ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 16

[Olivia Reed]

For any one here trying to understand this complicated murder investigation, including me, this is the official Moscow website dedicated to the ongoing investigation...

King Road Homicides | Moscow, ID

www.ci.moscow.id.us

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KING ROAD HOMICIDES
CRIME TIPS
Detectives are looking for context to the events and people involved in these murders. To assist with the ongoing investigation, any odd or out-of-the-ordinary events that took place should be reported. Our focus is the investigation, not the activities. Your information, whether you believe it is significant or not, might be a piece of the puzzle to help investigators solve these murders.

Telephone: 208-883-7180
Email: tipline@ci.moscow.id.us
Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho
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SUMMARY
(November 27, 2022)

On the evening of November 12th, Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen were at a local bar called Corner Club at 202 N. Main Street, in downtown Moscow, between 10 p.m. and 1:30 a.m. on November 13th. At approximately 1:40 a.m., Kaylee and Madison were seen on video at a local food vendor called the “Grub Truck” at 318 S. Main Street and used a private party for a ride home from downtown to arrive at their 1122 King Road residence around 1:56 a.m. (Arrival time has been updated based on digital evidence collected by investigators.)

Investigators have determined that Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle were seen at the Sigma Chi house on the University of Idaho Campus at 735 Nez Perce Drive. At approximately 1:45 a.m., Ethan and Xana are believed to have returned to the residence at 1122 King Road. It was previously reported that Ethan resided at the home; however, it has been determined that he was only visiting.

Detectives believe that on November 12th, the two surviving roommates had also been out in the Moscow community, separately, but returned home by 1 a.m. on November 13th. The two did not wake up until later that morning.

On November 13th, the surviving roommates summoned friends to the residence because they believed one of the second-floor victims had passed out and was not waking up. At 11:58 a.m., a 911 call requested aid for an unconscious person. The call was made from one of the surviving roommates’ cell phones inside the residence. Multiple people talked with the 911 dispatcher before Moscow Police arrived at the location. Officers entered the residence and found two victims on the second floor and two victims on the third floor.

Autopsies were conducted on November 17th. The Latah County Coroner confirmed the identity of the four murdered individuals and their cause and manner of death as homicide by stabbing. The coroner stated the four victims were likely asleep, some had defensive wounds, and each was stabbed multiple times. There was no sign of sexual assault.

ASSIGNED RESOURSES
Moscow Police Department
4 Detectives
24 patrol officers
5 support staff
Federal Bureau of Investigation
22 investigators in Moscow
20 assigned agents located out of the Treasure Valley, ID, Salt Lake City, UT, and West Virginia
2 Behavior Analysis Unit agents

Idaho State Police
20 investigators
Public Information Officer
ISP Forensics Services and mobile crime scene team
15 uniformed troopers to assist with community patrols
Frequently Asked Questions
City of Moscow Police Department

Rumor Control
There have been media questions regarding a February 2022, death on Baker St. The Latah County Coroner’s Office has confirmed the death was due to an overdose. This case is not related to the ongoing murder investigation.
There have been online reports of a red Mustang on S. Deakin St. being processed as part of the murder investigation. This information is not accurate, and the vehicle is not connected to this incident.
The identity of the 911 caller has not been released.
There have been numerous media inquiries about a 1999 double stabbing in Pullman, Washington, and the 2021 double stabbing (with one death) in Salem, Oregon. While these cases share similarities with the King Street homicides, there does not appear to be any evidence to support the cases are related.
Detectives are aware of a Latah County Sheriff’s Office incident of the report of a skinned dog but do not believe there is any evidence to support it is related to this incident. Contact Latah County Sheriff’s Office for further details.
Detectives are also aware of a Moscow Police incident of the report of deceased animals left on a resident’s property. This was determined to be wildlife activity and not related to the murders.
Online reports of the victims being tied and gagged are not accurate.

