How and where did George and Margaret meet?

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  1. Julessleuther

    Julessleuther New Member

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    I hope I am not out of line starting a new thread, and I apologize if this is already discussed, but if we can find out exactly how and where they met, we might have more of a clue of who George is?


    1. Where did they meet?

    2. What year did they start living together?

    3. Did he meet her at Letterman? Was he a soldier? A Dr?
     
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  3. Annasmom

    Annasmom Active Member

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    This older post by Doogie has a little information.
    A-HA!!!

    I have uncovered additional information about George Brody. I can now place him living in Oakland as early as 1936 from the Voter Register records, near where the safe deposit box was uncovered. And to be a registered voter in 1936, he would have needed to be at least 21 years old, which makes his birth year - at the latest - 1915 (not 1923 as claimed).

    He lists his profession as "salesman" in 1936. He then lists his profession as "Jr. Research Assistant" from 1938 through Novermber of 1944. Based on this, we can assume that he did not serve in the military during World War II. Also, Margaret Kukoda is not listed as living at the same addresses as Brody, so they must have met later. This also eliminates the possibility that Brody came west with Margaret during the War and that they knew each other in Pennsylvania.

    One point for anyone who wants to follow up on this: there is a second George Brody who was living in San Francisco during roughly this same time period. His wife's name is Margaret, but they are not our Brody and Kukoda - this Margaret is twenty years older than Kukoda and was living in San Francisco when Kukoda was still in Pennsylvania. Just to make matters more confusing, both Margaret's were born in New Jersey. ARRGGHH!!!
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  4. Dr. Doogie

    Dr. Doogie New Member

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    Sorry for the delay in responding to your questions, Julessleuther.

    Since Brody was in CA since (at least) 1936, they must have met in the Bay Area after she arrived in 1942.

    I believe that the landlord's relative said that they had lived together since at least the early 1960's.

    Since Brody was not in the military during the war and did not list his profession as a doctor or a nurse, my suspicion is that they did not meet through her work. Based on his later behaviors, they may have met at a coffee shop, but that is pure speculation.
     
  5. Julessleuther

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    Thank you Annasmom and Doogie. I will run with this... :) Am I allowed to take all info found on Margaret from the other threads and add it here, so we have one source for all Margaret and George in one spot? Meaning, all info on Margaret, and all info on Margaret and George together?
     
  6. Dr. Doogie

    Dr. Doogie New Member

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    Absolutely!

    When posting information about Margaret, it is important that we only post known facts about her, not speculation unless it is clearly noted as such and is reasonable. This is because she does have living relatives who are aware of our site and it would be improper to post baseless and hurtful theories without justification. Just use your best judgement.
     
  7. Julessleuther

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    Ok, absolutely!

     
  8. iNTERESTEDWOMAN

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    Jules, I have a TON of information on MK and her family history. If you are looking for something specific in regards to her "roots" let me know, I probably have the info. Also, in the US census, there were several variations of her last name over the years, In 1930 most of the family was going by Kukoda, but a couple of brothers were going by another variation, (spelling).
     
  9. Julessleuther

    Julessleuther New Member

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    I think I am looking for specific information from the time she arrived into San Francisco until the time she died. I am trying to pinpoint where and how she and George B met. If we can get to that point, we might be able to trace back from there for George. Any info you can give me will be SO appreciative. You can PM me if you want. Thank you!!

     
  10. raf

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    Hi all,
    for first thing I'm sorry for my bad english... so please to accept my apologies...
    Following my own idea abt this case in other thread, however, because in this story it is also Margaret Kukoda name, I made a little search.
    I found a very interesting record, and I believe that could be abt right Margaret Kukoda of this case.
    Please to see this article:
    Poughkeepsie NY Evening Star and Enterprise 1939 - 1512 with picture
    and this 1940
    and of 1941
    any suggestion?
    Regards, raf
     
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    Wow Raf!!!!! I think you found Russell!!! The 1941 article list a name of Russell DeVor.
     
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    SherlockJr New Member

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    Your English is good, Raf. Thank you very much for this valuable information.
    Please tell us about your idea about this case in the other thread.
     
