Agreed. There’s no logical debate here in my opinion.I fully agree. There must be some accountability for Mr. Mitchell.
I also agree that DC was culpable in GF’s death, but I most certainly do not think he had a fair trial. He was tried and convicted in the court of public and media opinion well before the trial even commenced. There was also an understanding that if a “ proper” verdict was not reached, a repeat of the 2020 violence was assured.
Nelson most definitely has strong grounds for an appeal.
YUP.It's not about the outcome necessarily, it's about the process. The process needs to be fair across the board. It needs to be fair to people of color, LE, socioeconomic status, etc.
The judge may not grant a mis-trial on this issue, but there are legal experts opining that it should, and those same legal experts also believe that he was guilty. IMO this judge also doesn't want to deal with the consequences of now declaring a mis-trial, and he's not going to overturn his previous rulings, so it may have to go to an appeal after sentencing. I do not believe that is right, regardless of whether the majority of people think he's guilty.
All JMO
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There’s a serious problem when you have a bias about a case, AND are willing to lie to get onto the jury of that case.
Can anyone point me to cases where something that looks this bad came up, and the court system just shrugged and said it didn’t matter? I imagine it’s happened, but I can’t think of anything, offhand.
(Novels and TV shows don’t count. )
This (according to the majority of public opinion) is the case. What now? Same verdict? Same sentence? Is one more culpable than another? In the eyes of the law? As law is defined? ...You're probably right.
If the conviction is overturned though and there has to be another trial, I wonder if that will affect the upcoming trial of the other three officers.
The prosecution in that trial won't be able to say 'There were 4 officers involved in the death of GF and one has already been convicted of murder' ---- or however they would word that.
I think it's a good thing for Chavin that an appeal won't be filed until after the sentencing. As we know, he has asked the judge to determine his sentence instead of the jury. Perhaps this particular judge sentences people on the lower end of the scale. If there is another trial, I don't think there's much doubt he'd be found guilty again but he might receive a harsher sentence. Or would the same judge preside over a new trial?
VERDICT AND FINDINGS OF FACT REGARDING AGGRAVATED SENTENCING FACTORS
Judge Cahill issues findings that he will consider aggravated durational departure in Derek Chauvin sentencing…citing as a police officer “Defendant abused a position of trust and authority.”
https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/Order05112021.pdf
"Coerced" to include neck compressions? It's more likely the ME examiner was questioned as to why he didn't include it initially and if he had analyzed the video evidence clearly showing the neck and back compression lasting more than nine minutes!Attorneys for three former Minneapolis officers awaiting trial in George Floyd's death will be in court Thursday to argue pretrial motions, including a request that prosecutors be sanctioned after media reports that Derek Chauvin had planned to plead guilty a year ago, and allegations that they haven't disclosed information about the alleged coercion of a witness.
Attorneys for Thomas Lane, J. Kueng and Tou Thao have said they want the court to require prosecuting attorneys to submit affidavits under oath that they aren't responsible for the leak to the media. In a filing late Wednesday, Thao's attorney also alleged that the Hennepin County medical examiner was coerced to include “neck compression” in his findings — and that prosecutors knew of it.
The former officers waived their right to appear at Thursday’s hearing. Their trial is set for Aug. 23.
Ex-cops in Floyd death claim witness coercion, harm of leak
New trial date for Kueng, Lane and Thao is March 7, 2022.
Judge moved trial due to federal charges.
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Court will hold hearing in August to determine who was source of leak to NYT about Derek Chauvin plea negotiations. NYT reporter can be subpoenaed by defense atty Robert Paule to testify. Judge says he won't order NYT 2 reveal source.
Judge in February phone conference with attorneys had "suggested" that prosecutors filed affidavits saying they weren't source of leak to NYT but only assistant AG Matt Frank did. AG Ellison sent court letter but did not file affidavit under oath saying he wasn't source.
Judge was upset prosecutors did not file affidavits to avoid the "circus" of holding a hearing where they would be questioned. Judge says if prosecutors don't file affidavits they can be subpoenaed.
Matt Frank and assistant Hennepin County attorney Joshua Larson said they will get affidavits from their staff. Frank said judge was shifting the burden onto prosecutors when it's defense's job to prove its allegations. Thao's attorney Bob Paule had filed the accusations
Judge Cahill explains the federal charges are “much greater…higher” against ex-police officers so he will continue state case against Lane, Thao, and Kueng until March 2022–jury selection on March 8
You know - I just don't get it, I really don't - all DC had to do was to STAND UP and provide first aid. Mind boggles! Not to give first aid is absolutely agg. factor. In my country if sb fails to help it is treated as a crime. And I mean an ordinary citizen. And here we have a POLICE officer who should be a paragon of virtue. And in the presence of CHILDREN. Really, words fail me. I've never heard of a case like this. Beyond disgusting!