Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.28.17 - Day 23

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He's already lost my respect. What expert would think a long bone could look like ribs?
 
This witness appears to be saying that he is of the opinion that the photo shows bones, but either human or animal. Does DM think the jury will believe this non-committal statement over a much more definitive statement from a previous witness who is significantly more qualified in this specific area? Grasping at straws with little other defense, I see.
 

Millard now zooms into the image, two circles are on the screen, labelled A and B.

Linda Babcock, Laura's mother who sits in the front row as she has since the trial started, keeps her eyes closed for a few moments. She's not looking at the large flat screens in the courtroom.
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Millard, "Let me make sure I've got this as zoomed in as far as I can."
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Lisa Hepfner‏
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Rufalo says another bone looks like the end of a humerus. He's describing some of the characteristics. #Millard zooms in on the bones so the image gets larger on court screens #LauraBabcock

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Justice Code tells #Millard he's not using the best image of the bones, but whatever. #LauraBabcock
 
Velma said:

Millard now zooms into the image, two circles are on the screen, labelled A and B.

Linda Babcock, Laura's mother who sits in the front row as she has since the trial started, keeps her eyes closed for a few moments. She's not looking at the large flat screens in the courtroom.
by Shannon Martin 10:47 AM

Millard, "Let me make sure I've got this as zoomed in as far as I can."
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Rufalo says another bone looks like the end of a humerus. He's describing some of the characteristics. #Millard zooms in on the bones so the image gets larger on court screens #LauraBabcock

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Justice Code tells #Millard he's not using the best image of the bones, but whatever. #LauraBabcock
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LOL did the judge really say "but whatever"?
 
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"Spooling" he would expect to see on deer bones, Rufalo says. He says it seems to be visible in the image. #LauraBabcock
 
Velma said:
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"Spooling" he would expect to see on deer bones, Rufalo says. He says it seems to be visible in the image. #LauraBabcock
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Perhaps it was a mix of LB and animal bones in the incinerator? I doubt it, but the thought just crossed my mind. Have we already debated this here at WS?
 
Typhoo1961 said:
Those pesky 'deer' dying left and right on the farm. They were piling up ya know.
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Crown should have asked Chaz Main how many dead deer he has comes across on Millard's farm. He seemed to be the only one that knew the farm like the back of his hand. Those dirt bikers are very observant. Would have been more relevant than the day camp worker. MOO
 
IMO that depends on how much he is getting paid, he is a hired gun in my opinion at this point.
 
Inspector_North said:
Crown should have asked Chaz Main how many dead deer he has come across on Millard's farm. He seemed to be the only one that knew the farm like the back of his hand. Those dirt bikers are very observant. Would have been more relevant than the day camp worker. MOO
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Good point! That would have been a useful one to introduce.
 
Lisa Hepfner‏
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Rufalo is using the technology to circle in red what he says looks like spooling on a bone in the incinerator. #LauraBabcock.

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From what I can see of the end, of the bone ,it's consistent w upper arm bone of deer, sheep, goat, pig, moose.
 
Inspector_North said:
Crown should have asked Chaz Main how many dead deer he has come across on Millard's farm. He seemed to be the only one that knew the farm like the back of his hand. Those dirt bikers are very observant. Would have been more relevant than the day camp worker. MOO
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Would they have had to bring in the reason they were searching his farm then? Or can that just be glossed over, like Dr. Rogers being inside the Eliminator?
 
What in the actual %$^& is Millard trying to accomplish here? This dude gives me a headache.....I seriously don't get it.....MOO

ETA - never mind....he found a point.....
 

Rufolo talks about a "spool like shape" of the bones in the image. He says spooling is consistent with deer bones.

Millard, "Would this be consistent with a moose?"
Rufolo says that's too big. He says it's more like a white-tail deer, or a sheep or goat.

Rufolo says it's important for him to clarify:

"I'm offering an opinion here based on a very poor quality image." He talks about shadow, light. "What I see there is in my opinion is quite consistent with deer. He doesn't easily match with human bones."


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Deer, sheep and goats are the animals that would have spooling on the bones, Rufalo. He was aware of the scale of the photo when he was forming his opinions. #Millard apologizes for his pronunciation of artiodactyl. He's working on it. #LauraBabcock

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Rufalo says the bone doesn't easily match human bones, if he's accurately judged from the photo. #LauraBabcock
 
It appears that DM is in the middle of the ocean, in a canoe with no paddles and a hole in the canoe, smh
 
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Dr just ruled out a moose bone, too large but could be deer, or sheep, goat. Qualified that his opinion is based on a poor quality photo. Doesn't easily match a human bone.
Not a human bone.
 
Velma said:
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Rufalo is using the technology to circle in red what he says looks like spooling on a bone in the incinerator. #LauraBabcock.

marianne boucher‏
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From what I can see of the end, of the bone ,it's consistent w upper arm bone of deer, sheep, goat, pig, moose.
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Well, he certainly is an expert narrowing it all down like this, possibility of Sheep, Deer, Goat, Pig, Moose??? Really Moose and pig are in the running???
 
Caryn Lieberman is also tweeting today it seems, read bottom to top (sorry!):

Caryn Lieberman‏Verified account @caryn_lieberman
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“They certainly do appear to be bones.”
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Caryn Lieberman‏Verified account @caryn_lieberman
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Two bones shown but Rufolo says “hard to say with certainty we have long bones there or just two ribs.”
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Caryn Lieberman‏Verified account @caryn_lieberman
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Rufolo - and court - is being shown a photograph of the incinerator.
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Caryn Lieberman‏Verified account @caryn_lieberman
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Dr. Rufolo will testify as expert witness for Dellen #Millard.
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“His expertise in archaeology.. in particular his work in zoo archaeology has given him a sufficient training,” says Justice Code.
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Caryn Lieberman‏Verified account @caryn_lieberman
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This witness for the defence offers training workshops for law enforcement on “how to distinguish human bone from not.”
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Caryn Lieberman‏Verified account @caryn_lieberman
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Dr. Rufolo currently works at the Canadian museum of nature in Ottawa. He is a witness for Dellen #Millard.
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Caryn Lieberman‏Verified account @caryn_lieberman
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#Millard has called Dr. Rufolo as his witness. An expert in zoo archaeology.
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Caryn Lieberman‏Verified account @caryn_lieberman
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Yesterday’s piece on Dellen Millard who opened his defence in the Laura Babcock murder trial
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Caryn Lieberman‏Verified account @caryn_lieberman
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Back in the courtroom. #Millard opened his defence yesterday. Details to come when the jury enters the room.
 
Stratocaster said:
It appears that DM is in the middle of the ocean, in a canoe with no paddles and a hole in the canoe, smh
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Let him thrash about in the water, but most of us know he won't make it to shore.
 
Busymom4 said:
Quick question, Is this man here of his own volition and is he being paid as an expert witness? Does any one have experience with how much an expert witness costs? I can't imagine they do this out of the goodness of their heart?
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It really depends on the expert and the extent of their report and evidence but figure on at least $5k for the report and then $5k to $10k for testifying.
 
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What I see there is in my opinion quite consistent with a deer .. says #Millard witness based on photo of incinerator.

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The pattern of shadow indicates a possible depression in the bone, which is characteristic of deer bones, Rufalo says. #LauraBabcock
 
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