  14. raf

    raf New Member

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    Hi, thanks for kind words... I know not if this Russell is the same friend of Margaret; however this Russell DeVor (Russell Arthur DeVor) was in Poughkeepsie NY around 1927/1941 sure; son of Charles A and Eveline DeVor... (source)
    also I see a good resemblance abt Margaret Kukoda in the picture of article and last Margaret Kukoda picture
    I believe is she... It seems that was a brilliant girl, so different from Margaret Kukoda in the last part of life...

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    Thanks to all, raf

    PS: in other forum on this website, thinking that the passport of man that I found of New York (Manhattan), having a good resemblance with GB


    this man having some coincidence with GB... I know that he had some relation with Fordham University in NYC, and in this University in the:
    1912-Jung to Fordham University of New York
    Carl G. Jung on Astrology
    We are born at a given moment in a given place and like vintage years of wine we have the qualities of the year and of the season in which we are born. - C.G.Jung
    and abt the numerology in 1929:
    There is really a curious coincidence between astrological and psychological facts, so that one can isolate time from the characteristics of an individual, and also, one can deduce characteristics from a certain time. Therefore we have to conclude that what we call psychological motives are in a way identical with star positions . . . We must form a peculiar hypothesis. This hypothesis says that the dynamics of our psyche is not just identical with the position of the stars . . . better to assume that it is a phenomenon of time - Carl G. Jung in 1929
    and other points that let me thinking... so I was searching if Margaret Kukoda also was in NY state in some year of her life, and now I believe that I found... Margaret was a nurse... this man made many trips for health... so I wish to search more... I know not if this man was in some politic arrangement or so... but he was of rich family of irish heritage, he never worked, never married, also if I think that he had a woman... he made so much of intentional confusion abt him birthdate...and for this I suspect... from what I read on Box in the Hell, it seem as a man that wish seeming more young, maybe with GW identity... also I suspect that this man of good and rich family, he found no 1 withness for second passport that was expired... strange.. no the brother, no the sister, no nobody able to make as witness for him passport? strange, but equally he travelled in 1929... I cannot find the 3° passport if he had it!

    I'm searching in my free time... I cannot find it in 1930 census, better: I found the census abt last him address in 1929, but he is not... it is a woman with him surname declaring married ( on 1929 the man was single) and with 2 children with man surname... it are so much discrepances... however searching and searching ... God will help us..
     
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    Raf, you are really good at this. Thank you so much for sharing this information.
     
  16. SherlockJr

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    Doing a quick search for Jung on WS, this is what comes up...

     
  17. raf

    raf New Member

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    Hi SherlockJr good work!
    I read all now!
    Thank you, best regards, raf
     
  18. Dr. Doogie

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    RAF:

    Excellent work. The one thing that I did see though is the composite pictures of Margaret including the one with the man on the table could not be her. It was from the late 1950's and Margaret had lost her nurses license in the early 1950's.
     
  19. raf

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    Right mr Doogie...
    maybe the year picture is incorrect...by face seeming she... but as you saying cannot be she... regards, raf
     
  20. Annasmom

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    Didn't we establish the fact that Margaret worked at Letterman? Possibly the date on the picture IS wrong, since the photograph certainly looks like the young Margaret.
     
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    Thinking that perhaps the photo of MK posted by raf may be an archieved photo. Looks like credit was given to US Army.
    I do not know where the photo came from, but was just reading up on Letterman and it's history. The name change to Letterman General did not occur until 1960.
    There are a lot of footnotes in this article sighting the hospital paper 'The Horn".
    I truely believe it could be an old phot perhaps in a 1959 publication. This happens all the time when pics are 5, 10 years old and just reprinted if it i the only (or best) picture of something they are trying to demonstrate.


    http://www.nps.gov/archive/goga/prsf/history/hrs/thompson/tt11.pdf

    info on page 28.

    Pls forgive my english also. Non native speaker over here in Norway where it i almost 2am--like in Italy.

    raf- would love to get link of the photo of the nurse next to man on tilted bed.
    thanks all.
     

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