Is Casey the real Zenaida?

[kew17]

TWA,

No - we've seen nothing on LA's computers at all. We have not seen anything on ISP logs for the Anthonys, Lee or Tony either. I have a couple of theories on why we haven't:

1. The Anthonys' and Lee's ISP logs and other computer information - I speculate the defense already has them because the Anthony family has willingly provided or agreed to have them released to the defense team. Therefore they won't be requesting them from the state.

2. Tony - I'm not real sure how long this would take. According to how Tony's internet service was provided this could be the equivalent of a needle in a haystack. If Tony's apartment complex offers internet service he would most likely have a dynamic IP address and his log would be part of a massive amount of activity from the same apartment complex. Picking out his apartment's activity could range from astronomical to impossible! Maybe some one else more experienced in apartment internet service set-up could explain if there is some efficient way for them to delineate activity from Tony's apartment versus the other units in the complex. I'm just not sure on that.

Hey Val,
Have managing apts. for years, however, never in Florida. Here in Texas, when apts advertise they have internet, they typically mean that either they have a business center avail to residents to fax, copy, surf etc and/or they have services avail. I've never heard of apts providing internet services to each individual apartment in the community at their expense. Cable TV maybe, but due to the exact reason you cited, that's a ball of wax they won't want to get into. They have hookups only, but you have to get your own provider.

Like I said, this is only how I've seen it done here, not sure what happens in Florida. I don't see how they'd do it.

 

[Valhall]

My daughter is going to school right now and she is living in an off-campus college focused apartment. The apartment complex supplies internet - it's part of the total apartment charge. She pays other utilities, but the internet is part of the rent.

With Tony's apartment being just off campus for Full Sail, it could very well be the same. I am certain (at least for the property management company that owns the complex my daughter is in - a company than owns "off-campus college housing" across the U.S.) this is probably an amenity offered in many near campus apartment complexes. After all, every college student these days is going to at least want - but more likely need - an internet connection.

 

[BeanE]

My daughter is going to school right now and she is living in an off-campus college focused apartment. The apartment complex supplies internet - it's part of the total apartment charge. She pays other utilities, but the internet is part of the rent.

With Tony's apartment being just off campus for Full Sail, it could very well be the same. I am certain (at least for the property management company that owns the complex my daughter is in - a company than owns "off-campus college housing" across the U.S.) this is probably an amenity offered in many near campus apartment complexes. After all, every college student these days is going to at least want - but more likely need - an internet connection.

It appears that internet access is an amenity offered by Tony's apartment complex, Sutton Place.

http://www.forrent.com/apartment-co...t.com/apartment-community-profile/1005970.php

(I happened to have that link handy because on another thread we wanted to know if he had a garbage disposal lol.)

 

[Tuffy]

It appears that internet access is an amenity offered by Tony's apartment complex, Sutton Place.

http://www.forrent.com/apartment-co...t.com/apartment-community-profile/1005970.php

(I happened to have that link handy because on another thread we wanted to know if he had a garbage disposal lol.)

Many apartment complexes in Dallas offer internet access as a service provided by management. More and more of them offer it now in order to compete with each other for tenents.

A place I used to live in had free wireless access.

 

[kew17]

Great information! I should probably pull my head out of the sand and get with the times. lol By the way, my post should have said, "I HAVEN'T managed apts in years"! :blushing::blushing:

 

[nitasch]

Ok....after reading all the items and comments I could find regarding this theory, (KC posed as Zeneida) I think it is possible, since we know the "Real Zani" does not exist. BUT, I think that the Zeneida that received the ticket should be removed from the theory.

RH has provided the copies of the tickets etc. on his site. To me the proof this Zeneida was NOT KC, is the fact that she spoke spanish. Yes, one could play dumb and act like they do not speak english to a cop, but would have a very hard time getting through a conversation with a spanish speaking cop that showed up on scene. CA stated that KC spoke "spanglish" which is english with a few spanish words tossed in for effect.... like "Casa de Anthony"

That brought up another question though....why did the old ticket of KC's suddenly come up prosecutorial after she was arrested if it had nothing to do with KC posing as Zeneida in the recent ticket......well, I still believe that the identification card that was taken from CA the morning of the 16th with explain that. JMO

So, in my suspicious mind....Val's theory of KC being Zeneida...is still very possible, but the ticketed Zeneida is of no value in the theory.

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

I'm confused. I see nothing wise she did here while stealing..nothing that any person with 1/2 a brain could do. I mean she signed her own name on Amy's check..duh. Maybe I'm missing something?

I could be wrong, but I thought she created a new check or something from her grandmother's account simply by having the account number from a small birthday check given to KC.

I don't know where to find this info. I only know I saw it somewhere. Maybe she did it to Lee too? Or Cindy? My brain is fuzzy, lol.

