Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.14.17 - Day 15

[EspressoBean]

Millard asks if she ever tested to see if this was actually just one object in the incinerator. Rogers says she didn't hypothesize that. "If it were a single object, that would change the nature of your investigation?" Millard asks. Rogers says yes.
by Adam Carter 10:47 AM

Millard asks if it would have been better for her to see the bone in person. Rogers says it's quite common to work from a photograph.
by Adam Carter 10:48 AM

Great question, Captain Obvious.

 

[Kamille]

"The best case scenario would be for you to have the bone in front of you?" Millard asks. "Ideally, yes," Rogers says.
by Adam Carter 10:49 AM

 

[Inspector_North]

Millard asks if it would have been better for her to see the bone in person. Rogers says it's quite common to work from a photograph.
by Adam Carter 10:48 AM

Who does DM think he is? Lee Berger?

 

[Kamille]

Millard now asking Rogers about when she's taking pictures for identification. She says she'd make sure there was a good resolution, the image was sharp, and would include a ruler for scale. "This photograph doesn't have any of that, does it?" Millard asks. "It does not," Rogers says. "It's a very poor photograph to do an identification on, isn't it? Millard asks. Rogers agrees.
by Adam Carter 10:50 AM

 

[paris_paris]

Tealgrove, I couldn’t agree more with what you said in the previous thread. A crime may or may not have been committed, but LE still investigate in order to locate missing persons or find out what happened to them. They did not for Laura.

This is hardly an isolated incident either. LE across our nation have been guilty of not investigating the disappearances or deaths of marginalized or vulnerable people for years. We can’t make excuses or turn a blind eye to this issue.

Can we keep this discussion out of the trial thread please? It has nothing to do with information we're receiving today.

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
Rogers prefers to have a bone in front of her to identify, but she also works with photos, often sent by forensics officers in the field. They prefer sharp resolution and a tape measure in the shot. #LauraBabcock

 

[Kamille]

Millard now asking about how she took measurements from this photo. Rogers now showing a picture of a grid overlay on the photo that she used for scale.
by Adam Carter 10:52 AM

Millard asks her how she used the grid to make measurements. Rogers says each square in the grid is two inches, and she used them to figure out the approximate size of each bone.
by Adam Carter 10:53 AM

 

[Jealoushe]

Millard now asking about how she took measurements from this photo. Rogers now showing a picture of a grid overlay on the photo that she used for scale.
by Adam Carter 10:52 AM

Millard asks her how she used the grid to make measurements. Rogers says each square in the grid is two inches, and she used them to figure out the approximate size of each bone.
by Adam Carter 10:53 AM

She already explained this....I don't get why he is asking her and the other experts how they know their job, it was already explained why they are there and their training.

 

[Kamille]

"Would you care to say then that you eyeballed this in the case of the blue grid?" Millard asks. "Yes, and used a ruler," Rogers asks. Millard asks what degree of error is involved there. "That would be difficult to assess," Rogers says.
by Adam Carter 10:54 AM

Millard asks what degree of error is involved in the grid itself. Rogers says it may be off by half an inch one way or another.
by Adam Carter 10:55 AM

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
1m1 minute ago
Now looking at the virtual grid over the burning eliminator photo. Rogers is explaining how she used the grid to determine the size of the objects she was looking at. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
1m1 minute ago
What's the degree of error, #Millard wants to know, with that process? Rogers says it would be difficult to guess, and that's why she refers to her findings as an estimate, she says. #LauraBabcock

 

[Tealgrove]

"Would you care to say then that you eyeballed this in the case of the blue grid?" Millard asks. "Yes, and used a ruler," Rogers asks. Millard asks what degree of error is involved there. "That would be difficult to assess," Rogers says.
by Adam Carter 10:54 AM

She's not giving him anything. Good for her.

 

[Kamille]

She already explained this....I don't get why he is asking her and the other experts how they know their job, it was already explained why they are there and their training.

Probably what all the legal arguments were about this morning. And it appears that arguing with DM is just pointless so then they just let him have at it? :waitasec:

MOO

 

[Busymom4]

Millard now asking Rogers about when she's taking pictures for identification. She says she'd make sure there was a good resolution, the image was sharp, and would include a ruler for scale. "This photograph doesn't have any of that, does it?" Millard asks. "It does not," Rogers says. "It's a very poor photograph to do an identification on, isn't it? Millard asks. Rogers agrees.
by Adam Carter 10:50 AM

I knew he was going to do this!! That's why he was so on all the forensic photographers before and discussing not using a cell phone to take pics for evidence!!

 

[Kamille]

Rogers says the grid was created by Toronto police, and they told her that the variation level was plus or minus half an inch.
by Adam Carter 10:57 AM

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
The grid is plus or minus half an inch, which means it may have a half inch error, or no error, in the size it represents, Rogers says. "So first, our own measurement system has an error built in," #Millard says

 

[Kamille]

Millard now asking about the two bones that Rogers used as reference for human and deer bones. We saw those last week.
by Adam Carter 10:58 AM

She's answer questions about the average range of size for human and deer bones.
by Adam Carter 10:59 AM

 

[Tealgrove]

Rogers says the grid was created by Toronto police, and they told her that the variation level was plus or minus half an inch.
by Adam Carter 10:57 AM

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
The grid is plus or minus half an inch, which means it may have a half inch error, or no error, in the size it represents, Rogers says. "So first, our own measurement system has an error built in," #Millard says

DM is not letting go here at all. Actually he can't. IF he has any hope of creating doubt this is the place. He must create doubt that those are NOT human bones in that Incinerator. This, right here, is do or die for him.

Dr. Rogers is going to stick to her guns. She knows that those are human bones in there.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

"One of the problems we face here is when you start combining variations of the grid ... with the averages of humans and the averages of deer ... all these measurements, potentially, could end up on the same number?" Millard says. Rogers says she was concerned about the issue of "compound error" herself.
by Adam Carter 11:02 AM

"There are concerns with potential error that I tried to address," Rogers says.
by Adam Carter 11:02 AM

 

[Kamille]

"You can tell us that this doesn't appear to be fish bones?" Millard asks. "I can tell you that, yes," Rogers says.
by Adam Carter 11:04 AM

"What other possible species did you test the alternatives for?" Millard asks. Rogers says she only compared two, human and deer. "I wasn't given any reason to compare any others."
by Adam Carter 11:04 AM

 

[Kamille]

Millard now asking about how burning affects human bones.
by Adam Carter 11:05 AM

 

[Kamille]

Rogers says those bones can crack, twist or warp when burned. Millard asks if that could "change the dimensions of the bones." Rogers says yes.
by Adam Carter 11:06 AM