For clarity, in my opinion. "I saw". and "I last saw" mean two different things.
GZ is not testifying, IMO. She is simply telling a member of the media that she saw Kyron and the stepmother in front of his exhibit when she arrived at 8:15 a.m. and then she last saw Kyron when he posed in front of his exhibit, but no time is given for when GZ last saw Kyron posed in front of his exhibit.
The same with the witness, Alice. It's clearly stated that she saw Terri take the picture, but no time is given.
I honestly just assumed Alice and Gina were the same person. The Morris book says Alice (and her daughter Ellie) are pseudonyms, both Alice and Gina do volunteer work with the school, both their daughters were 8 and friends with Kyron and both made the same claim of seeing Kyron in the classroom with Terri taking the picture. Gina and her daughter are never mentioned by name in the book, and media quotes Gina did are matched by Alice in the book.
They have probably been asked by law enforcement not to reveal the time.
The time was stated in
"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris--8:45 a.m.
→ GZ arrived and saw Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit (8:15 a.m.)
→ GZ last saw Kyron in the morning when he posed in front of his science project (no time given)
→ Alice saw Terri take a photograph of Kyron in front of his exhibit (no time given)
→The last time Alice saw Terri and Kyron--Kyron and the stepmother were walking away by themselves (Alice left around 9 a.m.)
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Kyron and his step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, arrived at Skyline Elementary School around 8 a.m. Friday and attended a science fair at the school.
The questionnaire asked, "Did your child see Kyron's step-mom, Terri on 6/4/10, at or near the school?" It also asked about the truck she was driving the day Kyron disappeared.
www.king5.com
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8:15 a.m.
Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit.
Kyron Horman disappeared Friday, June 4 from Skyline School. Authorities have led a search since he was reported missing by his stepmother.
www.oregonlive.com
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Parent [GZ] said she last saw Kyron in the morning, when he posed in a classroom in front of his red-eyed tree frog science project. She said her daughter is one of Kyron s best friends and she knew him well.
Zimmerman said that Kyron was not the type of child to wander off. He knows 'stranger danger, she said. He's a really good kid.
Sources also told KGW Monday that police were studying Terri's cell phone records and e-mails to figure out who she's been in contact with in the months before and after Kyron's disappearance.
www.kgw.com
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On the morning of June 4, Alice and [E] were in the children’s classroom, as were Terri and Kyron. Alice saw Terri take a photograph of Kyron standing in front of his tree frog exhibit.
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Alice left around 9 a.m. for her job at a restaurant. The last time Alice saw Terri and Kyron was after Terri took the photo of [E]. Kyron and his stepmother were walking away by themselves, presumably to view some of the other science projects.
"Boy Missing · The Search for Kyron Horman" by Rebecca Morris
There is actually
another source that gives an approximate time for the picture: 8:30, also Gina Zimmerman. Bear in mind, this is half a year later, and if Gina/Alice is to be believed, she was already suspecting Terri by then.
The thing is, I can vaguely see why an 8:45 timestamp for the picture would be appealing to Desiree. It would mean that when Terri left the classroom she could have said "taking him to an appointment" to fool Porter while not risking being seen wandering the school with Kyron for the next 15 minutes. Remember in her
email, Terri is obviously claiming that it was her final words as she left that were misinterpreted by the teacher.
“The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with Kitty for a doctor’s appt.,” she wrote on June 5, 2010. “I said I was going to look at other exhibits - how do you mess that up?
That's two completely different sets of actions, and if she intended to visit other exhibits for 15-20 minutes before leaving, Terri's words in the email would make little sense in a guilt-centric narrative. But if Terri left immediately, it would work, however she was seen elsewhere in the school, so now the final conversation with Porter has to postdate that. Hence the second visit to the classroom, the second posing by the project and picture-taking.
It is, of course, incredibly convoluted and contrived, and relies entirely on the words of a single person - Desiree, nine years later, who wasn't there.
