Norway Norway - Oslo, WhtFem 20-30, Fake Name, shot in hotel room, Jun'95

[ApparentlyInDenial]

Using the floor to store clothes has nothing to do with how you pack a suitcase. If you're going on vacation or on a business trip i am sure you don't want to spend half of time ironing, do you?
I assume people who are concerned about their looks would pack a tidy suitcase with neatly folded clothes. Not only it allows you to pack more items as it also spares you from wasting time ironing. But apparently my observations are all wrong and not of great value...

BTW, I'm a few years younger than "Jennifer" and i go commando and wear french knickers since i was 16, and i'm not a "high class escort". It's not an escort only kind of thing, as it was implied before. I find it comfortable and I'm sure a lot of women find it too.

MOO JMO

I'm also a 'commando', ahem. I didn't think the thread would take this twist but I admit, I've never been a fan of underwear.

I'm also a business traveller, maybe 12-16 trips in an average year. I roll my clothes when I pack them. Roll them tight and then hang/iron them at the destination.

 

[Susikatze]

Lol, oy, that should not have turned into a thread discussing that poor ladies undies or lack thereof...

 

[PatLaurel]

I'm also a 'commando', ahem. I didn't think the thread would take this twist but I admit, I've never been a fan of underwear.

I'm also a business traveller, maybe 12-16 trips in an average year. I roll my clothes when I pack them. Roll them tight and then hang/iron them at the destination.

Didn't mean to derail the thread but, i think it's a bit offensive to judge or label people based on their underwear. Or the lack of it...

Different countries, different jobs, different cultures and we have all these things in common uh? (You have my support if you ever decide to wear silk french knickers.)

MOO JMO

 

[Beekarina]

Do you guys think her clothes were really any thing particularly nice or professional? I looked again, and they're reinforcing my opinion of her as ordinary for the time. The black leather coat and skirt outfit, as an example, I could just as easily see someone wearing a pair of Doc Martins with it as I could those black heels. GAH AUTO CORRECT...I will leave this for the giggle...lol MARTENS hahahaha (Doc Martin is a great show....if anyone needs. break from this thread, I highly recco! )

She doesn't look unprofessional to me, but I can't really tell anything about her from the clothes. They're so carefully neutral. The only vibe I really get is urban and European.

 

[Beekarina]

(Hahahahahaha)

Careful drinking hot coffee while scrolling.....

 

[PatLaurel]

Edited to add: I still find it curious the Norwegian police would go to the trouble to use clothing experts for "Kambo Man", and not for "Jennifer."

RSBM &BBM

And also how easily the police gave up after a year. You can't close a UP case without an ID. You may leave it there but you just don't give up. It's not correct. And IIRC all the files and evidence went missing. Suspicious... to say the least.

MOO JMO

 

[Beekarina]

RSBM &BBM

And also how easily the police gave up after a year. You can't close a UP case without an ID. You may leave it there but you just don't give up. It's not correct. And IIRC all the files and evidence went missing. Suspicious... to say the least.

MOO JMO

I'm reading more about the Isdal women, and it seems they were also quick to stop with her as well. Some officers felt they were being "blocked" even. While that was Bergen, and not Oslo, still interesting.... Death in Ice Valley: New clues in Isdal Woman mystery

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

Didn't mean to derail the thread but, i think it's a bit offensive to judge or label people based on their underwear. Or the lack of it...

Different countries, different jobs, different cultures and we have all these things in common uh? (You have my support if you ever decide to wear silk french knickers.)

MOO JMO

Hahaha, thank you. Maybe I already do .

She was wearing knickers when she was found though, right? Just no spares in the room. That’s what I figured this far anyway.

 

[GatorFL]

Regarding the mutilated gun, is it possible that the front part was removed by LE and opened to do a ballistics test?
But i have no clue about how that works, if anyone knows more, fill me in.

No, the whole upper part is one unit. Has to be something wrong with the photo, IMO.

 

[ninetimesfifteen]

It depends on what you consider warm. You can't compare the summers in Northern Europe with the summers in Southern Europe. Nor an occasional heatwave in Europe with permanent warm weather in the Tropics.
If the link bellow is accurate, between the 27th of May and the 3rd of June, the high temperatures in Oslo varied from 14ºC to 21ºC, and the low between 9.4ºC and 12.8ºC. I don't consider this to be warm weather, and definitely not the temperatures i would wear the clothing selection found in the hotel room. Except for the leather jacket. And this may indicate that she traveled from a warmer region.

MOO JMO

Climate Oslo / Gardermoen (Year 1995) - Climate data (13840)

Or she traveled from a cold region where 20° is considered warm.

 

[Susikatze]

Her style is very sharp, upper mid range expensive and professional for the time. All black and leather jacket adds a bit of a mysterious touch, but it is within the normal range of office clothing. She may have worked at a bank or a big company just as well. I think an actual spy would not dress like that, but more unsuspecting.
Maybe she was a bit into the goth subculture, too. Her hair was dyed black. I remember my cousin dressing like that in the early 2000s (albeit less "sexy" with slacks instead of miniskirt) when she had sort of a goth phase.

Do you guys think her clothes were really any thing particularly nice or professional? I looked again, and they're reinforcing my opinion of her as ordinary for the time. The black leather coat and skirt outfit, as an example, I could just as easily see someone wearing a pair of Doc Martins with it as I could those black heels. GAH AUTO CORRECT...I will leave this for the giggle...lol MARTENS hahahaha (Doc Martin is a great show....if anyone needs. break from this thread, I highly recco! )

She doesn't look unprofessional to me, but I can't really tell anything about her from the clothes. They're so carefully neutral. The only vibe I really get is urban and European.

