ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 71

[steeltowngirl]

Just his car.

Retracing Bryan Kohberger's alleged route on night of Idaho murders

DailyMail.com drove the route police claim Idaho murder suspect, Bryan Kohberger, took to and from the quadruple homicide home on November 13.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"According to police, suspect Kohberger's phone went off the grid at approximately 2.45am near his Washington State University apartment at a location just before reaching Pullman-Moscow Highway (Route 270), the main thoroughfare between the two cities."

So his stolen car and cell phone would have had to become separated at 2:45 am, then later reunited and both returned back to his apartment.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

So his stolen car and cell phone would have had to become separated at 2:45 am, then later reunited and both returned back to his apartment.

Yeah, that was a misstep on his part. Had he left his cell phone on and at home, it might have confused a jury. MOO.

 

[ilovewings]

He can't claim that his car and phone were stolen because he would have reported them stolen, likely before the murders were even discovered because they weren't discovered until noon. And If this was the case I don't think he would be sitting in jail right now.
Plus he could claim his knife was in the car, he was framed.

Yes he could give his alibi as having just been in his car driving all night but his car would be captured on many cameras that people have with a street view. It's impossible to drive for hours and not be caught on camera. He gives them the route he drove and cameras verify it and he has his alibi.



Exactly what happened in the Ohio murder case where a family of 4 killed 8 members of another family over child custody.

The innocent brother and sister of the victims discovered the crime scenes and were harassed for months by LE asking " how much were you paid to kill your family?" They gave multiple lie detector tests to them and when the brother failed it they put a GPS tracker on his truck. He discovered it and not knowing who was tracking him, he broke it so they arrested him. Charges were dismissed not long after. Plus, the real killers were claiming these relatives killed them for insurance money, even trying to get people to call this fake "tip" into the police tip hot line.

I've decided if I find a dead body- I wouldn't call it in- just keep on walkin'
--LOL- seriously if you come across a crime scene you are the first person who gets grilled and suspected for committing the crime- Once in a while it is the case, more often than not, it is not the case.

 

[acutename]

I was trying to think of what evidence would prove he didn't do it. He lived alone, so no one could say he was home, no alibi there. It's unlikely he can use cell or video evidence to prove he wasn't there. He can't prove he didn't buy a knife. He can't prove that he never went to Moscow. He doesn't have to testify, so they can't trip him there. I just can't think of what he would use to prove his innocence. this does not mean there isn't any. I just can't think of what it would be. jmo idk jmo

The state has the burden of proof, and if the defense plans to attack/diminish/dispute the state's evidence, whether it be phone ping or vegan pizza receipts, all that evidence will come from the state imo jmo. It’s pretty difficult to prove a negative. Maybe the defense is just going to shut down the prosecution evidence with a goal of creating reasonable doubt.

idk, just not sure what BK could do to prove his innocence. I look forward to hearing other thoughts on this.

he has to find the real killer(s)

 

[gremlin444]

Just his car.

Retracing Bryan Kohberger's alleged route on night of Idaho murders

DailyMail.com drove the route police claim Idaho murder suspect, Bryan Kohberger, took to and from the quadruple homicide home on November 13.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"According to police, suspect Kohberger's phone went off the grid at approximately 2.45am near his Washington State University apartment at a location just before reaching Pullman-Moscow Highway (Route 270), the main thoroughfare between the two cities."

Except according to the PCA, his phone suddenly pinged on a tower south of Moscow at 4:48 a.m.near Blaine, Idaho and continued to ping at various towers for the next 45 min such as Genessee, ID, Uniontown, ID, and then back at Pullman. The Pullman ping coincided with cameras showing the white sedan coming back onto WSU campus. So, he can't claim that his phone was home all night.

 

[detectivewannab]

I've decided if I find a dead body- I wouldn't call it in- just keep on walkin'
--LOL- seriously if you come across a crime scene you are the first person who gets grilled and suspected for committing the crime- Once in a while it is the case, more often than not, it is not the case.

They have so much on him. I think he will plea.

 

[acutename]

Totally agree that Bryan may have stalked the girls from their work to their home after their shifts.

This is a common stalker tactic, and I recommend that young people* (if possible) should not take jobs where they stay late, close up by themselves, or walk unescorted to their cars after dark.

*Edit to add: Young people, and women of any age (since about 50% of minimum wage workers are over 25)

yes except he could have followed them home at any time- at 8 a.m. or at 12 noon, and he attacked them in their home, so it was irrelevant in this case, when their work shifts ended, IMO

 

[acutename]

MOO, but AFAIK, this is only for UI students who have prepaid dining plans. Yes, they check.
Dining | Housing & Residence Life | University of Idaho

Again, MOO!

I did read about this dining hall system...usually in the dear dead days beyond recall when I was in a campus dining hall, there were some ways for guests (visitors, guests, alums, parents) to purchase meal items... but I did not see anything on their web site about that.

I did see this :

Dine On Campus

Find what's open, what's on the menu, nutritional information and more.

dineoncampus.com

which if you read the FAQs about "don't they get stolen," it made me think that the campus has more cameras, devices, systems, than we might have thought

 

[Sundog]

imo jmo, but that's exactly what an intelligent person would do, regardless of guilt or innocence. jmo imo If LE started out with how's your day going?, I'd answer. As soon as they flipped to asking about murder, I'd ask for an attorney. And with his education, it looks like the is the one thing that sunk in. I wonder when they mirandized him?

BK's attorney in PA said that BK spoke voluntarily to LE for a little while before he asked for an attorney. The PA attorney said that BK didn't remember what he told LE during this time, before asking for an attorney.

