Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #13

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A video posted directly by Israel's Defence Forces claimed that it had found Hamas weapons and technology, as well as a "list of terrorist names" in Arabic, showing each agents' rota guarding Israeli hostages under the Al-Rantisi Children's Hospital in Gaza. However, a translation of the document shows that it contains no names but instead a calendar of the days of the week. Vedika Bahl explains in this episode of Truth or Fake.

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IF Shiri, Kfir, and Ariel were held here (“female hostage” and “baby bottle”), iirc from the first video there was a tunnel right by an IDF-strike-targeted terrorist leader’s residence (with the solar panels) that led to the hospital (and was near a school). There were also some destroyed buildings right by that hospital, iirc. Of course there are destroyed buildings everywhere, but I wonder if their remains can possibly be found there. Was this leader’s home targeted PIJ or Hamas. Posting these thoughts before I examine the video so as to not forget my train of thought. Going in for a look, iirc it was the first CNN video.


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Eta: “Rantisi Children’s Hospital”

A satellite image with a large building complex at the center.

A commercially available satellite image showing Al-Rantisi hospital in Gaza on Nov. 7.Credit...Maxar Technologies, via Reuters


“Monday’s video included footage of a piece of paper taped to a wall in the hospital’s basement. Admiral Hagari said the paper — a grid with Arabic words and numbers within each square — could be a schedule for guarding hostages “where every terrorist writes his name.”

The paper included a mark that appeared to be an illegible signature, but did not seem to otherwise include people’s names — the Arabic words were days of the week and numbers underneath dates. The Gazan Health Ministry said in a statement that the paper, including days and dates, was nothing more than “a regular work shift timetable, a standard administrative practice in hospitals.”

The ministry, however, failed to address one key detail: The calendar begins on Oct. 7, the day of the Hamas terrorist attack on Israel, and an Arabic title written at the top uses the militants’ name for the assault: “Al Aqsa Flood Battle, 7/10/2023.””




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Eta2: Video 1 says “A Hamas Commander lived there” and mentions smell of rotting smell of flesh buried beneath rubble. IDF was clearing that area. IDF says patients were evacuated from that hospital five days earlier.


From above:

“Monday’s video included footage of a piece of paper taped to a wall in the hospital’s basement. Admiral Hagari said the paper — a grid with Arabic words and numbers within each square — could be a schedule for guarding hostages “where every terrorist writes his name.”

The paper included a mark that appeared to be an illegible signature, but did not seem to otherwise include people’s names — the Arabic words were days of the week and numbers underneath dates. The Gazan Health Ministry said in a statement that the paper, including days and dates, was nothing more than “a regular work shift timetable, a standard administrative practice in hospitals.”

The ministry, however, failed to address one key detail: The calendar begins on Oct. 7, the day of the Hamas terrorist attack on Israel, and an Arabic title written at the top uses the militants’ name for the assault: “Al Aqsa Flood Battle, 7/10/2023.””
 
No it's not. I'm ready to pull my hair out!!!

I just typed this huge post and I have to post screenshots because the IRCS website does not cut and paste.

You can read my post here.
Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #13

They're not the same thing!! The Red Cross has local chapters and teaches CPR. They also have blood drives and they provide disaster aid etc. The ICRC works in war and conflict situations. You can't get take CPR classes from the ICRC. The ICRC is based in Geneva. The American Red Cross is based in the US. Local chapters are based locally. The Palestinian Red Crescent is based in Gaza and the West Bank. I can't take CPR classes at the Palestinian Red Crescent because they aren't here. Plus they have ambulances. American Red Cross doesn't have ambulances etc etc.

Feel free to believe all sorts of bad stuff about them!!!

Does the IFRC oversee either or both of them?? Are they a network joined in some manner... wherever they may be based?? AND, if you know... do they combine funds/donations??


The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) is the world’s largest humanitarian network.

Our secretariat supports local Red Cross and Red Crescent action in more than 191 countries, bringing together more than 16 million volunteers for the good of humanity




ETA: Don't pull your hair out, please!!
 
Unfortunately I don't think her son would be alive. They did not give medical attention to any of the others. He would have needed to be operated on straight away. MOO

Other males have now been released that were not seriously injured like Hersh…is he part of the “maybe around 60” and “more than 40” missing hostages.
 
But that's on Hamas. Hamas only met ICRC in parking lots to hand off the hostages. They didn't allow them in their stash houses and the ICRC didn't know where they were.


People are getting the Hamas run Palestinian Red Crescent mixed up with International Committee of the Red Cross in this thread. Families may not understand all of this either if they were told something else.

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They are the same. Red Crescent is the Muslim name, they operate under the same policies.

