Identified! MO - Pemiscot Co., WhtMale UP14552, 18-25, JH' tattoo, Jun'78 - James Hendricks

[Harmony 2]

I say we should start with Robert Tippett.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/19948/0

Robert Tippett was last seen in January 1980. The unidentified male was found deceased in June 1978.

 

[CarlK90245]

Robert Tippett was last seen in January 1980. The unidentified male was found deceased in June 1978.

... but the narrative on his NamUs page says that he was "last seen in 1977 or 1978".

 

[Harmony 2]

... but the narrative on his NamUs page says that he was "last seen in 1977 or 1978".

The Namus link under his photo, in your post, states this:

Status Missing
First name Robert
Middle name R.
Last name Tippit
Nickname/Alias
Date last seen January 01, 1980 00:00

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/19948/0

It is confusing to say the least.

 

[rainwater]

January 1 is usually used as a default date when the exact date is not known.

 

[CarlK90245]

I just got a message from Still_Seek_Answers to look at this MP from San Francisco

The Date LKA is five years after Pemiscott John Doe was found, but I still think this is our guy:

John Holt

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20909/212/

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20909/212/

I just talked to Michael Nance on the telephone. I called Michael because Kim Doe is in his region (Arkansas), and Pemiscott John Doe doesn't have a NamUs casefile.

Pemiscott John Doe was found in Missouri (Jerry Brown's region) and John Holt is in Carrie Southerland's region (California). So Michael Nance is going to coordinate with them to look at this. He agrees that there are enough commonalities here that we should not presume that Holt's Date LKA is not an error.

* His initials JH match the tattoo on the John Doe.
* He has an identical scar on his forehead.
* He resembles the John Doe.

 

[Tom Friendly]

I just got a message from Still_Seek_Answers to look at this MP from San Francisco

The Date LKA is five years after Pemiscott John Doe was found, but I still think this is our guy:

John Holt

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20909/212/

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20909/212/

I just talked to Michael Nance on the telephone. I called Michael because Kim Doe is in his region (Arkansas), and Pemiscott John Doe doesn't have a NamUs casefile.

Pemiscott John Doe was found in Missouri (Jerry Brown's region) and John Holt is in Carrie Southerland's region (California). So Michael Nance is going to coordinate with them to look at this. He agrees that there are enough commonalities here that we should not presume that Holt's Date LKA is not an error.

* His initials JH match the tattoo on the John Doe.
* He has an identical scar on his forehead.
* He resembles the John Doe.

Carlk90245:

This is great! To think, this guy died over 35 years ago and was completely forgotten about with no case file (likely due to water damage) until we noticed a correlation between him and Pemsicot Kim Doe from 1978 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Right-Shoulder-Jun-78&p=10355236#post10355236). Now there is a new file, great media coverage (http://www.kfvs12.com/story/2533859...-year-old-mid-south-john-and-jane-doe-murders) and a solve right around the corner. Good work everyone.

 

[bflocket]

... but the narrative on his NamUs page says that he was "last seen in 1977 or 1978".

I looked up "Robert Tippit" (how it is spelled on NamUs) and found this article.
I think it is a "graduation special" (there at least one that came out in my local paper that was like a little yearbook of graduates from local schools) from Eugene (Oregon).

The part of interest is near the top of pg-3D in the blurb about McKenzie High School's 1995 graduates.
One of the honor graduates there is Chelsea Tippit. It states that her father (not late father) is Robert Tippit of "Rodgers, Ark." I couldn't find where that was, but did find the town "Rogers" in NW Arkansas.

The graduates are for the 1995 class. She would have been born a bit before Tippit disappeared (approx 1977). I was a 1979/'97 so I could easily figure out when she was born without really having to do the math.
This made me wonder if he is the one that's missing.

There wasn't much info about him, but his mention did not make it seem like he WASN'T alive and well. But it didn't really make it seem like he WAS either.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...ERWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=7OoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6090,7315054



I also found a website for the Topeka High School class of 1961. That is about the time-frame for Robert and he disappeared from near Topeka (which is in Shawnee Co, KS).
The website lets class members put in info about their life since graduating. His profile there is just blank, meaning he hasn't let anyone know what he's been up to since high school. That could mean that he's "gone" (like the one that's missing) or just doesn't care or know about the website. But he's not listed in the "In Memory of" section either.

http://www.thsclassof1961.com/class_index.cfm

 

[Roselvr]

I just got a message from Still_Seek_Answers to look at this MP from San Francisco

The Date LKA is five years after Pemiscott John Doe was found, but I still think this is our guy:

John Holt

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20909/212/

I just talked to Michael Nance on the telephone. I called Michael because Kim Doe is in his region (Arkansas), and Pemiscott John Doe doesn't have a NamUs casefile.

Pemiscott John Doe was found in Missouri (Jerry Brown's region) and John Holt is in Carrie Southerland's region (California). So Michael Nance is going to coordinate with them to look at this. He agrees that there are enough commonalities here that we should not presume that Holt's Date LKA is not an error.

* His initials JH match the tattoo on the John Doe.
* He has an identical scar on his forehead.
* He resembles the John Doe.

