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What Is a Police Welfare Check? | The Law Dictionary

A police welfare check, also known as a wellness check, is when police stop by a person’s home to make sure they are okay. Learn more.
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No court order is required for the police to conduct a welfare check. Essentially, as long as they have reasonable grounds to believe that an inhabitant in a residence in endangered, they can legally enter the premises. They typically knock on the door and await a response before announcing their law enforcement affiliation. If they still receive no response, they may enter the property. This is particularly useful when someone inside the house is unconscious or otherwise unable to respond. The ability to enter the property without permission means that emergency aid can be rendered. In some cases, this is a life-saving intervention.
 
GoBuckeyes said:
So, you can believe that the other 3 are occasional drug users, but not JW?
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I believe they all took drugs and passed out. Only three of them passed out in near freezing temperatures. I don't necessarily know if they "froze to death" however hypothermia is a very real chance.

I am a landscape photographer and sometimes am very still for long periods in near freezing temps. Last year I lay down on some plastic on some sand on a riverbed in about 6 degrees (celcius, I am from NZ) for a couple of hours while my camera took an overnight timelapse. I had multiple layers on including a battery powered heat vest. At some point I dozed off and when I woke I was freezing. I was confused and could not stand. I tried to get up and repeatedly fell over. It was terrifying. Now try having that happen when you are intoxicated or drugged, and in minimal clothing.

People used to give liquor to hypothermia victims until research found that it made things significantly worse and contributed to a much higher chance of dying. MOO

What is not my opinion and is backed by numerous studies:
"Alcohol is a dominant cause of death in urban hypothermia"
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Alcohol and cold - PubMed

Alcohol is a dominant cause of death in urban hypothermia. Drinking alcohol gives a pleasant feeling of warmth. However, experimental studies on humans during relatively short exposure to moderate cold have given inconsistent results concerning heat balance. Longer exposure to colder...
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darring21 said:
Not without a warrant or belief there is a crime in progress.
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If JW had not answered the door, LE would have gone in:

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What Is a Police Welfare Check? | The Law Dictionary

A police welfare check, also known as a wellness check, is when police stop by a person’s home to make sure they are okay. Learn more.
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Legal Considerations​

No court order is required for the police to conduct a welfare check. Essentially, as long as they have reasonable grounds to believe that an inhabitant in a residence in endangered, they can legally enter the premises. They typically knock on the door and await a response before announcing their law enforcement affiliation. If they still receive no response, they may enter the property. This is particularly useful when someone inside the house is unconscious or otherwise unable to respond. The ability to enter the property without permission means that emergency aid can be rendered. In some cases, this is a life-saving intervention.
 
Also to add, when experiencing hypothermia (exposure) your body will initially divert all attention to vital organs, in particular the heart. This is why quite quickly you can no longer use your body in normal ways. Standing, walking , talking all becomes difficult and in advanced states, impossible. Your body will conserve energy by not allowing you to shiver to warm you up, which is a vicious cycle, As body temperature decreases, all organs including your brain cease to work effectively. Hence your ability to be coherent and make rational decisions is also quickly diminished. And because of this, people with hypothermia often do not realise they are in danger.

This all happens frightenly quickly. If you are asleep due to being inebriated, I think death would come very quickly, even to very big men.

I honestly believe that this is what happened. They were inebriated, effected likely by drugs, and could simply not manage getting out of the yard. I am still open to the possibility of bad drugs making it worse. <modsnip> MOO

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cuffem said:
Their deaths could have been from being unconscious in freezing temps. Fentanyl can cause unconsciousness. Other person could have survived from passing out indoors.
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Fentanyl is lethal whether indoors or outdoors. In this case, we do not know whether fentanyl was in anyone's system.

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Timing of JW Opening Door to LE. Hinky? [<--- ETA ]
GoBuckeyes said:
You could be right about the white noise, etc. It's just strange that immediately after someone inside his home (at that point) is calling his name, he responds to LE's knocking.
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@GoBuckeyes
I'm not claiming to be "RIGHT" about white noise, etc.
ATM, use of a white noise device, noise cancelling headphones, and music or vid game playing is all hypothetical.
I'm only saying the white noise etc, could POSSIBLY explain JW not HEARING the door pounding. Possibly even 20 min. of it. [ETA: and even a person in basement calling out.]

As someone else posted (sorry forgot who), it’s POSSIBLE that JW SAW patrol car’s flashing lights prompting him to remove headphones & open door to LE. Maybe, maybe not. IDK.