Additional investigation information
Currently, no suspects are in custody, and no weapon has been located.
On the night of the incident, officers located a dog at the residence. The dog was unharmed, turned over to Animal Services, and later released to a responsible party.
Local businesses were contacted to determine if a fixed-blade knife had been recently purchased.
Detectives seized the contents of three dumpsters on King Road to locate possible evidence.
Gov. Brad Little directed up to $1 million in state emergency funds for the ongoing investigation
During the investigation:
113 pieces of physical evidence collected and taken to the ISP crime lab
Approximately 4,000 crime scene photographs taken
Developed multiple three-dimensional scans of the residence
ISP Forensic Science scientists and technicians worked hundreds of hours
Over 488 digital media submissions by community members to the FBI link

Did Kaylee have a stalker?
Investigators have looked extensively into information received about Kaylee having a stalker. They have pursued hundreds of pieces of information related to this topic but have not verified or identified a stalker. Anyone with information about a potential stalker or unusual instances is asked to contact the tip line.

Telephone: 208-883-7180
Email: tipline@ci.moscow.id.us
Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho
Is the public in danger?
Anytime there is a crime against a person, there is a potential danger to the general public. However, detectives believe these murders were targeted. As always, stay vigilant and look out for one another.

Are there any suspects?
At this time, there are no named suspects, no arrests and no weapon has been found.

Who is NOT believed to be involved?
Two surviving roommates,
Male in the Grub Truck surveillance video,
Private party driver who took Kaylee and Madison home on November 13th,
The male Kaylee and Madison called numerous times during the early morning hours of November 13th, or
Any individual at the residence when 911 was called.
Who & what information can I trust?
There is speculation without factual backing, stoking community fears and spreading false facts. We encourage referencing official releases for accurate information and updated progress.

City of Moscow News Releases
Moscow Police Department Facebook
Who made the 911 phone call?
On November 13th, the surviving roommates summoned friends to the residence because they believed one of the second-floor victims had passed out and was not waking up. At 11:58 a.m., a 911 call requested aid for an unconscious person. The call was made from one of the surviving roommates’ cell phones inside the residence. Multiple people talked with the 911 dispatcher before Moscow Police arrived at the location. Officers entered the residence and found two victims on the second floor and two victims on the third floor.

Are detectives still looking for video surveillance?
Detectives are seeking all outside surveillance video taken from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. on Sunday, November 13th, from businesses and residences within the geographical area listed below:

West Taylor Ave (north boundary)
West Palouse River Dr (south boundary)
Highway 95 south to the 2700 block of Highway 95 S (east boundary)
Arboretum & Botanical Garden (west boundary)
Moscow Video Collection Map

Detectives are also seeking additional tips and surveillance video of any unusual behavior on the night of November 12th into the early hours of November 13th while Kaylee and Madison were in downtown Moscow and while Ethan and Xana were at the Sigma Chi house.

Moscow Idaho Homicide 11.17.22

Investigators have looked extensively into information received about Kaylee having a stalker. They have pursued hundreds of pieces of information related to this topic but have not verified or identified a stalker.

Detectives request all information, tips, pictures, and available videos – whether there appears to be motion and content or not – from anyone who observed unusual behavior near the designated areas or who has information about a potential stalker or unusual occurrences involving Kaylee.

Telephone: 208-883-7180
Email: tipline@ci.moscow.id.us
Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho


What happened to the dog?
On the night of the incident, officers located a dog at the residence. The dog was unharmed and turned over to Animal Services and later released to a responsible party.

Are reports of skinned dogs related to these murders?
Detectives are aware of a Latah County Sheriff’s Office incident of the report of a skinned dog and have determined it is unrelated to this incident. Contact Latah County Sheriff’s Office for further details.

Detectives are also aware of a Moscow Police incident of the report of deceased animals left on a resident’s property. This was determined to be wildlife activity and unrelated to the incident.

Why has no forensic information been released?
Forensic evidence was collected from the crime scene and is currently being processed. The test results will be used by detectives to assist in the investigation. As this is a criminal matter, much of the evidence will not be released to the public.

