Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #32

[GA_Peach]

The thing is I have no doubt Lucas told family this - but Lucas could of not told DCF this because Lucas was already gone when this was reported.

March 2017: Someone saw Lucas with “temporary tattoos that were hiding bruises.” Lucas was reported to have been covered “from head to toe in bruises,” according to a report to the Kansas Department for Children and Families on Feb. 19, two days after Glass told police he had disappeared. The person said Lucas had a bruise on his bottom “that looked like the shape of a clothes iron. … Lucas reportedly stated (Glass) had caused the bruises,” the document says.
Horrific new details emerge in court document about missing 5-year-old Lucas Hernandez

Lucas disappeared in February 2018. This quote was from March 2017. That was a full eleven months before Lucas was gone. It breaks my heart to think what this sweet child endured in his final years. I really get angry when I think about the fact that no one was able to save him. There were so many signs all over the place.

ETA - Was Lucas really being burned with a clothes iron? I cannot even go there.

 

[Busylady]

Lucas disappeared in February 2018. This quote was from March 2017. That was a full eleven months before Lucas was gone. It breaks my heart to think what this sweet child endured in his final years. I really get angry when I think about the fact that no one was able to save him. There were so many signs all over the place.

ETA - Was Lucas really being burned with a clothes iron? I cannot even go there.

The incident was in March 2017, but it was not reported to DCF until Feb 2018 after he was reported missing. I agree it is so sad what Lucas had to endure. I wish this report would of been made before he went missing, I don't know if DCF would of taken him out of the home, but if he had a bruise or burn mark the shape of an iron it might of been enough evidence to remove him at that time.

 

[kkdj]

It was said that EG dropped Lucas off with JO for her grandfathers funeral, covered in bruises and JO called JH about it. He then immediately had EG go back and pick him up. This has been bugging me. Why did JO let him go with EG? Could she not have stopped it? Why weren't the police called? Why wasn't he taken to urgent care for evaluation or something? Why did she call JH? I'm not picking on anyone, but these are valid questions.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I would imagine that JO called JH first because she was upset and wanted to hear from Lucas' father himself what the hell had happened to her boy.

FLA gave us an account of this incident.

Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #31

The police were called and they refused to look at him. Jonathan caught wind that he was covered in bruises and Emily was being blamed so he sent Emily to pick him up before he could be taken to the ER.

You have to remember that technically JH had custody and had nominated EG as his representative. I'm sure that it was distressing enough for all of this to be happening at the funeral of a beloved relative, perhaps they didn't want to cause an even bigger scene.

It's upsetting that the police refused to do anything. I'm sure that the people who loved Lucas are wishing they'd not allowed EG to take him home again. But there's only so much you can do while keeping within the bounds of the law.

 

[gngr~snap]

While I have no doubt Lucas was abused and perhaps not nurtured in the way a child should be, I can't help but wonder.
Based on what we have read and heard in MSM, Lucas had bruises, he had been sick for "weeks" was vomiting and needing to wear pullups.
As a pediatric nurse my mind heads straight to Type 1 juvenile diabetes.
Losing weight despite eating well, changes in levels of conciousness, stomach pain, vomiting etc.
Yes he was reportedly seen by a medical professional and there were notes provided to the school.
I doubt the validity of these.
In my mind it's lack of evidence.
No medical professional just "assumes" any symptoms like this are due to a "fall" from monkey bars or tripping over a shoelace or the flu. A workup is needed for answers.
If he was vomiting for as long as it seems, the child would experience a certain percentage of weight loss that would necessitate a hospital admission for a work up and electrolytes/ IV fluids at the very least.
X-rays, CT scans and MRI to look for serious injuries like internal bleeding or blockages.
How many siblings that he was around were experiencing similar symptoms? The "flu" is contagious. Did EG or JH have similar symptoms?
My guess is NO ONE else in the family was ill, hence the playground story had to evolve.
What if it was a combination of a severe new illness that was causing the clumsiness, the withdrawal from those around him and a possible change in his attitude, resulting in increasing discipline/abuse because he was unable to control what was happening to him?

Type 1 Diabetes Symptoms
*I can only paste one link at a time
I'll add more shortly.
MOO
Symptoms of the onset of Type 1 juvenile diabetes:
*Extreme weakness and/or tiredness
*Extreme thirst—dehydration
*Increased urination
*Abdominal pain
*Nausea and/or vomiting
*Blurry vision
*Wounds that don’t heal well
*Irritability or quick mood changes
http://www.jdrf.org/t1d-resources/symptoms/children/
Add in a father who is rarely home to observe the interaction between child and woman caring for him and a move with 2 children in tow and said father heading out if town 48 hours later, yes... it is POSSIBLE (not probable) that Lucas could have been experiencing severe ketoacidosis or extremely high blood sugars. (Hyperglycemia)
Was his urine or blood sugar ever checked?
Were his electrolytes checked?
Was he weighed at each visit?
If given Zofran( I am not familiar with children being given this medication unless it is for nausea related to chemotherapy and or radiation.)
Is there any warning for diabetic patients?
** I'll look into this. I've never heard of them, but I'm retired now so, I can't really say for 100%
I hope that ANY notes provided to the school are thoroughly ivestigated.
MOO
The person who wrote them (if truly in the medical field and qualified to authorize such a note) may also have something to hide and wrote the notes to cover their own backside
OR the notes were forged by someone with "enough" medical knowledge that someone lacking it would never second guess the explanation.

