responsible for setting up the scene.
MOO

<modsnip> Guns are so dangerous I think they will be able to prove it was reckless and negligent to not have checked before pointing it. JMO though!

 

[NeverPersonal]

<modsnip> Guns are so dangerous I think they will be able to prove it was reckless and negligent to not have checked before pointing it. JMO though!

IIRC, didn't the people responsible for teaching actors on set about gun safety, drop the whole ball on that too?

 

[mickey2942]

If this goes to trial the defense will try it's best to seat people with a similar viewpoint. JMO.

So, what would the "perfect" demographic for AB's jury? I really don't know here.
Men or women? Maybe women?
Age range? Younger, I think.
Race? Probably more white.
Higher SES, because I don't see him getting much sympathy from lower SES.

AB has probably never served on a jury, and would have probably done everything to get out of it if he had received a summons. Because he is "so important". Great irony that he will be hoping he gets people who won't be able to get out of jury duty.

I wonder if he can request a bench trial, would that be better for him?

 

[steeltowngirl]

So, what would the "perfect" demographic for AB's jury? I really don't know here.
Men or women? Maybe women?
Age range? Younger, I think.
Race? Probably more white.
Higher SES, because I don't see him getting much sympathy from lower SES.

AB has probably never served on a jury, and would have probably done everything to get out of it if he had received a summons. Because he is "so important". Great irony that he will be hoping he gets people who won't be able to get out of jury duty.

I wonder if he can request a bench trial, would that be better for him?

Looks like his 1996 trial, was in front of a jury of mostly women.

Zanger, a self-described celebrity stakeout specialist, protested that the eight-woman, four-man jury was swayed by Baldwin’s glamour, despite juror statements that they ignored it.

“He’s smooth,” the photographer said in a phone interview. “He appealed to the jury. He’s an actor.”

Jury Acquits Alec Baldwin of Battering Photographer

Actor Alec Baldwin was acquitted Friday of misdemeanor battery charges by a jury which accepted that he acted in self-defense when he struck a celebrity photographer trying to videotape his wife and newborn child, allegedly breaking the man's nose.

www.latimes.com

 

[branmuffin]

<modsnip - quoted post removed - discussion of future legislation is off limits>

I was reading about workplace safety sites and the regulations that are required by OSHA, the federal site that was created in 1970 to ensure safe work sites by setting and enforcing standards. Those safety regulations are everywhere: construction sites, meat packing industries, mining, you name it. Except for movies sets. See link:

Safety on set: What you should know, and what you can do

The tragic shooting on the "Rust" set is a reminder of the risks faced by the people who make films and TV shows. Here's a rundown of the common safety procedures and the help available to cast and crew members who see problems.

www.latimes.com

My personal opinion is a lot of the regulations or lack thereof stems from a lack of will from federal and state organizations that should oversee these types of situations. It's easier to point the finger to some hapless individual rather than enforce regulations through onsite inspections. Based on the lack of oversight it seems that everyone and nobody could be responsible for this tragedy. <modsnip - not victim friendly>

 

[RANCH]

<modsnip - quoted post removed - discussion of future legislation is off limits>

I was reading about workplace safety sites and the regulations that are required by OSHA, the federal site that was created in 1970 to ensure safe work sites by setting and enforcing standards. Those safety regulations are everywhere: construction sites, meat packing industries, mining, you name it. Except for movies sets. See link:

Safety on set: What you should know, and what you can do

The tragic shooting on the "Rust" set is a reminder of the risks faced by the people who make films and TV shows. Here's a rundown of the common safety procedures and the help available to cast and crew members who see problems.

www.latimes.com

My personal opinion is a lot of the regulations or lack thereof stems from a lack of will from federal and state organizations that should oversee these types of situations. It's easier to point the finger to some hapless individual rather than enforce regulations through onsite inspections. Based on the lack of oversite it seems that everyone and nobody could be responsible for this tragedy. <modsnip - not victim friendly>

Is there a lack of government regulations for a case like this?

 

[branmuffin]

So, what would the "perfect" demographic for AB's jury? I really don't know here.
Men or women? Maybe women?
Age range? Younger, I think.
Race? Probably more white.
Higher SES, because I don't see him getting much sympathy from lower SES.

AB has probably never served on a jury, and would have probably done everything to get out of it if he had received a summons. Because he is "so important". Great irony that he will be hoping he gets people who won't be able to get out of jury duty.

I wonder if he can request a bench trial, would that be better for him?

I think someone like Alec Baldwin serving on a jury would be a distraction. I don't think it has anything to do with his own importance. Both lawyers for the defense and the prosecution would probably dismiss him during the peremptory challenge part of voir dire. Brad Pitt was rejected as a potential juror in 2015. He was deemed a distraction.

 

[Laughing]

I wonder if he can request a bench trial, would that be better for him?

rsbm bbm

My family is New Mexican, Granddaddy was in the Park Service, residing in Santa Fe since the early 1950's.

imho, AB would benefit from a bench trial -- considering his behavior since this horrific incident, how will he conduct himself in the courtroom?

As an entitled, privileged holier-than-thou <modsnip - potentially offensive>?

Not a popular image in New Mexico, nope.

<modsnip>

jmho

 

[SteveS]

IIRC, didn't the people responsible for teaching actors on set about gun safety, drop the whole ball on that too?

You're right - and the general idea that there were a lot of people who were lax in this situation seems to fit what we are hearing about what happened.

I think the DA decided to simply focus on those MOST culpable - which would be the one who held, aimed, and shot a person to death (AB), and the one whose general responsibility was to keep something like that from happening (HGR). Those are the ones to hold accountable.

A person died BY THEIR COMBINED CARELESSNESS. Another was shot and injured BY THEIR COMBINED CARELESSNESS. They are charged with doing it accidentally (which is fair) but nevertheless not taking a reasonable amount of care to keep it from happening. We can't say "not guilty" because they didn't mean to - as they aren't charged with meaning to do it.

This isn't a minor matter that you shrug and walk away imo. They together KILLED someone.

The death wouldn't have happened without BOTH of them being incredibly reckless in regards to protecting human life. Which means they can't lay the blame on the other (and more) in a way to absolve themself, even if they are both trying to do so.

 

[branmuffin]

Is there a lack of government regulations for a case like this?

You mean before or after an accident?

 

[RANCH]

You mean before or after an accident?

Before and right now. Specifically what is lacking in current government regulations that relate to this case.

 

[Luna20]

You're right - and the general idea that there were a lot of people who were lax in this situation seems to fit what we are hearing about what happened.

I think the DA decided to simply focus on those MOST culpable - which would be the one who held, aimed, and shot a person to death (AB), and the one whose general responsibility was to keep something like that from happening (HGR). Those are the ones to hold accountable.

A person died BY THEIR COMBINED CARELESSNESS. Another was shot and injured BY THEIR COMBINED CARELESSNESS. They are charged with doing it accidentally (which is fair) but nevertheless not taking a reasonable amount of care to keep it from happening. We can't say "not guilty" because they didn't mean to - as they aren't charged with meaning to do it.

This isn't a minor matter that you shrug and walk away imo. They together KILLED someone.

The death wouldn't have happened without BOTH of them being incredibly reckless in regards to protecting human life. Which means they can't lay the blame on the other (and more) in a way to absolve themself, even if they are both trying to do so.

Agree 100%. I don’t know of anyone saying they did it on purpose but is being reckless an accident when you know better? If we accidentally drink and drive, resulting in the death of someone that’s not an accident. It’s the consequences of reckless actions, and/or in-action.