What resources are being used to investigate this murder?
Moscow Police Department:

4 Detectives
24 Patrol Officers
Support Staff
Federal Bureau of Investigation:

22 investigators in Moscow
20 assigned agents located out of Treasure Valley, ID, Salt Lake City, Utah, and West Virginia
2 Behavior Analysis Unit
Idaho State Police:

20 investigators
Public Information Officer
ISP Forensics Services and mobile crime scene team
15 uniformed troopers to assist with community patrols
University of Idaho Support Services
Communications from U of I Leadership
Remembrance
Vandal Family Support Resources

 

[Sandy007]

Just read the report that the police seized 5 cars that were parked at the front of the house. Few days ago I saw pictures of LE officers examining the cars in situ and now they took all cars away. Perhaps the police found same DNA of a person in both crime scene and one of more than one cars and that person was not any of the housemates nor their friends?

 

[drmrgrl]

With LE saying the killings were “targeted”, could the motivation for the murders be political? Some extreme person wanting to make a “blanket” or generalized statement?

 

[jcamh]

There has been much discussion about Murphy, the Golden Doodle, who was in the house and what he "should" have done. Golden Doodles are sweet-natured, loving, active, funny dogs. They aren't known for being fierce or protective. If a stranger entered the house, they would want attention and to be petted. In an effort to share a lighter moment during this horrible case, here is a video that I believe is of a Golden Doodle.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=484484716823317

 

[Porki]

And wearing protective gear of some sort head to toe.IMO. PPE is lightweight and could easily be bundled up into a backpack. He could have just stood in a clean area, removed it, put booties on and fled outside in a flash and taken the booties off at a distance to avoid leaving footprints. Quick and easy.
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Anecdotal and JMO

The DuPont Tyvek suits I have are not the quietest of materials. I am sure there are other options, but the white head to toe disposable suits are definitely not on the stealth attire list.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I wish LE and even the family would use the media to plead more on an emotional level to the killer.

Sounds silly but "talk" to the killer or people who surround him. Beg them to call in any tip if their brother, son, husband, co-worker, classmate sends out any actions or behavior that may be a concern or suspicious. Plead with people to pay attention. I know they have in a way, but LE could be more aggressive in getting people to look around them. JMO, MOO... Easier said than done though.

Maybe BAU thinks that is the wrong tactic to take with this killer. The killer might just get off on the begging b/c empathy clearly isn't his thing. That is something they'd consider. I can also see how that kind of extreme plea might put the people around him at risk.

 

[zephyr22]

Reckless speculation wreaks havoc on life of Idaho resident

Online crime sleuths have latched onto Jeremy Reagan, a neighbor of the Idaho murder victims, and deemed him a suspect.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[Mayboy1998]

Has there been any additional press conferences scheduled?

 

[everybodhi]

Coroners are qualified doctors, qualified patologoanatoms. They MUST take the temperature of the body in situ, plus they MUST take the room temperature and check if the there are fixtures to switch on/off the heating system such as clocks and thermostats as the working heating may delay the decreasing of the body temperature of the deceased after they die.

Not in Idaho, no medical training is required. Edited to add, this is the case in many states.
You must be 21, a US citizen, a resident of the county for one year and take a coroner’s course within a year of being elected.
BBM
“However, if you run for the office, you must agree -- if you win -- to complete on a yearly basis at least eight hours of training in subjects including, but not limited to, Idaho coroner law as well as death investigations and protocol.”
Idaho coroner qualifications are downright basic

Here is Latah County’s government Coroner page which states all her duties at length.
Latah County Coroner

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Anecdotal and JMO

The DuPont Tyvek suits I have are not the quietest of materials. I am sure there are other options, but the white head to toe disposable suits are definitely not on the stealth attire list.

how about latex or neoprene? could either of those be worn and wiped down between killings? they'd certainly seal in hair/skin, limit dna, protect from cuts and scratches.