All my concerns at this moment.
They change hourly!

 

[AlwaysHopeToHelp]

I think the first question there would be really helpful now they're not going to be a trial for EG. Not just the date but the context, was Lucas actually on screen and chatting or was he in bed asleep and EG just pointed the camera at the bed for JH to whisper "goodnight, bubba".

BBM - can you imagine how haunting that would be if he was actually whispering goodnight to dead son.

 

[Kivalina]

If this is the case, how on earth could you, um, have relations, with someone who dumped your son and may have possibly killed her? He admitted himself “kids don’t just die like that” (or something to the effect) so while he said he was waiting for the autopsy to come back, EG being responsible for Lucas’ death is still an “option” on the table...
Because some men are worse than females on getting attached. I think he was and still is so deeply in love with EG nothing will kill that love for him .
Gah.

 

[newmember]

Lucas was throwing up for much longer than a regular flu patient would commonly experience. IMO

true but EG may not have told the DR Lucas was throwing up for that long. she may have said/went along with the notion it was the same flu symptoms everyone else had. so unless Lucas spoke up for himself, which sadly he probably didnt, the Dr may have thought he only vomited for a few days. and if there was only one visit.....

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Altogether possible. JH has suffered several of the most stressful life experiences one can in a short period of time. And in the public eye which magnified it and made every little fact much worse.

1. Disappearance of his 5 year old son. This happened over a 3 month period of time when he had to get up every day not knowing where Lucas was, and imagining the worst. He wanted to believe EG and I would imagine thought of her actually harming him often. He could not bring himself to face the truth and deal with the fact that she was responsible for his disappearance. He loved her and that fact is woven throughout this entire case.

2. JH was then charged with battery against EG s son. Eventually he lost his job.

3. MH, his surviving child was placed in state custody. Rightfully so, and he suffered yet another loss. In a semi public forum he learned that EG s ex knew of her mental history and extensive drug abuse.

4. EG was found not guilty if child endangerment still denying her involvement in Lucas disappearance.

5. David Marshburn and EG locates Lucas remains. I can’t imagine the emotions JH had during the 11 hour drive home from New Mexico. EG was in custody and he looked like a fool in public. I think he was really struggling to accept the fact that EG had lied. While he struggled with the truth he couldn’t reconcile his love for EG and the fact she had let him, his family and Wichita look for him. To let him lay under a bridge for 96 days while hundreds of people searched for Lucas was far beyond cruel.

I think he needed the truth and needed to hear it straight from her face to face. Most likely she lied again, to save her position (money, House, security) she saw slipping away. She couldn’t face being homeless again. Her family was done with her. They made that clear and EG knew they meant it. Jh was all she had left.



6. I think in spite of his love for her, she knew it was over and it made her angry, the most angry. And the night if June 7 she wrote the suicide notes, for added drama rolled one and slipped it into the engagement ring she would never wear as his wife.

She couldn’t face jail. She want anyone special in a cell but a perverted child abuser labeled for life as a monster. She’d show everyone, she had control to avoid it all. And she did.

EG thought about it long enough to smoke 4 cigarettes in the house. She had always gone outside to smoke or to the garage. She had given some careful thought how she would end her life.

An overdose wasn’t good enough, even though the drugs were readily available. She didnt want to just go to sleep on a high she wanted to leave JH with one lasting memory. She chose the AR. messy but permanent and meant to leave a devastating impression when JH responded to her invitation to hear the truth from her.

He would walk in and find the bloody mess that had one been the face he had loved. But it would be splattered all over the room. Buts and pieces unrecognizable to JH or anyone. That’s how she wanted JH to remember her.

And most satisfying of all for EG, No one would know the truth about what she had done to Lucas. She would never answer for her cruelty to Lucas and it would be her secret forever.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

As far as JH living with EG, I don’t think so. I honestly believe that David Marshburn worked and talked to him very hard when they were together and in the days after he found Lucas. JH May have never had anybody care enough to give advice and I think Marshburn explained some cold hard facts about EG. He may have even shared the tapes.

Maybe JH was struggling and had been in his own for a long time. His family was very disfunctional and I can’t recall hearing anything about a father. Marshburn is older and has a way about him. And I do think Marshburn s persona is genuine and caring. And I think he knew immediately exactly what EG was, a liar, manipulator, abuser and murderer. The one quality everyone overlooks about JH is his effort as a provider. He worked hard. Hard enough to move his family into an $850.00 per month home. They had 2 vehicles and spent 30% if his time at home.

Did he have it bad for EG? Baooears so. But I think he’s been forced to see the reality now. It’s goubg to take months or longer to accept the fact she fooled him. Him a tough guy who lived his kids? Yup we’ve all been there.

