KC defense team.What now?

[Spyglass]

Not directed to anyone in particular, but I'm not sure we want to give any good ideas to the scheme team.

 

[PaperDoll]

I honestly can't come up with a defense theory here. I really can't. I'm surprised Jose hasn't walked, but then again Casey has a right to a fair trial. I think this is going to be a hard case for Jose B, I really do. I think the State has the BIG advantage here.

 

[azwriter]

That photo is great. I'm still laughing. Where do people get all these tiny cute
squirrel outfits? My squirrel doesn't have a thing to wear.

 

[Bakersmom]

IMHO - The "experts" for the defense and JB will probably face career suicide because of their very public reactions to some "no brainers" Like 1. being at the crime scene 2. Needing to be at the attorneys for 6-8 hours a day 3. Buying and publicing a "nanny story" when noone believes or has ever seen a nanny. etc...
Imagine yourself needing an attorney in the future..... There is no way I would ever hire any of them. Everyone deserves a fair trial, but the "hollywood BS factor" is something that I believe we could all do without. I believe an effective defense for Casey would be to do full disclosure of the real truth and beg for the courts mercy and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[kidz110]

What I wouldn't do as Casey or her defense attorney is go on tv and once again talk about the whole story coming out at trial. If Casey is innocent, she should want the real killer arrested. She should want justice. Therefore she should be talking to LE and telling them everything she knows. She should be offering any information she can. The fact that she is doing none of that speaks volumes. I think it will speak volumes to a jury also.

 

[magnolia]

The defense team will go with the kidnapping story, and they will say LE checked that area before and she wasnt there so how did she get there now (they will ask). The defense will also try to nix all the dna the prosecution has, with their so called dream team. And I might add, without "cause" of death now because of lapsed time, she ie Casey may get "out of" the murder one charge.

I agree with you. Right now, I'm not feeling very optimistic about the pros chances of winning this case.

I think it's going to be a long up-hill battle. I heard one Attorney say the pros chances would have been higher had the body not been found. I'm really surprised and disappointed the ME was unable to determine the cause of death.

I'm going to distance myself from this case for awhile cause I have a feeling that long up-hill battle will be painful to watch. I fear a conclusion similar to The State of Cal. vs. OJ Simpson. That thought makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Wudge]

ITA. I can't wait for them to determine whose fingerprints are all over everything. That will seal the deal. It shouldn't take too long to get fingerprint analysis results back, right?

I don't think she'll implicate her family though and I don't think they took any part in this. I do wonder how she is going to face them now. What could she possibly say? That's the video I want to see. I'd like to see CA ask KC "Did you do this? Why?"

Casey's fingerprints are on file. Fingerprint matching takes but a very short time.

The M.E.'s inability to determine either the cause of the death or the mechanics of death was a horrendous blow to prosecutors. If prosecutors had good news via a fingerprint match, the standard approach would be for prosecutors to release the good news on a fingeprint match at the same time that the bad news was released on the cause of death and the mechanics of death.

I would not bet that they have a fingerprint match, and they have had more than sufficient time to make that determination.

 

[faefrost]

I agree with you. Right now, I'm not feeling very optimistic about the pros chances of winning this case.

I think it's going to be a long up-hill battle. I heard one Attorney say it would have been better on the pros had the body not been found. I'm really surprised and disappointed the ME was unable to determine the cause of death.

I'm going to distance myself from this case for awhile cause I have a feeling that long up-hill battle will be painful to watch. I fear another another conclusion similar to The State of Cal. vs. OJ.

No matter what doubt the defense tries to infuse into it, or what scientific confusion they try and spew out, I don't think they will be able to escape the disaster that is the defendant, and the heart tugging factor that is the victim. OJ had a tight timeline. KC "lost" her child for a month and didn't tell anyone. That alone screams premeditation.

And no regardless what all the talking head experts are babbling about on TV, the average citizen on the average jury is smart enough to realize that no the Meter reader is not hinky, or reasonable doubt. his initial instinct about where the child might be was in fact correct, it just got discounted by an overworked LE.

the only real avenue they have is the Cause of Death, and the uncertainty there. But once again, there isn't as much wiggle room that a typical citizen will give. We have a healthy 2-3 year old with no medical issues. The child is dead through less then natural means. This is a far cry from an adult who may have left. Plus the primary caregiver has thrown such a web of lies about the child that the jury will read an intent to decieve. They will not give the defendent alot of reasonable doubt wiggle room. Regardless of specifically how the child died there is an extremely high chance they will hold the mom responsible.

 

[Ripley007]

That photo is great. I'm still laughing. Where do people get all these tiny cute
squirrel outfits? My squirrel doesn't have a thing to wear.

"My squirrel doesn't have a thing to wear"

Thank you for the laugh!:clap:

I love all these cute/funny squirrel pics too. Keep 'em coming!

 

[fla*mom]

Unless the defense can make all the evidence the prosecution has go away like the above poster said the average juror will see the truth of the matter and all of it will point directly at one person.

They were ready to go without the body now they have the body it has been dertermined to be murder not accidental now they have more evidence that has been found on/with the body that we have no idea what it is but is enought that Dr. G feels confindent to say it was murder not an accident.