 

[ktm44]

Serious question. Would he not be stalking in order to know the house had ideal location for his plan?

If I’m not mistaken, the legal definition of stalking involves people not a structure but they may be something one of our lawyers can answer.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Is the food court in the student union the Idaho Eats dining hall?

I don't know if it's the actual dining hall, but if you look up the Student Union building on google maps, you can see a Chik Fil A Express very close in proximity (same building complex?). I went to click on that, looked at some of the pictures and it does seem to be situated in a food court, there is a Vandals Dining sign right next-door to it (one of the main dining Hall food options).

Link to a google picture of the foodcourt near or inside Student Union building

I'm confused though, because if you scroll through ALL of the pics, there is a counter sandwiched right between a QDoba and True Burger which are definitely other dining hall options. Plus there is a pic of more seating. I am beginning to wonder if it IS the main dining hall?

 

[Cool Cats]

I've decided if I find a dead body- I wouldn't call it in- just keep on walkin'
--LOL- seriously if you come across a crime scene you are the first person who gets grilled and suspected for committing the crime- Once in a while it is the case, more often than not, it is not the case.

Yup.

And Wings, don't do away with your spouse! You'll be the first suspect.

If you come across a dead body in the woods and report it and you have no connection to it, you won't be suspected as highly as a person who reports it but does have a connection, especially a close connection.

Most murders are committed by a person who knows the victim and has interacted with the victim. Most are not strangers killing strangers.

It is so scary when a complete stranger stalks someone. This unknown person watching you like they are hunting you as prey.

LE and prosecutors do think BK planned this all out, stalking his victims, not a random last minute thing.

These Moscow murders raise hairs on the back of our heads. We demand to know ... WHY? WHY?

 

[Strong1]

Fox News story on recent appeal by Goncalves family to drop gag order.

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Idaho murders update: Kaylee Goncalves' family lawyer appeals gag order in Bryan Kohberger case

The attorney for Kaylee Goncalves' family has filed an appeal against a Latah County judge's gag order regarding the case against her suspected killer.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Kemug]

"He was the type to stare," she told the magazine. "He wouldn't look away if you caught him staring. Like he wanted you to notice that he was looking at you. He didn't smile, didn't nod, didn't say anything. Just stared."

My "professional" diagnosis is, regardless of anything else, he is a real creep.

 

[RonSwanson33]

IIRC PCA states the 11 times near the house were in the early morning hours and there was once during the day.

Yes I know. I was responding to ppl saying he was at the Uni during the times his phone pinged.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Is the food court in the student union the Idaho Eats dining hall?

The main residence dining is not in the ISUB — they are located in the Vandal Village dorm area.


To answer someone else (maybe @Sundog?) anyone can purchase food from contract vendors like Chick-fil-A in the food court in the ISUB. I’m not sure, but I think even students with dining plans might be able to use their dining dollars at those vendors?

I think the confusion is maybe folks found the residence hall dining options & thought those options would be available to BCK.

Again, AFAIK, he would be limited to the public offerings, not the residence hall dining options.

HTH!

 

[RonSwanson33]

Well, although I believe he’s guilty, even an innocent person shouldn’t talk, in his circumstances. When the police smash your door down in the middle of the night and arrest you for murder, you’re not going to be able to talk your way out of it.

Pretty sure an innocent person would not be A-OK with sitting in jail till June for a prelim trial lol. IMO.

 

[Zella]

The main residence dining is not in the ISUB — they are located in the Vandal Village dorm area.


To answer someone else (maybe @Sundog?) anyone can purchase food from contract vendors like Chick-fil-A in the food court in the ISUB. I’m not sure, but I think even students with dining plans might be able to use their dining dollars at those vendors?

I think the confusion is maybe folks found the residence hall dining options & thought those options would be available to BCK.

Again, AFAIK, he would be limited to the public offerings, not the residence hall dining options.

HTH!

The university I was a grad student at had a similar setup. As a grad student, I could buy anything at the food court type places across campus, and anyone visiting the campus could have as well. Student ID wasn't required, and the transaction was no different than at any fast food restaurant off campus.

But dining halls in undergrad residents weren't open to the public. I would be surprised if I'd have been able to eat at one even as a student since I wasn't a resident and didn't have a meal plan.

MOO

 

[Sundog]

Yes I know. I was responding to ppl saying he was at the Uni during the times his phone pinged.

I don't recall anyone saying that BK was at the Student Union at U of I at the times that his phones pinged. We were talking about the article in People magazine that quoted three students who claimed they saw BK on campus at U of Idaho, and posters were debating whether or not BK had a legitimate reason or not to be on the U of I campus, whether it was unusual or there could be good reason for him to be there, such as using the library, etc.

The discussion had nothing to do with the phone pings, posters were also speculating that BK could have seen the victims on campus.

 

[Cool Cats]

Miranda has nothing to due with handcuffs or arrest. You may be handcuffed while being only detained. Miranda falls into when the police ask you questions about a crime. They can talk about the weather or baseball or whatever. Before questioning about a crime is when Miranda must be read.

But when you are officially told "you are under arrest" you must be read your Miranda rights.

People are questioned all the time about crimes and not read Miranda Rights. Look at YouTube and you see this all the time, cops interviewing people at their jobs, on the street, etc.... Suspecting them of a crime but not arresting them, not reading Miranda Rights. When you see them actually getting arrested they are always read their rights.

I had cops at my door questioning me and my kids because the car in our driveway matched the car a criminal had just used right after he had just robbed a local gas station. The cops made me wake up my sons so they could rule them out because they had the suspect's photo on camera.

I never heard a thing about Miranda Rights.