JH has a very long road to walk before he’s healed enough to be normal. And it takes men longer to heal from half of what this guys experienced since Feb 17.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

I’ve been here since Lucas was reported missing, not posted much, but have been following along.
I hope these questions are ok to ask.
Does anyone think one of those notes EG left behind contained any type of confession as to what happened to Lucas?
How long before autopsy results are released? I can’t believe Lucas is gone...

 

[HoldySi]

Yesterday morning on his FB page, JH "shared" a quote that says the following:

Disbelief. Numb. Frozen in time. Blank stares. Unable to think. Moving in slow motion. Living in a fog. These are just a few of the ways we respond to initial knowledge of child loss. After the numbing phase, when the thawing out begins, the pain settles on our broken hearts and the raw fear of not having our child with us takes over and controls us for a long, long time. In the meantime, society as a whole expects grieving parents to function "normally" at work, at home, and in social settings. Nothing about child loss makes sense!

 

[Squirrel85]

It was said that EG dropped Lucas off with JO for her grandfathers funeral, covered in bruises and JO called JH about it. He then immediately had EG go back and pick him up. This has been bugging me. Why did JO let him go with EG? Could she not have stopped it? Why weren't the police called? Why wasn't he taken to urgent care for evaluation or something? Why did she call JH? I'm not picking on anyone, but these are valid questions.

I think JO could have stopped it, and it wouldn't be considered parental interference. Emily wasn't Lucas' stinking parent, and if Johnathan wanted Lucas back, he would have to go get Lucas, himself. If I were JO, I would have called the police and not Johnathan. He knew about the abuse, this is why he had EG go get Lucas. He wasn't avoiding confrontation, he was avoiding being arrested.

I am not sure about the other questions. I think JO probably was in a hurry to give JH an ear full. When she should have taken him to the emergency room, and they would have notified authorities.

 

[snowshuze]

(posting from way back in the thread...)
I remember in the interview with DM, he stated he had a conversation with JH concerning guns in the home. He said with confidence there were none, so I'm assuming JH led him to believe so. So WHY was there still a weapon in the top of the closet? Things that make you go hmmmmmm

 

[hsprinkel]

Lucas disappeared in February 2018. This quote was from March 2017. That was a full eleven months before Lucas was gone. It breaks my heart to think what this sweet child endured in his final years. I really get angry when I think about the fact that no one was able to save him. There were so many signs all over the place.

ETA - Was Lucas really being burned with a clothes iron? I cannot even go there.

I know the mark you are speaking of. JO took pic. It is a mark on his bottom which resembles the tip of an iron. Not a burn.

 

[PommyMommy]

Audioboom / What happened to Lucas Hernandez? Pt 2

What happened to Lucas Hernandez? Pt 2
Tricia Griffith from Websleuths.com joins Levi Page to discuss a new twist in the Lucas Hernandez death investigation! The woman that could hold all the answers as to what happened to this 5-year-old boy committed suicide!

 

[lonetraveler]

Audioboom / What happened to Lucas Hernandez? Pt 2

What happened to Lucas Hernandez? Pt 2
Tricia Griffith from Websleuths.com joins Levi Page to discuss a new twist in the Lucas Hernandez death investigation! The woman that could hold all the answers as to what happened to this 5-year-old boy committed suicide!

Just listened and I agree with Tricia totally. I hold JH responsible for Lucas' death and hope that he is held accountable.

 

[Yellow Rose]

6. I think in spite of his love for her, she knew it was over and it made her angry, the most angry. And the night if June 7 she wrote the suicide notes, for added drama rolled one and slipped it into the engagement ring she would never wear as his wife.

She couldn’t face jail. She want anyone special in a cell but a perverted child abuser labeled for life as a monster. She’d show everyone, she had control to avoid it all. And she did.

EG thought about it long enough to smoke 4 cigarettes in the house. She had always gone outside to smoke or to the garage. She had given some careful thought how she would end her life.


Can you tell me how we know these things? Did I miss something while I was ill?

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I’ve been here since Lucas was reported missing, not posted much, but have been following along.
I hope these questions are ok to ask.
Does anyone think one of those notes EG left behind contained any type of confession as to what happened to Lucas?
How long before autopsy results are released? I can’t believe Lucas is gone...

DA indicated nothing dispositive (applicable, pertinent) to Lucas case.

Toxicology can take awhile dependent on any special/unusual tests the Coroner requested. Imo

 

[Charliegizmo49]

6. I think in spite of his love for her, she knew it was over and it made her angry, the most angry. And the night if June 7 she wrote the suicide notes, for added drama rolled one and slipped it into the engagement ring she would never wear as his wife.

She couldn’t face jail. She want anyone special in a cell but a perverted child abuser labeled for life as a monster. She’d show everyone, she had control to avoid it all. And she did.

EG thought about it long enough to smoke 4 cigarettes in the house. She had always gone outside to smoke or to the garage. She had given some careful thought how she would end her life.


Can you tell me how we know these things? Did I miss something while I was ill?

Just my scenario.