As posted above, the IRC which INCLUDES the Red Crescent operating in Gaza ... Is prepared to provide medication, provide they have access to the injured. Moo..I feel it was a separate pled, to save their family member.

No, the RC does not negotiate for release. They will serve as an intermediary. Moo...IDF request IRC, as did the good doctor evacuating the babies.

The Geneva Convention offers many "rules" of war, medical care, right to visit POW/hostages. Hamas makes the choice not to I hear to these rules.

(From IRC website)
 
1m ago

Hamas said Israel declined to receive seven women and child hostages and the bodies of three others who the militants said were killed during Israel’s bombardment of Gaza, in exchange for a temporary truce extension on Thursday, Reuters is reporting.

“This is despite confirming through mediators that this group is all the (Hamas) movement has in terms of detainees in the agreed-upon category,” Hamas said in a statement.

There was no immediate comment from Israel, Reuters reports.

A truce between Israel and Hamas is due to end in one hour (7am local time, 5am GMT)

 

The Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) is an officially recognized independent Palestinian National Society. It enjoys legal personality and is part of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement. The Society, which operates in Palestine and the diaspora, is guided by the Geneva Conventions and the Movement’s Fundamental Principles, i.e. Humanity, Impartiality, Neutrality, Independence, Voluntary Service, Unity and Universality.
 
10min ago

Hamas says forces on high alert as truce set to expire and extension deal teeters

Hamas’s military wing issues a statement saying that it ordered its forces to be on high alert in anticipation of a renewal in the terror group’s fighting with Israel.

The statement comes less than two hours before the deadline set by Israeli officials who warned that they would resume fighting if Hamas did not deliver by 7 a.m. an updated list of the hostages it is prepared to release in order to extend the truce by at least one more day.

An Israeli official said earlier that the list provided by Hamas contained hostages who are not all women or children, which Jerusalem has said it will not accept until those two categories are all returned.

5min ago

Hamas says Israel rejected offer for 7 more women and children, bodies of 3 Israelis

Hamas says in its statement that the list of seven Israelis it presented earlier this evening were the only Israeli women and children that it was able to locate in Gaza. Other allied terror groups also abducted Israelis on October 7, but several of those hostages were still released over the past week.

An Israeli official told reporters on Wednesday that Jerusalem believes at least 15 more women and children remain in Gaza.

Israel has in the past rejected Hamas claims that it could not locate all of the hostages in Gaza, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad falsely claimed that one of its hostages was killed in Israeli airstrikes when she was in fact alive and released in recent days
 
HAPPENING NOW: Negotiations to extend the Israel-Hamas ceasefire are reaching a feverish point as the ceasefire is set to expire in 45 minutes. Israel has told its military to be prepared for combat in case the truce is not extended.Hamas posted on Telegram telling its militants to remain in readiness posture.Secretary of State Antony Blinken arrived in Israel earlier this evening.Qatar says it's "very optimistic" a deal will be made to extend the pause
 
4min ago

Israeli health minister slams Red Cross’s conduct over hostage issue

Israeli Health Minister Uriel Busso pans the Red Cross organization, which has been handling the transfer of released hostages from Gaza to Israel via Egypt, over its lack of efforts to secure access to hostages held by Hamas and gain information on their wellbeing.

In an overnight post in Hebrew on X, Busso says the organization “refuses and neglects with complete insensitivity to transfer and make available information to Magen David Adom on the safety of the hostages.”

It is time to speak with a clear voice, Hamas is a terrorist organization that slaughtered and kidnapped children women, children and elderly people…We need an organization that will protect and give hope to the families of the hostages, and provide medical information. Any other conduct is acceptance and support for terror.
 
“A truce between Israel and Hamas was set to expire on Thursday morning as time ran down on international efforts to extend a six-day pause in fighting and an exchange of hostages held in Gaza for Palestinian prisoners.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken arrived in Tel Aviv early on Thursday, his third trip to the region since the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by Hamas, and was set to meet Israeli leaders to discuss extending the temporary truce and boosting humanitarian aid into Gaza.

“Looking at the next couple of days, we'll be focused on ... doing what we can to extend the pause so that we continue to get more hostages out and more humanitarian assistance in," Blinken said at a stop in Brussels.

Citing Israeli officials, Israeli media reported the military would resume attacks on Gaza at 7 a.m. (0500 GMT) if the government did not receive a list of hostages to be released that met its criteria by that time.”

 
8m ago

Helen Davidson

China’s government has released a position paper on the Israel-Hamas conflict. The country this month took the chair of the UN security council, and the position paper’s release coincided with an address to the council by China’s foreign minister Wang Yi.

The five point proposal reiterated much of China’s ongoing position on the conflict, which is that a two-state solution remains the answer, and again called for an immediate ceasefire, and an end to the fighting. It said humanitarian corridors had to be safe and unimpeded, and expansion of the conflict must be prevented.

