Mexico Mexico - David Hartley, 30, Lake Falcon, 30 Sept 2010 #1

[sorrell skye]

Video interview from Oct. 7th.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2010/10/07/jvm.hartley.lake.shooting.hln

 

[dodie20]

these are a few of my problems with her story...they were sightseeing a church, & then she said something to the effect of God telling her to leave. Her using religion doesn't make me a believer. It just so happened, they were in Mexico, (barely), & a lot of people think it's easier to get away with murder there. & then her story telling sounded so fake to me. no tears, no shock, no tremors. & on CNN she said he was shot in the back of the head, but in another clip, when describing the murder, she pointed to her forhead. & these pirates were such good shots, they got him, but couldn't get her? & were indesicive, while she was still, but started shooting at her, after she took off? I'm not necessarily thinking she killed him, because there are so many insurance scams, & this couple is young enough to think they'd thought of a great plan, that nobody had ever thought of before. ummm hmmm...but I would think she'd have her details thought out a little better before hand, because she's really tripping up. She reminds me of a combination of Pamela Smart, (teacher who got a student to kill her husband), & that Mary lady who killed her preacher husband.

 

[alsmom]

I wonder if this story got bigger than she (and possibly he, on the fence about that) imagined it would and her in-laws are pushing for her to go on all these shows. I can't imagine why she would say pirates were hiding her husband and the jet ski. The jet ski would have been their only haul. What else were they taking? If they wanted his jet ski, why didn't they take hers too. I mean there supposedly was three boats of pirates from what I heard. It makes no sense. Her whole story makes no sense and is making even less sense the more she talks and contradicts herself. I would think if she had killed him for insurance money she would have dragged the body back to shore. Jeez, I can't even make sense trying to write about it. :crazy: what's wrong with the law enforcement that she told her story to in the States. Sounds loony.

 

[bessie]

The dots, appear exactly what boats in the water look like to me from an airplane. Is that too simple? :waitasec:

The truth might be simple, but never "too" simple. I totally agree. Looks just like boats clustered in a good fishing spot on the water when viewed from an airplane.

 

[bessie]

http://www.reporterherald.com/news_story.asp?ID=29653

“We were just tourists looking at a church,” she said. “I want (the violence) to stop. It’s stupid."

IDK, but "stupid" would not be my first (or 2nd or even 3rd) word of choice to describe an event involving homicidal border violence that had just taken the life of my beloved husband of 8 years. In fact, the word "stupid" wouldn't even be on my mind at all - if I was describing such a traumatic event.

I can think of a few other words to describe the kind of violence that Tiffany claims occurred, (and I'm inclined to believe that I'm not so very different from the average human being).

"I want the violence to stop. It's stupid."

???????

JMO

Well, of course you wouldn't Sorrel Skye because you're not immature and...well...stupid. And I don't know that Tiffany H. is, either. I do know that generally, when I hear the word "stupid" used to describe a severe and complex situation, the speaker is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

For that matter, travelling into infested waters without an escort is pretty stupid, too. The couple knew the area and had even lived across the border. Familarity is sometimes a bad thing because with it comes a false sense of security. Is that why they were so brazen? I don't know enough about the couple's past to make a fair assessment, but I wonder if they were usually so cavalier. I have friends who are quite adventuresome but also prudent. And while I'm not familiar with this particular locale, I know from personal experience that in similar situations one can usually hire a guide who's a local and known to the thugs, because even thugs will step aside and allow a compatriot to make a few American dollars. So again, was it normal for the Hartleys to be so reckless? If so, the wife's story is more believable.

I dunno...this one's definitely got some hink going, but I'm not convinced she's lying.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez said Mrs Hartley's story was so incredible that at first he wondered if she had concocted it as a cover story after murdering her husband himself.

But, he said, further investigation placed her in the clear.

He said she was unable to stop sobbing when he spoke with her on Thursday afternoon, and kept asking where her husband's body was.

'She was terrified,' he told the newspaper. 'At this time, I can safely say she had nothing to do with her husband's death.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rates-Falcon-Lake.html?ITO=1490#ixzz11jkSBynz

So because she seemed "terrified" and because she "was unable to stop sobbing... and kept asking where her husband's body was" the Sheriff can "safely say that she had nothing to do with her husband's death"?!

Is this the extent of the investigation that this Sheriff conducted before coming to his conclusion? Observing *sobbing* and listening to a woman exclaim "where is my husband's body"?!

What? Your not convinced? Tears didn't change your mind? I thought tears were pivotal investigation gauge of innocence....eyeroll.....