Looks very promising!
Great job SSA!

Carlk90245:

This is great! To think, this guy died over 35 years ago and was completely forgotten about with no case file (likely due to water damage) until we noticed a correlation between him and Pemsicot Kim Doe from 1978 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Right-Shoulder-Jun-78&p=10355236#post10355236). Now there is a new file, great media coverage (http://www.kfvs12.com/story/2533859...-year-old-mid-south-john-and-jane-doe-murders) and a solve right around the corner. Good work everyone.

Still_Seek_Answers has been sharing them on our page Never Forget Me. She's very determined to give them back their names!

 

[bflocket]

I found another guy that I think fits the parameters better (Richard Allen Rhyne, of Texas). Since I can't find very good stats on John Doe, he seems to match everything on the Missouri PDF at the beginning of thread. There doesn't seem to be much to rule him OUT as JD.


He is from fairly close (TX), has a "scar on forehead between eyes" and looks really similar (to the photo, but especially the drawing). Height/weight/hair fit, too.

He went missing a little over a year before John Doe was found.

He also went missing from Texas, which borders Arkansas. JD was found just north of the AR/MO border.

He also may have been in the state to "wander," as it seems that John Doe was doing.
One of the last things he was known to do before going missing was to go to his workplace to see if he still had a job. I couldn't find out whether he did still have a job, but if he didn't, I could understand him taking off.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rhyne_richard.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9221/12



I also thought about both John and Jane's tattoos.
Those are probably initials or some kind of acronym. Tattooing has gotten a lot more mainstream since then. I was born a year later and don't remember seeing many visible tattoos on a daily basis until I was actually out of high school in the late 1990's. I remembered a lot of country boys would have them on their shoulders or chests.
But most people I know with them, have tattoos of designs, pics, etc. When one has one with letters, it doesn't usually refer to themself, but is a tribute, girlfriend, relative, etc. It seemed like that back in the day too.
Too bad we can't look up all of the MP's past relationships, relatives, cliques, etc.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

He looks possible. Here are my concerns with Richard being Pemiscot John. 1st is his previous fractures. I see no mention of them on Pemiscot John's description. 2nd, is his epilepsy medication. I see no mention of them finding that in his system either. It should have shown on a standard toxicology report, even back then. I guess maybe he didn't have the medication with him.

I agree about the tattoo's. Two of my brothers have home done tattoo's from that time. People tended to make designs that either looked cool to them, or they used words or initials that were important to them. I am just guessing, but I think Pemiscot John and Kim Doe probably did each others tattoo's after they were on the road together. It could be their name, initials nicknames, or even each others name, initials, nicknames or a childs name or initials. The possibilities of what they could stand for are many.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

Thank you Roselvr, yes we have become very determined with the creation of Never Forget me. That is why we feature mostly these older cases. While I believe there might be something wrong with John Holts MP report, a typo, or someone reported him after he was long missing...I'm not real excited because of the dates. I do find the scar as the oddest thing, it is not the common small little scar.... which is why I messaged Carl and he was nice enough to look at it and make some calls. It is the scar description on both these men that grabbed my attention...both say the scar was from the eyebrow to the hairline...I find that kind of unique. Would be very nice to know who he is, it might even lead to use easier identifying Kim Doe.

 

[Tom Friendly]

I found another guy that I think fits the parameters better (Richard Allen Rhyne, of Texas). Since I can't find very good stats on John Doe, he seems to match everything on the Missouri PDF at the beginning of thread. There doesn't seem to be much to rule him OUT as JD.


He is from fairly close (TX), has a "scar on forehead between eyes" and looks really similar (to the photo, but especially the drawing). Height/weight/hair fit, too.

He went missing a little over a year before John Doe was found.

He also went missing from Texas, which borders Arkansas. JD was found just north of the AR/MO border.

He also may have been in the state to "wander," as it seems that John Doe was doing.
One of the last things he was known to do before going missing was to go to his workplace to see if he still had a job. I couldn't find out whether he did still have a job, but if he didn't, I could understand him taking off.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rhyne_richard.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9221/12



I also thought about both John and Jane's tattoos.
Those are probably initials or some kind of acronym. Tattooing has gotten a lot more mainstream since then. I was born a year later and don't remember seeing many visible tattoos on a daily basis until I was actually out of high school in the late 1990's. I remembered a lot of country boys would have them on their shoulders or chests.
But most people I know with them, have tattoos of designs, pics, etc. When one has one with letters, it doesn't usually refer to themself, but is a tribute, girlfriend, relative, etc. It seemed like that back in the day too.
Too bad we can't look up all of the MP's past relationships, relatives, cliques, etc.

We already had Richard Rhyne on the list of possibles on page 1 of this thread.

 

[bflocket]

He looks possible. Here are my concerns with Richard being Pemiscot John. 1st is his previous fractures. I see no mention of them on Pemiscot John's description. 2nd, is his epilepsy medication...

His fractures aren't noted on the little flyer about the Does. But the flyer is hardly in depth like a NamUs profile usually is.
The flyer goes into just as much detail regarding his clothing as his they do regarding his physical attributes. It doesn't say there were any old fractures. It doesn't say if there were not.