Pursuant to the Charter of the United Nations, the Security Council shoulders primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security, and should thus play an active and constructive role on the question of Palestine.
Any arrangement on the future of Gaza must respect the will and independent choice of the Palestinian people, and must not be imposed upon them.

The five points proposed:

1. Implementing a comprehensive ceasefire and end to the fighting, acting on recent UN resolutions to realise a “durable and sustained” truce. It said the security council should make explicit demands for this as soon as possible.

2. Effective protection of civilians, with all parties stopping violent attacks against civilians and violations of international humanitarian law. It also proposed the security council “send a clear message on opposing forced transfer of the Palestinian civilian population, preventing the displacement of Palestinian civilians, and calling for the release of all civilians and hostages held captive as soon as possible.”

3. Ensure humanitarian assistance with all parties refraining from depriving the civilian population in Gaza of supplies and services. Humanitarian corridors should be set up and sustained safely and unimpeded, “to avoid a humanitarian disaster of even greater gravity”.

4. Enhance diplomatic mediation, with the security council leveraging its role to facilitate peace and prevent the4 conflict from widening in the region.

5. See a political settlement, the answer to which lies in the “implementation of the two-state solution, restoration of the legitimate national rights of Palestine, and the establishment of an independent State of Palestine that enjoys full sovereignty based on the 1967 border and with East Jerusalem as its capital.”

 
IMO that was part of the ceasefire agreement. The Red Cross was to be granted access to the hostages.ETA She mentions Red Cross. Not ICRC
This from Rachel Goldberg Polin:

While the family has been reaching out to the Red Cross and other humanitarian organizations every day since October 7, they have been told by each organization that they would be willing to visit the hostages but that Hamas wasn’t letting them in.

“We thought they were not pushing enough,” said Goldberg. “Then the Red Cross went in to see Gaza civilians.”

Goldberg-Polin’s parents and other families of the hostages then hoped the Red Cross would see one hostage for each Gazan civilian, “but that didn’t happen either,” said Goldberg.



Rbm.
Sad and there's no excuse since the RC can move freely to visit Gazans !
No excuse.
Actions speak louder than words.

If the RC would step up and deliver diabetes meds and other actions like wellness checks, then maybe people wouldn't be critical of them ?
IF the Red Cross is willing to visit the hostages to ensure their well being and take photos and video for proof of life, then people might not think they're supporting Hamas ?
They need to do this.

Hostages could be dying for simple lack of insulin.
Didn't some families try to deliver meds for their loved ones to the RC , and the RC refused to give the meds to the victims ?
Omo.
 
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4min ago

Israeli health minister slams Red Cross’s conduct over hostage issue

Israeli Health Minister Uriel Busso pans the Red Cross organization, which has been handling the transfer of released hostages from Gaza to Israel via Egypt, over its lack of efforts to secure access to hostages held by Hamas and gain information on their wellbeing.

In an overnight post in Hebrew on X, Busso says the organization “refuses and neglects with complete insensitivity to transfer and make available information to Magen David Adom on the safety of the hostages.”

It is time to speak with a clear voice, Hamas is a terrorist organization that slaughtered and kidnapped children women, children and elderly people…We need an organization that will protect and give hope to the families of the hostages, and provide medical information. Any other conduct is acceptance and support for terror.
Green bolded by me.
Strong words, but pertinent at this time !
 
“Israel, according to the reports, is demanding at least 10 hostages be released on Thursday, with women and children prioritised.”

[…]

“Ninety-seven hostages have been freed since the start of the truce, according to a Reuters tally. The Israeli military says 145 hostages remain in Gaza.”

 
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From above:

“Monday’s video included footage of a piece of paper taped to a wall in the hospital’s basement. Admiral Hagari said the paper — a grid with Arabic words and numbers within each square — could be a schedule for guarding hostages “where every terrorist writes his name.”

The paper included a mark that appeared to be an illegible signature, but did not seem to otherwise include people’s names — the Arabic words were days of the week and numbers underneath dates. The Gazan Health Ministry said in a statement that the paper, including days and dates, was nothing more than “a regular work shift timetable, a standard administrative practice in hospitals.”

The ministry, however, failed to address one key detail: The calendar begins on Oct. 7, the day of the Hamas terrorist attack on Israel, and an Arabic title written at the top uses the militants’ name for the assault: “Al Aqsa Flood Battle, 7/10/2023.””
GBM.
Great find , @margarita25 !
Re. the green bolded, this same health ministry also claimed thousands died in the hospital missile attack that turned out to be a misfire ?
There was never any proof shown that that many died.
Omo.
 
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