 

[Linda7NJ]

Authorities: 'Info' Indicates U.S. Woman Had No Role in Husband's Death on Border Lake

An American woman isn't being identified by as a suspect in her husband's death on a Mexican border lake, U.S. investigators said, tamping down speculation about the credibility of her story.

U.S. law enforcement officials said Thursday that they have undisclosed "information" leading them to believe Tiffany Harley had no criminal involvement in an alleged attack on her husband on Lake Falcon, a 60-mile-long lake that connects Texas with Mexico.

"Information has surfaced that we can't disclose at this time that she didn’t commit any kind of offense," Cuellar told reporters.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/0...h-american-tourist-began-week-alleged-pirate/

I think people need to give it a rest with ripping her apart! JMHO

On undisclosed information? I will remain skeptical until it's produced. This case has become a political tool for funding for border control. I see LOTS of motive for siding with her.

 

[Tuffy]

On undisclosed information? I will remain skeptical until it's produced. This case has become a political tool for funding for border control. I see LOTS of motive for siding with her.

You're exactly right, Linda. This got real political in short order. The thing is, I'm all for increased border security. I'm somewhat of a Gov. Perry fan. I don't agree with him, and others, that say we cannot question her story. So I guess, I'm on the wrong side right now, lol.

Like a lot of WS members here, if a story doesn't add up, or make sense, I start questioning things. In the end, her story may be what actually did happen. Criminals can be stupid, and real life doesn't always make sense. Until I hear more though, I remain skeptical.

 

[Hopeful One]

Okay so he was too big for her to get him onto her jet ski but she could flip him over??? Seriously??? And this is deep water, correct? How is that even possible? There is NO WAY I could flip my husband over, especially without having any footing to stablize myself.

The video above (first time I've seen it) just reeks of lies, IMO. She seems very scripted, like she has everything planned out what she wants to say.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

Okay so he was too big for her to get him onto her jet ski but she could flip him over??? Seriously??? And this is deep water, correct? How is that even possible? There is NO WAY I could flip my husband over, especially without having any footing to stablize myself.

The video above (first time I've seen it) just reeks of lies, IMO. She seems very scripted, like she has everything planned out what she wants to say.

Right. The fact she was literally out there treading water/floating when she flipped her husband over is really unbelievable to me. She also tried to get him up onto her jetski..and I don't know how she could even try that as well.

I agree. It seems too scripted. That's why I'm almost convinced that this is something her and David plotted to get life insurance money.

 

[oh_gal]

I would like to post a link to the blog of a well known "lie detector" person, but don't know if I am allowed, of if that is a violation of the TOS here. (I emaied a mod, but haven't heard back). Can anyone tell me if it's ok? I always enjoy reading her "take" on people, and she has a "take" on this case.

 

[spiderweb]

I haven't posted here in a while, I was mostly involved in the Caylee forum, but the Hartley story is digging at me way too much!

If you watch the interview TH gave to Greta Van Susteren, there are a few things that catch attention. First, she said that she went to her husband to get him "back" on the jet ski...which would imply that he had already been on her jet ski. Another thing is that she says someone came near her "boat" and not her jet ski. Kind of odd...unless she actually, at some point, was on a boat that day? Some of the other things I've noticed: she said it was a very short period of time while she turned her husband over and tried to get him on her jet ski and then got out of there (at God's recommendation), but she was also begging the "pirates" not to shoot her? And she saw a gun pointed at her during that time? And then she had to pass the pirates in order to escape but doesn't know how close she actually came to them?

If her story is true then I have nothing but the utmost sympathy and compassion for what she and her husband just went through...

BUT

For the right price, it wouldn't have been impossible to "arrange" to have a boat "chase" her back into US waters and be seen by the eyewitness; and

how do we even know that there were two jet skis? How do we even know that her husband was out on the water with her that day?

How long does it take to get an insurance payout if there is no recovery of a body?

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I believe her.

I live in Texas and have friends that travel to Mexico to visit family. It is a different world over there. There are parts of the country where the Mexican nationals won't go because the bandits will attack them.

When a person is wearing a life jacket, they are almost weightless in the water. You can pull, push and flip them over. When you try to lift them out of the water, they are no longer weightless. From my Red Cross Lifesaving Class 101.

I also have an opinion on why she was spared. I believe it is very possible they thought she was a child. She is very small and could easily be mistaken for a young girl, especially with a life jacket on.

My prayers are with her, her family and friends.

 

[WellDone]

You are definitely right!