 

[Susikatze]

Could theoretically also have been some love affair gone sour. He may have split up with her and she was done with life... but owning a gun is unusual for ordinary Europeans.

 

[PatLaurel]

Or she traveled from a cold region where 20° is considered warm.

That is also a good possibility.
Whatever life she left behind before checking in to the Plaza, i do believe that her suitcase was packed at the last minute.

MOO JMO

 

[Marantz4250b]

Regarding the mutilated gun, is it possible that the front part was removed by LE and opened to do a ballistics test?
But i have no clue about how that works, if anyone knows more, fill me in.

The gun wasn't mutilated; either the photo was tampered with or it was badly exposed when being copied. The gun is in the possession of the police and is in one piece. There is no evidential reason I can think of that would require a firearm to be physically altered, and certainly not that radically.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Could theoretically also have been some love affair gone sour. He may have split up with her and she was done with life... but owning a gun is unusual for ordinary Europeans.

Gun ownership isn't that rare and Norway actually has a fairly high rate of it. Having said that, being in possession of an illegal 9mm pistol with it's numbers scrubbed off in a high-end hotel in a classy place like Oslo would be essentially unheard of. I still say that suicide is the most likely explanation here but there is certainly some criminal connection somewhere, even if only very tenuously, as that gun didn't come into her possession by magic. I doubt she had possession of it for very long at all so she almost certainly had contact with some sort of reasonably serious criminal type soon before she died. Total speculation here (and I hate putting forward suggestions on the basis of basically no evidence) but the Scandinavian countries have had long running issues of criminal violence related to Hell's Angels and various other biker gangs and this is the type of weapon I could easily see being in their possession. I don't think it unreasonable that she may have had some involvement with these types; she had short cropped hair, wore a lot of black, seemed to spend a lot of time out of her room.....don't know about anyone else but I don't think she'd look too out of place on the back of a HD.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Didn't mean to derail the thread but, i think it's a bit offensive to judge or label people based on their underwear. Or the lack of it...

Different countries, different jobs, different cultures and we have all these things in common uh? (You have my support if you ever decide to wear silk french knickers.)

MOO JMO

I don't think that anyone is passing judgement on her. Just noting a fact of the case.

 

[Marantz4250b]

RSBM &BBM

And also how easily the police gave up after a year. You can't close a UP case without an ID. You may leave it there but you just don't give up. It's not correct. And IIRC all the files and evidence went missing. Suspicious... to say the least.

MOO JMO

You can't really say that something is suspicious unless you know how other similar cases are dealt with. I'm not sure that they actually "closed" the case but if you have exhausted every avenue of investigation then you'd stop working on it until some other facts came along. The police had no ID; no travel documents; very few personal effects and had interviewed all the witnesses they could find. They kept her body for a year in case someone came looking for her - which seems to be the accepted period in Norway. The files and evidence didn't go missing, as far as I understand, the gun still exists as do the photos. Her clothing was destroyed which, again, seems the usual course of action there.

 

[PatLaurel]

Hahaha, thank you. Maybe I already do .

She was wearing knickers when she was found though, right? Just no spares in the room. That’s what I figured this far anyway.

Right. Wearing french knickers and no spares in the room.

I highly doubt that a knickers fetishist took her underwear. Generally these kinky trophy hunters prefer the underwear worn by the "victims" during their interaction together.

MO JMO MOO JMOO

 

[Beekarina]

At one point, the gun was sent to be destroyed. It was only by chance that it was found. Apparently, the only reason it was kept was to serve as an example of a weapon with missing serial numbers.

Mystery at the Oslo Plaza

 

[branmuffin]

Her style is very sharp, upper mid range expensive and professional for the time. All black and leather jacket adds a bit of a mysterious touch, but it is within the normal range of office clothing. She may have worked at a bank or a big company just as well. I think an actual spy would not dress like that, but more unsuspecting.
Maybe she was a bit into the goth subculture, too. Her hair was dyed black. I remember my cousin dressing like that in the early 2000s (albeit less "sexy" with slacks instead of miniskirt) when she had sort of a goth phase.

It always bothers me that the description mentions black hair, possibly died. How difficult would it have been to test a few strands of hair to find out if it was in fact dyed. Not that I think there was something suspicious about her having dyed hair but it would allow for a more accurate description of someone.

Most people associate blue eyes with a fairer complexion and lighter coloured hair. My dad had black hair, olive toned skin and cornflower blue eyes. My daughter has black hair, fair complexion with pale blue eyes like this woman. So it would have behooved them to do a little test.

I guess suicides are a dime a dozen and investigations may be based on impressions. But this 'suicide' had items of clothing missing along with a suitcase meaning she hadn't been alone. She gave a fictitious name, address and company on her check in card. Plus there's also that pesky fact of a briefcase filled with bullets and a gun with the serial numbers removed.

As for the discrepancies regarding the dimensions of the weapon. We know in many investigations evidence goes missing. Perhaps after taking apart the weapon that provided us with details of how it was a mix of different parts they actually misplaced the original gun.

IMO, talking about light and shadows on the photo doesn't alter the fact that the dimensions of the gun shown in two comparison photos illustrate they are off by several centimetres.