 

[fuzzykpd]

the Defense will have to attack the tape and it could turn into a weapon for probably cause in support of kidnap. they will use forensic specialists to show the tape slid down from Caylee's eyes to her mouth area, thus kidnapper covered her eyes to avoid ID. Of course this track might work, If Caylee hadnt already known the supposed ZFG.

 

[Wudge]

Unless the defense can make all the evidence the prosecution has go away like the above poster said the average juror will see the truth of the matter and all of it will point directly at one person.

They were ready to go without the body now they have the body it has been dertermined to be murder not accidental now they have more evidence that has been found on/with the body that we have no idea what it is but is enought that Dr. G feels confindent to say it was murder not an accident.

Guessing was a huge mistake. It opens the M.E. up to a simply withering cross-examination.

One of the first questions on cross is likely to be: What accidental causes of death were you able to eliminate and how?

 

[miss plum]

the defence can claim the death was an accident as much as they like but the odds of a random accident happening to one of the very few children in the world whose mother won't care in the slightest are not high, are they?

 

[impatientredhead]

Guessing was a huge mistake. It opens the M.E. up to a simply withering cross-examination.

One of the first questions on cross is likely to be: What accidental causes of death were you able to eliminate and how?

Accidental homicide was not ruled out so that question would not get very far at all. That is what the undetermined part meant. Homicide means the killing of a human by a human. There are many types of homicide (Accidental, negligent, premeditated, vehicular, reckless to name a few). She didn't include or exclude any of them, including the ones that would be considered first degree or felony murder. It is up to the prosecutor to show that through other means. Totality of the evidence and all that.

 

[impatientredhead]

the defence can claim the death was an accident as much as they like but the odds of a random accident happening to one of the very few children in the world whose mother won't care in the slightest are not high, are they?

And if she was going to let them say it was an accident than she should take the deal if it is an option and stay away from a jury. Based on her nanny story the jury is not going to get to consider the option of it being accidental.

 

[Wudge]

the defence can claim the death was an accident as much as they like but the odds of a random accident happening to one of the very few children in the world whose mother won't care in the slightest are not high, are they?

The odds of any manner of accidents is not admissable evidence. Prosecutors need to prove their case via admssable evidence. What evidence links up premeditation with cause or death or mechanism of death?

 

[impatientredhead]

The odds of any manner of accidents is not admissable evidence. Prosecutors need to prove their case via admssable evidence. What evidence links up premeditation with cause or death or mechanism of death?

The ones that go like this:

My daughter was kidnapped.

versus

Not reported missing by the mother at all.
Every statement made to the police when forced to deal with missing persons report a lie.
Not one witness that support the claim that Casey was searching for her kidnapped daughter on her own.
Evidence of not just a corpse but the corpse of Caylee Anthony in defendents trunk.
Body found within 1700 feet of defendents home.
Location frequented by defendent.

And probable evidence:

Bag body found in same as bag found in defendants car.
Duct tape found around said bag same as tape in defendants vehicle.
Defendants prints on sticky side of tape.
Fibers from trunk carpet on sticky side of tape.

Computers searches for modes of death.

Closing statements: include pictures of dancing and partying Casey, and ask the jury if this is a woman who's child has been kidnapped.

Now if Casey wants to say it was an accident and you ask me how the state would show otherwise, I agree they can't with what we know, but she isn't saying that to my knowledge.

 

[Wudge]

Accidental homicide was not ruled out so that question would not get very far at all. That is what the undetermined part meant. Homicide means the killing of a human by a human. There are many types of homicide (Accidental, negligent, premeditated, vehicular, reckless to name a few). She didn't include or exclude any of them, including the ones that would be considered first degree or felony murder. It is up to the prosecutor to show that through other means. Totality of the evidence and all that.

There is no evidence that we know of to support that Caylee was killed by Casey. Nor is there evidence that we know of to support Caylee not dying alone by accident.

 

[Macushla]

Guessing was a huge mistake. It opens the M.E. up to a simply withering cross-examination.

One of the first questions on cross is likely to be: What accidental causes of death were you able to eliminate and how?

Guessing???? Oh, no, while you might not agree with her findings, you can not call what Dr. Garavaglia said 'guessing'. she said she made her determination of manner of death taking into consideration 3 different criteria and I am praphrasing here: 1) examination of the remains 2) examination of the crime scene 3) the background and circumstances surrounding this case that she was given by the different LE agencies involved. She did not guess, she made a determination based on these three areas and her years of experience as a Medical Examiner. Please dont' insult her education and experience by saying she guessed.

 

[okiedokietoo]

LE had enough evidence to charge KC with Murder before the body was found. Some of the evidence the Defense has not seen. KC has the best smoke screen type of Defense that anyone accused of Murder would pray to have. Due to the extreme publicity of this case, KC has a celebrity defense team. If there had not been the publicity with this case and it had not been on the news daily since July KC would be facing this with a Public Defender because the family could not afford what her current attorneys charge. Caylee is dead and KC has been blessed. IMO