BBM:

I believe her.

I live in Texas and have friends that travel to Mexico to visit family. It is a different world over there. There are parts of the country where the Mexican nationals won't go because the bandits will attack them.

When a person is wearing a life jacket, they are almost weightless in the water. You can pull, push and flip them over. When you try to lift them out of the water, they are no longer weightless. From my Red Cross Lifesaving Class 101.

I also have an opinion on why she was spared. I believe it is very possible they thought she was a child. She is very small and could easily be mistaken for a young girl, especially with a life jacket on.

My prayers are with her, her family and friends.

 

[JDzWife]

I am on the fence about this story. My hinky meter is pendulating. Skimming the TV lately, I have caught her interviews on quite a few channels, getting her story out and begging for help.

My big problem with her and her story is how unbelievably calm her demeanor is. If that were MY husband and I had to go through this horrendous, traumatic experience, first of all, I would NOT be on every station, and secondly, I would absolutely NOT be that calm. Almost reminds me of a Chatty Cathy.

The memorial... why so soon? Why make it a public affair just yet??

IF her story is truthful and happened exactly the way she is telling everyone, I apologize for being skeptical and will feel badly. Thing is, there are so many things going wrong in the world today.. you can't just believe everything you hear from everyone.

 

[Tuffy]

I would like to post a link to the blog of a well known "lie detector" person, but don't know if I am allowed, of if that is a violation of the TOS here. (I emaied a mod, but haven't heard back). Can anyone tell me if it's ok? I always enjoy reading her "take" on people, and she has a "take" on this case.

I think I know who you mean because I read her blog also. I think I found out about her here, from the Caylee Anthony forum.

I watched the Greta interview with the Tiffany. The husband's (David) sister is with her. Tiffany sounds very composed and calm while recounting the day her husband was gunned down for no reason right in front of her. She even manages a little smile at one point. She smiles when Greta asks her how close she was to the boats as she fled back to safety.

The sister, however, sounds devastated the entire time she is speaking. She really sounds like she is about to lose it. It was really heartbreaking to hear the grief in her voice. By contrast Tiffany's voice sounds flat.

 

[spiderweb]

The memorial... why so soon? Why make it a public affair just yet??

I am wondering the same thing. What made me wonder even more was when TH said something to this effect on one of her interviews, "If we could just get the body, this whole thing would be over and done."

????????


Also during the interview with GVS she said she was yelling to him as she was trying to get him on the jet ski, and then she said something like, "He couldn't hear me...well, I mean, it didn't seem like he could."

She comes across to me like someone who is trying to say what she thinks she should be saying, and not what would naturally come out of her mouth.

And this is neither here nor there, but every time I see her on TV I'm reminded of Tonya Harding when she kept insisting that she didn't know anything about getting Nancy Kerrigan's knee bashed.

 

[Tuffy]

I believe her.

I live in Texas and have friends that travel to Mexico to visit family. It is a different world over there. There are parts of the country where the Mexican nationals won't go because the bandits will attack them.

When a person is wearing a life jacket, they are almost weightless in the water. You can pull, push and flip them over. When you try to lift them out of the water, they are no longer weightless. From my Red Cross Lifesaving Class 101.

I also have an opinion on why she was spared. I believe it is very possible they thought she was a child. She is very small and could easily be mistaken for a young girl, especially with a life jacket on.

My prayers are with her, her family and friends.

BBM

That is an interesting angle that I haven't heard yet. That makes sense she could have seemed to be much younger. I could see them mistaking her for a child.

 

[laytonian]

BUT

For the right price, it wouldn't have been impossible to "arrange" to have a boat "chase" her back into US waters and be seen by the eyewitness; and

how do we even know that there were two jet skis? How do we even know that her husband was out on the water with her that day?

How long does it take to get an insurance payout if there is no recovery of a body?

(gentle snippage)

You've neatly summarized things.

What IF she and her husband were on a boat, towing one jet ski? At the appropriate time, she gets on the jet ski and the boat follows her back in to shore.

All she needs to get the insurance payout, is for her husband to be declared dead.

The water should be very warm down there right now; it's been a week. Why hasn't a body, especially one wearing a life jacket, surfaced?

Does she really believe his body was "dragged" into the weeds? It shouldn't be hard to search there.

 

[Krisy]

I've never been on a jet ski before...

IS It POSSIBLE....that you could drive and kind of drag him along side you?(hanging onto his life jacket)

Just curious because that was my first reaction of what I'd do/try if I couldn't get my hubby on the jet ski.