Regarding the epilepsy meds...
How thorough of a toxicology study would have been done on an obvious (three gunshot wounds) murder victim in rural Missouri in 1978? Like with the old fractures, it doesn't say that he "had cocaine, acetaminophen, phenobarbital, etc" in his system. It doesn't say that toxicology came back negative. Toxicology is just not mentioned.



I don't know if we can ever hope to know these details due to the flood damage on so many of the documents.



I'd neglected to look at the second link Honesty posted earlier (http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/link/...e-case-file?clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass).
To me, it looked like it was a "mobile" version of the news story they posted so I just didn't click on it earlier.
It is wonderful and I regret not having looked at it until today.

The link is kind of a picture book showing the state of the records available. It shows some of the old documents and gives some more details about people that saw them shortly before they were killed. By seeing some of the documents, you can tell that many were damaged beyond repair. Several are legible, though. You just kind of understand why so little is currently known when you look at it.

 

[bflocket]

We already had Richard Rhyne on the list of possibles on page 1 of this thread.

Sorry. I just saw that he was, but he wasn't dealt with in as much detail (ie discussed much) as some of the others in that post later were. I brought him back up because he was from a lot closer to AR/MO than most of the others.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

His fractures aren't noted on the little flyer about the Does. But the flyer is hardly in depth like a NamUs profile usually is.
The flyer goes into just as much detail regarding his clothing as his they do regarding his physical attributes. It doesn't say there were any old fractures. It doesn't say if there were not.

Regarding the epilepsy meds...
How thorough of a toxicology study would have been done on an obvious (three gunshot wounds) murder victim in rural Missouri in 1978? Like with the old fractures, it doesn't say that he "had cocaine, acetaminophen, phenobarbital, etc" in his system. It doesn't say that toxicology came back negative. Toxicology is just not mentioned.



I don't know if we can ever hope to know these details due to the flood damage on so many of the documents.



I'd neglected to look at the second link Honesty posted earlier (http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/link/...e-case-file?clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass).
To me, it looked like it was a "mobile" version of the news story they posted so I just didn't click on it earlier.
It is wonderful and I regret not having looked at it until today.

The link is kind of a picture book showing the state of the records available. It shows some of the old documents and gives some more details about people that saw them shortly before they were killed. By seeing some of the documents, you can tell that many were damaged beyond repair. Several are legible, though. You just kind of understand why so little is currently known when you look at it.

Sorry, I said he could be a possible. I agree that John Doe's little flyer is about a pitiful description. Yes, it is possible the fractures or meds simply were not noted. Many things are possible. I just think that if his toxicology had came back with a prescribed seizure medication, they would have listed it. It is possible they did not.

Yes, the online file contains much more information than is listed on the flyer. No reason I can think of not to submit him and find out.

 

[wintermute]

While I believe there might be something wrong with John Holts MP report, a typo, or someone reported him after he was long missing...I'm not real excited because of the dates.

Kudos, SSA. I think it's very possible that the LKA date is wrong, and that is why John Holt never came up on LE's database searches. It makes me think of the Heidi Balch case; she was the Joel Rifkin victim that was finally identified last year. Someone reported seeing her alive years after her death, so she wasn't considered a possible match for that UID. Perhaps something similar happened with John Holt.

 

[FiveFelines]

Kudos, SSA. I think it's very possible that the LKA date is wrong, and that is why John Holt never came up on LE's database searches. It makes me think of the Heidi Balch case; she was the Joel Rifkin victim that was finally identified last year. Someone reported seeing her alive years after her death, so she wasn't considered a possible match for that UID. Perhaps something similar happened with John Holt.

I agree that the LKA date may very well be wrong, although I think it might be a data entry error. The actual date and location (his home) seem quite specific (vs someone thinking they saw him somewhere years later):

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/holt_john.html

I like him and Richard Rhyne as possible matches.

 

[FiveFelines]

One thing about Holt, though, is that his scar seems more diagonal, while the UID's scar is more vertical (judging by the postmortem pic as well as the sketch). Still worth pursuing, IMO.

 

[wintermute]

I agree that the LKA date may very well be wrong, although I think it might be a data entry error. The actual date and location (his home) seem quite specific (vs someone thinking they saw him somewhere years later):

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/holt_john.html

I like him and Richard Rhyne as possible matches.

Thank you for the Charley link, I hadn't read that before now. I thought that it might have been a vague sighting, such as an acquaintance thought they saw him walking down the street or at the supermarket.

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

I would be much more excited if the date was closer to the time Pemiscott John was found. The scar description however did and does still grab my attention. They are both noted as having a scar from the eyebrow to the hairline. If it just said scar then I'd be like oh they both have one, but a scar that specific is rare. Both of their scars also run from the same eyebrow, which is a plus. I guess the LKA date could be a data entry error, or a human error. I wish it had given more detail about the last time he was seen, just saying at his home does not give much detail. I also do not know rather or not Holt had freckles. It would be nice if it is him, terrible as that might sound. It would solve half of this case and might give us more of an idea where to look for Kim.