Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

[MTW2011]

Mr. Means seems like the type in debate club who thinks they’re winning the argument just because they’re the louder one.

 

[watergirl62]

Means: Now... Lt. Ball.
Judge is getting more assertive to keep him on point.

Means is suggesting that the lack of affidavits from other officers is cloak and dagger.
Judge did you subpoena any of these officers for this info?
Means: No.

Paragraph 5. Hearsay statements.
Paragraph 6...

Judge: The deputies said you needed to ask to have the recordings turned off. They are saying you knew you had to ask.
You should know it is recording when it says it is recording.

 

[BUF]

Now the covid excuse

 

[MadTing]

I want to pull lori's facemask as far back as possible on its elastics then let it slap her back in the face.

 

[Diddian]

Personally, I do think Means, if he were worth his salt, SHOULD have explicitly verified each time he visited that the recording be turned off since these are such unusual circumstances for attorney-client consultations. He claims that he verified the first day, but not on subsequent days since these visits occurred on consecutive days, but certainly under these unusual circumstances, procedures may change from day to day, so the attorney should extend the effort to make sure the conversations remain confidential.

That way, unintentional mistakes - which are more likely to happen under unusual circumstances than in usual circumstances - would not be made and he'd have a better position from which to argue that the recording was intentional and was misused.

 

[MadTing]

dbm

 

[fred&edna]

Shouldn't Means already know what happened (deleted, passed on, etc) to any jail recordings prior to Covid-19?? He had enough time to investigate, right??

 

[Love Never Fails]

Where can I see the hearing please?

 

[Anonymous91]

Man does this guy ever shut up. Over an hour and all he has been talking about are these stupid recordings.
He keeps repeating his arguments over and over again. The judge is being too nice, and needs to tell him, to stop beating a dead horse.
This is getting absolutely insane.

Here we go again, let's talk about the recordings for the 167th time.

MOO

 

[fred&edna]

Where can I see the hearing please?

 

[MadTing]

Where can I see the hearing please?

 

[BreeCherie]

This is so bizarre watching them all in in court wearing face masks. The fact that they all have different styles of face masks makes it look even more nuts, loris lawyer looks like he got his from a gang member lol

20 years from now, this is going to be the most bizarre case to look back at for so many reasons

 

[Love Never Fails]

Thanks so much to both of you.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I like the judge.

 

[Diddian]

Means is trying to act the role of defense attorney as well as his own witness.

Denied! Class is over.

On to a decision on the motion.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

The judge and Mr. Means refer to her as Lori Vallow today. Last time she was in front of the court her attorneys asked the judge to refer to her as Lori Daybell.

I wonder how big the laughs are at Edwina Elcox and Brian Webb's offices right now?

 

[sassyblue]

I like the judge.

Me too but Lori will be filing a motion on Monday for a new one I'm sure.

 

[Diddian]

The judge and Mr. Means refer to her as Lori Vallow today. Last time she was in front of the court her attorneys asked the judge to refer to her as Lori Daybell.

I wonder how big the laughs are at Edwina Elcox and Brian Webb's offices right now?

Probably especially when he said he doesn't like melodrama. Boy, did he pick the wrong client!

 

[Onsdag]

So, at the very beginning of the livestream, just as Lori and Mr. Means got seated and literally right before the hearing began, Mr. Means' phone went off. He quickly pulled his phone out of his pocket and silenced it. Turning to Lori he said "That would have been bad." At that time I thought "no, you think?" Immediately afterwards the hearing began. He silenced that phone just in time. Now, looking back, I think Mr. Means should have been just as quick to silence his own voice because listening to that go off all throughout the hearing was really bad for his case. MOO.

 

[Queasy Gumshoe]

YES!!!! PLEASE MOVE ON!!!