The point is, you could give me all of your account numbers and I would have no clue how to write myself checks based on that information.

 

[JWG]

Without copying the entire thread, [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4615938&postcount=506"]here is a post[/ame] I just put up that could be interpreted as KC possibly experimenting with the spoofed Myspace page idea as early as March, 2008.

 

[Imbackon]

I could be wrong, but I thought she created a new check or something from her grandmother's account simply by having the account number from a small birthday check given to KC.

I don't know where to find this info. I only know I saw it somewhere. Maybe she did it to Lee too? Or Cindy? My brain is fuzzy, lol.

The point is, you could give me all of your account numbers and I would have no clue how to write myself checks based on that information.

I think this was done with an electronic deposit iirc.
I don't know if this is what she used to gain access online to grandma's account, then send herself an electronic payment, or what.
The only time I have ever used a routing number was using MY account to transfer to someone elses bank. So maybe she had Grandma's online information. Possible CA's name was associated with the account and KC knew the password or figured it out.
One way to do this would be if NO ONLINE ACCESS was set up for grandma's account. All KC would have to do would be to register using any email she wanted, put in the account info, and a couple of other pieces of information and the account would be hers for the taking.
Of course you get caught this way, but seems KC didn't worry about this detail.

 

[cloud]

Look at this myspace account:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=389838213

It was created on 06/16/08 - the last day Caylee was seen alive. It was last accessed on 10/14/08 - the day the grand jury indicted KC for murder and she was returned to jail for the last time.

Sign - Pisces. (KC's birthday is 3/19)

Location: Miami, FL (KC kept emphasizing to LA - "definitely Miami" as a place to look for ZG)

Pic: Dora the Explorer doll

What's significant about Dora? The evidence found at the scene of the remains states a backpack with "adorable" was found. That's a Dora the Explorer aDORAble backpack...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dora-The-Explorer-Adorable-Backpack/dp/B000NWGANQ

GA stated the last time he saw Caylee he thought she had a white backpack on with "monkeys" on it. Maybe it was white...maybe it was pink. But that aDORAble backpack has Dora's monkey on it.

A small plastic toy horse was found with the remains.

Pick which Dora pony you'd like to have:

http://www.fisher-price.com/fp.aspx?st=8640&e=ponies

It has been rumored that one of the reasons for the immediate search of the Anthony home after the remains were found was to match two items found at the crime scene that appeared to come from a set: the Winnie the Pooh blanket (Caylee's room and bed have Winnie the Pooh decorations and accessories) and "the set" from which the horse came from. Were they looking for the Dora doll?

Was KC doing activities on this myspace while she was hanging out at JB's office all day every day during her home confinement period? Was there more information on this page prior to her indictment and return to jail on 10/14? Did she wipe everything clean as her last activity on this myspace? The only way LE could find that out would be to confiscate computers in JB's office, or get a subpoena from myspace for this account and match it back to JB's IP.

I love reading your posts and theories. Your last paragraph in this one is really interesting... I've considered it, but never wrote about it.

As a matter of public record, I think we know that LA was busy on her laptop the night she was first arrested... So :waitasec: Someone at some point was trying to delete records... but they can't - not entirely. It would be very interesting indeed if JB's computer(s) data could be subpeoned.

JMHO

 

[sleutherontheside]

I love reading your posts and theories. Your last paragraph in this one is really interesting... I've considered it, but never wrote about it.

As a matter of public record, I think we know that LA was busy on her laptop the night she was first arrested... So :waitasec: Someone at some point was trying to delete records... but they can't - not entirely. It would be very interesting indeed if JB's computer(s) data could be subpeoned.

JMHO

That sounds like a question for the Richard Hornsby thread. Hint Hint :angel:

 

[cloud]

That sounds like a question for the Richard Hornsby thread. Hint Hint :angel:

Thanks.

 

[Just Jayla]

Is it possible LE has kept this page open and is still considering it under investigation-Maybe they, too, have been watching this page to see if someone logs in, and have not passed it over to the defense because it is ongoing, unfinished, not ready to be entered into discovery or evidence.
Perhaps this would explain any crickets & silence we get if the media have asked for the public records on this.

ETA-This could also explain the story 'the source' had, that this was a Miami area ISP/IP....Initially, no match to what we wanted to see...that is what LE found preliminarily, a southern Florida IP, but that does not mean they stopped looking at this, or perhaps they passed over to FBI specialists.

Also, i think I'm repeating what Imbackon said a few pages back-It is still open, why else would we have seen nothing?

 

[cecybeans]

I love reading your posts and theories. Your last paragraph in this one is really interesting... I've considered it, but never wrote about it.