Another place it falters is that Gina/Alice, who is quoted in the book as believing in Terri's guilt, never thinks it would be pertinent to mention Terri's two visits to the classroom and that the second ended with the school bell. The students were supposed to be put into groups, yet Terri just walks away with Kyron in front of Porter, Gina/Alice and everyone? It makes sense if it happened between 8:15 and 8:30. It doesn't make sense if it happened at 8:45.
Yet another place it falters is that we have
actual witness testimony that Kyron was supposed to be in a group.
Eight-year-old [TP] says the first person to notice Kyron Horman missing was a substitute teacher who was taking a head count as the second and third grade class was re-assembling after visiting other classrooms for a science fair at Skyline School last Friday.
"And she was like 'oh no where's Kyron there's only five' and Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says {TP].
Yet Porter didn't say that Kyron was going with his mother. Why, if she walked away with him just as the groups were supposed to be formed?
Still yet another place it falters is that if initially said she took the picture at 8:45 (as Desiree claims), why would she ever change that time? She had to know the picture was timestamped. This is a common thread in Desiree's late-coming new "facts" - the supposed email, the photo - they supposedly provide actual undeniable evidence that Terri denies, yet she would absolutely have known about.
Everything else points to Terri and Kyron beginning at 213, then going around the school, and never returning to 213 together. Desiree is the only one who has ever disagreed.
Everything that we've been told by Terri is a lie, in my opinion.
The problem with this - especially with the factoids the Morris book brings - is that people lie for reasons. They don't lie just for the fun of it.
And the picture painted by the supposed lies of Terri is utterly without reason. If she lied, she would have lied to fit the evidence she knew about.
The email, the 8:50 witnesses, the photo time-stamp, they make for compelling headlines, but when you try to fit them into everything that was revealed in the early stages of the investigation, they just don't fit.
I believe she took the picture of Kyron in his classroom, in front of his science project at 8:45 a.m., and then she left the classroom with him under the pretense of visiting other science projects. That's why Kyron never joined the "parent-led" group he was supposed to join. He was with her. When they got close to the front door, she made him leave with her. He was timid and obedient--and probably terrified of her--so he did what she said. She had told the teacher beforehand that he had a doctor's appointment, so when rollcall was finally taken the teacher didn't question his absence. She assumed he had visited the other projects with Terri and they had immediately left for the doctor's appointment without returning to his classroom. Like any normal teacher would assume with an email to support their assumption.
Which a. doesn't match the actual witness account by TP or b. reality, since such an email would not exist.
The return of the library books and the visit with Kyron's 1st-grade teacher on the bottom floor were done before 8:45 a.m. and both the returning of the books and the visit were done for the same reason she took the picture--to have proof that she had "dropped Kyron off" at school. As well as leaving his coat and backpack in his classroom.
So she took Kyron to 213, had him pose with the project (and presumably didn't take a picture), then walked around, visited Kyron's old teacher, walked back up, had Kyron pose a second time with the project, take a picture, then leave with Kyron for a tour despite the chaperone-led groups being formed.
And all this happened in front of Gina/Alice (who sees Terri telling her about the June 11th appointment as her asking Gina/Alice to lie) and she doesn't see fit to mention it when interviewed by Rebecca Morris? And if she did, why didn't Morris mention it? It can't be for investigative reasons, since she's had no problem revealing the (supposed) sighting of Kyron and Terri outside at 8:50 - even giving the name of a witness, a minor! - and all manner of other details.
Law enforcement doesn't mind if she lies to the print media and to Dr. Phil and to People magazine. They can subpoena all of that and use it against her at trial. (Remember Jodi Arias primping for her big TV special and saying she would never harm Travis).
But they won't.
Bolded by me: "Desiree, three years ago, claiming it as a new revelation based on "technology","
Is there a link for the above?
Here it is mentioned. I checked the
podcast for the full quote.
No, I know for sure, 100%, the picture was taken in the school. It's GPS, it's confirmed, it's verified. We know exactly what time she took the picture, where she was at, and it's confirmed with technology. So she was in the school, at 8:45, taking that photo of Kyron in front of his exhibit.
Granted, this could just be Desiree's fairly sloppy way of giving information, but it sure reads like technology has given the new time for that picture. This is not mentioned in the book.