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At the end of this trial if CW has not come up with any more convincing evidence of KR's guilt and there is a hung jury (a real possibility) then CW. going to have to think long and hard before doing this all over again expecting different results.
"experts" say a lot of things. often in trials you'll see "experts" saying the exact opposite things. OJ's defense had "expert" witnesses aplenty.'angry girlfriend did not run over boyfriend in a moment of late-night alcohol-assisted anger'
- the actual experts
exactly. it doesn't make a lick of sense... which is why you should be asking questions about the validity of that "deletion" data and trying to decide if it even fits with respect to other activity.It's interesting to see some attempts to connect KR's behavior in Aruba with the death of JOK while dismissing or ignoring Jennifer McCabe's actions the night/morning in question.
I asked before but I will ask again. Who deletes a 911 call?
Oh, wait I know the answer. Jennifer McCabe
Yes so much of this is true. And I think the following point is paramount:I think you are right. However, any case, no matter how it ends (and I assume, things look very different from the jury box), should be a learning experience.
Here: if KR did hit JO and caused his death and she walks free, then, it only shows to us that any investigation should be performed according to the rules, and "he's a cop, his house is off-limits" approach is going to backfire, and badly so.
As to KR: I absolutely disapprove of her involving TB into the investigation and dragging in this mob of his followers. However, as a human, a woman, I do have an intuitive feeling that she had the reason to be upset about how the relationship with JO was ending. That part I understand.
Anyhow, no winners here, and JO lost his life, and his wards are orphaned again. Too sad.
"experts" say a lot of things. often in trials you'll see "experts" saying the exact opposite things. OJ's defense had "expert" witnesses aplenty.
exactly. it doesn't make a lick of sense... which is why you should be asking questions about the validity of that "deletion" data and trying to decide if it even fits with respect to other activity.
I want to put another thing out there... and this may hurt feelings of some who support the accused... but there is a lot of negative talk about the demeanor of the victim's witnesses. Understand... not only did KR kill JO (their friend)... but she's also got her lawyer - not just trying to get her off - but actively trying to pin the murder on JO's friends or their family.
Do you get the difference? From their perspective... KR has to be considered the lowest of human scum and it's pretty obvious why some are going to bristle at accusatory questions from her defense team or respond with emotion and hostility.
I was called for jury duty a year ago and they called us all separately to do the voir dire and they put me on the stand. It was a nerve wrecking experience being up there. I couldn’t remember the answers to a couple basic questions. I can’t EVEN IMAGINE what it’s like for these witnesses under these circumstances."experts" say a lot of things. often in trials you'll see "experts" saying the exact opposite things. OJ's defense had "expert" witnesses aplenty.
exactly. it doesn't make a lick of sense... which is why you should be asking questions about the validity of that "deletion" data and trying to decide if it even fits with respect to other activity.
I want to put another thing out there... and this may hurt feelings of some who support the accused... but there is a lot of negative talk about the demeanor of the victim's witnesses. Understand... not only did KR kill JO (their friend)... but she's also got her lawyer - not just trying to get her off - but actively trying to pin the murder on JO's friends or their family.
Do you get the difference? From their perspective... KR has to be considered the lowest of human scum and it's pretty obvious why some are going to bristle at accusatory questions from her defense team or respond with emotion and hostility.
I think this is a great question. I haven't read the explicit answer, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the idea that KR knew she hit JO... and then left him in the snow w/o calling 911... alerting anyone... etc.. and he died.Even if KR might have accidentally backed into JOK, why is the case charged as done? Is there not an involuntary manslaughter type charge available in MA, Canton? IANAL. MOO
IANAL and don’t disagree. Good thoughts and points. I think though, intent would be a key operative here. And I don’t mean possibly realizing something after the fact. If that even is the case here. I believe those two factors - intent vs. realization - differ.I think this is a great question. I haven't read the explicit answer, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the idea that KR knew she hit JO... and then left him in the snow w/o calling 911... alerting anyone... etc.. and he died.
Maybe others can confirm or offer more?
MOO
By the fact that Judge Bev allowed all the testimony of the victims of harassment ( Caitlyn and Jen McCabe ) which is currently in court awaiting trial, in THIS TRIAL, she allowed very prejudicial and harmful statements to come in regarding Karen Read. This should never have been allowed in. Her little speeches and admonishments and stipulations aside, the Bell has been rung. The poor jury heard it all. They saw it all. The tears, the scowls, the anger, the accusations all towards the defense and specifically Karen Read.
If KR somehow through this mess of a trial gets convicted, it will be turned over on appeal.
Think about this also. Judge Bev insisted on keeping the FBI investigation and current State IA investigation a secret. The poor jury has been left to their own imagination and inference on any of that business. But yet, This was allowed? Highly prejudicial.
MOO
RSBM.There is no evidence that John O’Keefe entered that house and that he got beat up once there and was dragged outside and left to die.
Can you explain the FBI investigation? You don't think that might mean something here doesn't quite add up?I’m also guessing the charge has to do with the level of injury John suffered. It doesn’t seem like an accidental bump. And if it’s not accidental then it was intentional.
@Dre I can’t explain the deletions on the phone. I don’t know what it means.
How would owner's identity be relevant to the trial? Not really sure what youre asking.Random thought.
Was the owner of the dog that Allie McCabe picked up and brought to the Canton PD ever identified? Supposedly they happened to appear as she showed up at the station...
I am not fully onboard with the suggestion that has been made that Allie took Chloe with her when she picked up Colin.How would owner's identity be relevant to the trial? Not really sure what youre asking.
According to testimony it was a small white dog IIRC. Not super descriptive I know but from memory all that happenned priot to AMcC getting the text to go pick up CA. Not clear on precise timing via testimony. My guess is it was simply elicited by prosecution to establish AMc's movements earlier in the evening and nothing more. jmo
I think this is a great question. I haven't read the explicit answer, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the idea that KR knew she hit JO... and then left him in the snow w/o calling 911... alerting anyone... etc.. and he died.
Maybe others can confirm or offer more?
The suggestion is that Caitlan Albert took the dog when her bf Tristan picked her up. That was much later, closer to 2amI am not fully onboard with the suggestion that has been made that Allie took Chloe with her when she picked up Colin.
But it has been suggested the lost dog story is just a story. That is why I ask.
Well, I'm sure if you ask her, she just didn't want her butt to be randomly dialing 911.It's interesting to see some attempts to connect KR's behavior in Aruba with the death of JOK while dismissing or ignoring Jennifer McCabe's actions the night/morning in question.
I asked before but I will ask again. Who deletes a 911 call?
Oh, wait I know the answer. Jennifer McCabe
I'm actually reasonably sure that's exactly what happened. Tristan's return makes no sense at all and was really never explained. BA Sr.'s comment about Chloe maybe being in a closet is almost laughable, Chloe had no reaction to all the activity on the front lawn as her owners claim they never heard a thing, and Jen McCabe burst into the house and then the bedroom and somehow never heard nor saw the dog.I am not fully onboard with the suggestion that has been made that Allie took Chloe with her when she picked up Colin.