Yes, agree w you re timing as strange, if JW answered door to LE a mere 10 min after fiancee or friend knocked, as per FB post.
If so, can add that to the CO-HINKYDINK-ish file w several other points. imo
 
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al66pine said:
@GoBuckeyes
I'm not claiming to be "RIGHT" about white noise, etc.
ATM, use of a white noise device, noise cancelling headphones, and music or vid game playing is all hypothetical.
I'm only saying the white noise etc, could POSSIBLY explain JW not HEARING the door pounding. Possibly even 20 min. of it. [ETA: and even a person in basement calling out.]

As someone else posted (sorry forgot who), it’s POSSIBLE that JW SAW patrol car’s flashing lights prompting him to remove headphones & open door to LE. Maybe, maybe not. IDK.

Yes, agree w you re timing as strange, if JW answered door to LE a mere 10 min after fiancee or friend knocked, as per FB post.
If so, can add that to the CO-HINKYDINK-ish file w several other points. imo
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It's possible JW has a Ring doorbell notifier on his computer, and he didn't recognize the two people knocking on his door so late at night during a winter storm, so he ignored them. LE wear uniforms. He answered.

JMO
 
MyBelle said:
If JW had not answered the door, LE would have gone in:

thelawdictionary.org

What Is a Police Welfare Check? | The Law Dictionary

A police welfare check, also known as a wellness check, is when police stop by a person’s home to make sure they are okay. Learn more.
thelawdictionary.org thelawdictionary.org

Legal Considerations​

No court order is required for the police to conduct a welfare check. Essentially, as long as they have reasonable grounds to believe that an inhabitant in a residence in endangered, they can legally enter the premises. They typically knock on the door and await a response before announcing their law enforcement affiliation. If they still receive no response, they may enter the property. This is particularly useful when someone inside the house is unconscious or otherwise unable to respond. The ability to enter the property without permission means that emergency aid can be rendered. In some cases, this is a life-saving intervention.
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And that has to be risk of imminent harm. That is when they can hear a fight or there is a fire, none of which were the case here. This is common sense. You cannot call the police and say go in that house because my boyfriend didn't come home. The police can knock and look around the outside, but police do not go entering people's houses. This is basic constitutional knowledge.
 
LMDlong said:
The image of the gate looks like the gate I have . The gates looks on the inside ,so people outside can’t get in.
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Bbm.
Ita.

So what you're saying is they probably did not leave after being escorted out the front door, and come back to that house ?
B/c if they did, they should have been in ok enough condition, to not suddenly die in the back yard ?
This is a puzzling case !
Omo.
 
kiwilaura said:
To me this all seems like they were participating with drugs. And either took too much, or took bad drugs.

What does JW do for work? I wonder if he was aware but wanted to wait as long as possible, knowing he would probably be subject to tox screening when LE became aware of the deaths. How long does it take for certain drugs to become undetectable? Would JW lose his job if found to be taking drugs?

I don’t buy he was conveniently asleep for 48 hours but if he was, that’s a serious bender.

My guess is JW did not murder his friends willingly but may have supplied some bad drugs and is now attempting not to reveal that for fear of consequences. Which is highly cowardly IMHO.

I feel like phone searches might reveal more.

All my opinion.
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no one official said he was asleep for 48 hours
in fact his lawyer said he came and went from his bedroom
 
cuffem said:
Their deaths could have been from being unconscious in freezing temps. Fentanyl can cause unconsciousness. Other person could have survived from passing out indoors.
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I wish “Dr G” the medical examiner was taking this on…she has helped with many familes getting closure . I can only imagine loosing someone this way.

Moo
 
x_files said:
The renter/landlord or 5th friend who stopped by maybe the dealer(s) who didn't partake. He is nervous because he knows he may have accidentally given or sold them tainted drugs. So he is sweating bullets.
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Agreed. There have been people charged and sentenced for murder for having given someone heroin or other drugs which inadvertently caused death.
 
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Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc said:
You may have something here.
What if they didn't leave, yet JW 'seeing' them leave was them saying goodnight and an he heard a door close. If he was drunk and tired, he could have been on the edge of passing out/sleeping, they could see he was about to fall asleep and so said goodnight before going out to smoke/snort/'get some fresh air', he heard a door close, fell asleep.
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I wonder if any neighbors had cameras or if any family went around asking. If there is video then the whole who left when thing could be found out.
 
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