As a matter of public record, I think we know that LA was busy on her laptop the night she was first arrested... So :waitasec: Someone at some point was trying to delete records... but they can't - not entirely. It would be very interesting indeed if JB's computer(s) data could be subpeoned.

JMHO

I'd love to know what is on those computers, but I'm sure we'll never see that. As apoplectic as JB was when DC was simply interviewed, calling for a special master and yelling privilege, he would go nuclear if anyone tried to get into his confidential files at work. It would look like Vesuvius went off in Orlando. I'm not sure a peripheral situation like this - interesting as it is to us - would prove critical enough in the case for the SA to even think about that. Using a subpoena to get records from another attorney would set a precedent and open a can of worms I'm sure the legal community in FL would not want visited on themselves. Maybe one of our in-residence attorneys could enlighten us on what kind of Act of God would be necessary to do that; I'd imagine it would have to be right up there with a national security issue.

 

[Just Jayla]

Okay, I am a little green on this stuff, but maybe KC was using a tor network:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)

http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid14_gci1227940,00.html

Sorry if this has been discussed here in relation to KC possibly hiding her IP info, but is anyone here able to recognize the "flaws" in the MySpace application that can be caused due to the tor? The second article says there should be application flaws.

I know you can view all of the source info simply by right clicking anywhere on the Zenaida webpage, is there something in this source info that has been altered?

Geeks, help!

ETA-Or, could she have used or a proxy server, something of this nature-Will go back in this thread to check, but I'm just now getting into this point, and my brain hurts.

 

[Just Jayla]

KC was using Firefox almost exclusively, yes? Don't want to lose track of the point of this thread, this is in reference to KC having possibly masked or onion networked her IP address using tor-Thing is, since "tor' was not in the search list we have seen, how can we tell if tor was there when she set up the MySpace?:

Warning: Want Tor to really work?
...then please don't just install it and go on. You need to change some of your habits, and reconfigure your software! Tor by itself is NOT all you need to maintain your anonymity. There are several major pitfalls to watch out for:

1.Tor only protects Internet applications that are configured to send their traffic through Tor — it doesn't magically anonymize all your traffic just because you install it. We recommend you use Firefox with the Torbutton extension. 2.Torbutton blocks browser plugins such as Java, Flash, ActiveX, RealPlayer, Quicktime, Adobe's PDF plugin, and others: they can be manipulated into revealing your IP address. For example, that means Youtube is disabled. If you really need your Youtube, you can reconfigure Torbutton to allow it; but be aware that you're opening yourself up to potential attack. Also, extensions like Google toolbar look up more information about the websites you type in: they may bypass Tor and/or broadcast sensitive information. Some people prefer using two browsers (one for Tor, one for unsafe browsing).
3.Beware of cookies: if you ever browse without Tor and a site gives you a cookie, that cookie could identify you even when you start using Tor again. Torbutton tries to handle your cookies safely. CookieCuller can help protect any cookies you do not want to lose.
4.Tor anonymizes the origin of your traffic, and it encrypts everything between you and the Tor network and everything inside the Tor network, but it can't encrypt your traffic between the Tor network and its final destination. If you are communicating sensitive information, you should use as much care as you would on the normal scary Internet — use HTTPS or other end-to-end encryption and authentication.
5.While Tor blocks attackers on your local network from discovering or influencing your destination, it opens new risks: malicious or misconfigured Tor exit nodes can send you the wrong page, or even send you embedded Java applets disguised as domains you trust. Be careful opening documents or applications you download through Tor, unless you've verified their integrity.


Be smart and learn more. Understand what Tor does and does not offer. This list of pitfalls isn't complete, and we need your help identifying and documenting all the issues.

 

[Kimster]

We do not link to MySpace unless it is someone who is a suspect in a case. Thank you!

 

[Valhall]

The Zenaida myspace was just logged on. The profile has been changed to read "zenaida debesa" under the display name.

I'm concluding this was not set up by Casey Anthony.

 

[Just Jayla]

The Zenaida myspace was just logged on. The profile has been changed to read "zenaida debesa" under the display name.

I'm concluding this was not set up by Casey Anthony.

Ugh....Yet this idea is still hard to put to bed. Poo.

ETA-Okay, just in case I still have reservations, that maybe this is something to throw us off the scent, do we have to send this to the rumors thread now? I can't get over the dates on the page being coincidental

 

[RR0004]

Ugh....Yet this idea is still hard to put to bed. Poo.

ETA-Okay, just in case I still have reservations, that maybe this is something to throw us off the scent, do we have to send this to the rumors thread now? I can't get over the dates on the page being coincidental

What's really weird is when I googled this name I got an entry for a S. Debesa along with a Z. Fernandez on classmates.com. You just can't make this stuff up!