 

[Curiosa20]

There were police dogs at the scene, seen on pictures. The trained police dogs are more likely to react to the scent of perpetrator. The question is: did the perpetrator left an item at the crime scene which police identified as belonging to him and which could be used as a source of scent? Was description of a killer as being 'slopy' a reference that such item was indeed found at the crime scene?

Most importantly in this case was having the dogs search for traces of blood.
Unless it was microscopic there was no blood apparent outside the house in any of the multitude of photos

 

[ObsessedNightOwl]

MOO:

The FBI might have the ability to analyze a large collection of cell phone data to determine if a particular cell phone was present at a certain location and then present later at the murder scene.

For example: all of he cell phones that were present in the bar that two victims were at earlier in evening could be determined, then the data from all of those phones looked at to see if one of these phones was also found to be present at or near the murder scene later in evening.

There would need to be a massive amount of analysis of cell phone location data. John Miller on CNN earlier in week had mentioned this as a possible effort that a special unit of the FBI would be able to undertake.

 

[kittythehare]

With LE saying the killings were “targeted”, could the motivation for the murders be political? Some extreme person wanting to make a “blanket” or generalized statement?

It's possible but no evidence shared publicly points in that direction except for it's absence.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Standard bedroom and bathroom doors have locks on the inside. (That may even be a city code requirement during the building or remodel process.) Having locks on the OUTSIDE of bedroom or bathroom doors would be kind of weird, not to mention a hazard.

The house was recently updated/remodeled. If you Google Images the address, you'll find some pictures from an old listing. The place looked really worn and outdated, sort of like what you'd expect of a college town rental. The upgrades to the house were a huge improvement.

Old listing: 1122 King Rd | Moscow, Idaho
New listing: 1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Zillow

Yet, the remodel didn’t bother to replace the first floor bedroom windows. Which are non-conforming for bedroom windows & have been for at least a couple of decades, at least here. Any renovations were done to replace things that couldn’t be cleaned anymore, or for cosmetics, not for safety :-(

 

[kittythehare]

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1597797785793073152

 

[Saquish]

Thinking of the incel angle. The killer may have brought more weapons with him too.

A self-proclaimed incel has pleaded guilty to an attempt to murder after plotting sorority mass shooting

Tres Genco, 21, of Ohio, has pleaded guilty after police found a machine gun and manifesto declaring he wanted to kill 3,000 women.

www.insider.com

“Genco attended Army Basic Training at Ft. Benning, Georgia, from August through December 2019, said the DoJ.

Charging documents state that in 2019, Genco purchased tactical gloves, a bulletproof vest, a hoodie bearing the word "Revenge," a bowie knife, a skull facemask, two Glock 17 magazines, a 9mm Glock 17 clip, and a holster clip concealed carry for a Glock.”

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

They are definitely holding whatever cards they may have close to the chest/vest. I'm surprised there aren't more leaks or even information coming out from students or local Muscovites.

Local Muscovites don’t want to say/do anything to jeopardize a future prosecution. At least, those of us who treasure our community don’t. IMHO, of course.

 

[everybodhi]

Pretty sure this person is local. It's a cold place, but Idaho is a cold place.

I never heard of Moscow ID before this. So, I'm pretty sure the person is from the area.
It's fairly isolated.

Moscow, Idaho - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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I lived in Maine and everyone has all the winter gear, if you don’t have it thrift stores are full of it. With the right gear you’re not cold.
People who ski spend all day barreling down mountain snow and ice in sub zero temps. Night skiing is also a thing.
Hunters spend hours in freezing temps too, some even have snow tents and winter camp. Even in Alaska!
Idaho hunting season for Deer runs until Dec 24 and Elk until Dec 31. Bird hunting also runs late, quail until Jan 31.
Most northerners aren’t afraid of the cold.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Thx. So if it was a BF, left before LE showed up.

imo with all of the experts on scene, LE has already vetted each close contact and many second tier.

 

[Sandy007]

The ME role is what you are describing.

The ME role is what you are describing.

You are right. I was misled by word nurse in the post i was replying to.

Coroner is a juridical professional, they register suspicious deaths. No nurses, either.