NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

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human said:
Seems like stupid business to give perks to someone who wins. Why would they do,that?
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To keep them playing. Remember there is also a lot of losing that goes along with that winning. The casinos count on the losing. Getting the comps allows gamblers to feel like they are winning. Casinos try to out do each other to keep big gamblers. Casinos never want a winner to leave.
 
human said:
Can you smoke in casinos either on cruises or,in Vegas? The killer was sensitive to smells. Not to smoke?
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Oh gosh, on cruises that’s often one of the only places you can smoke.... he seems like the entitled narcissistic type that would sit in a smoke filled room and expect no smoke to enter his bubble. I read an article where someone (brother) said he was passive aggressive like that - especially with cigarette smoke.


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jjenny said:
I really don't know what guard was doing, but shouldn't police have been informed immediately that a guard was shot? 18 minutes is a long time when we are talking about mass shooting.
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If any of us were on 32nd floor and 200 shots were heard 5 doors down your not gonna call 911 instantly
 
kaen said:
To keep them playing. Remember there is also a lot of losing that goes along with that winning. The casinos count on the losing. Getting the comps allows gamblers to feel like they are winning. Casinos try to out do each other to keep big gamblers.
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Yes... even not-so-high rollers... my mom and step dad blew through an over 10k inheritance in a couple months by making trips to Shreveport for “comped” rooms... and this is not someone who ever made more than 12-15$/hour...


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I'm just so confused now with the time line change. Either way it is awful, horrible and in my opinion a terrorist attack as terror was inflicted.

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kittythehare said:
The 'defensiveness' is based on there being no actual evidence or history of known psychiatric problems.

There are absolutely themes that point to this. Review my posts and the statements of LE, his girlfriend, and others.

There is also an aspect of white Americans automatically being cast as mentally ill whenever they commit an outrageous act, a Muslim/alleged/Daesh /AlQ carrying out similar act is automatically called a terrorist and the act an act of terrorism.
In fact any major attack on humanity is blamed first on Islam.. before the facts emerge. They were in this case too. Islamophobia is rampant.

I have stated multiple times that I do not reserve exploring mental illness for white, Christian perpetrators. I am of the opinion that there is a component of mental illness in ALL of these attacks, domestic, or international.

My resistance to a mental illness label on this
dude is that there is no evidence he had lost the plot.

You do not need to "lose the plot" to be mentally ill. Your symptoms do not have to be overt and obvious.that is a stereotype and a myth and part of the narratives produced by rampant stigma of MI. Most laymen may not pick up on red flags of mental illness that clinicians can clearly see and or surmise . LE stated over the weekend that they believe that he had undiagnosed severe mental illness. His girlfriend also reported the same. It is not out of "nowhere" and I believe it too, for many reasons.

From what we know so far.. he was determined, willful, focused, alert and highly efficient.
He was highly intelligent and his calculations had even included wind velocity.. thats serious precision.

Again, you can be precise, highly intelligent and mentally ill. The methodical precision of many serial killers that have gone undetected for decades, hiding in plain sight while methodically murdering their victims and avoiding detection by friends, family, and LE, comes to mind.

Re the gambling 'addiction' diagnosis, can people not see that some people work at 'gambling'- to make a living.. its a mathematical exercise.. with known odds.. Its their job..no more intense than several hours spent accounting for a salary.

Just because a possible pathological gambler "gambles for a living" and is extremely skillful at it does not mean they are not addicted.I would say gambling 14 hours per day for 365 days per year on average as per his own words is "more intense" than "several hours working as an accountant " Also, most pathological gamblers do not massacre innocent people

whereas we know he had 2 failed marriages we are not aware of why they failed..

Many gamblers have failed marriages and conflict in their interpersonal relationships. Its part of it. The same goes for personality disorders.

I think, its more likely his addiction was sexual, if that was an addiction..

These also tend to be tied. And his "sexual" addiction or frequenting of sex workers can also be tied to power, control, and part of his "Casino" lifestyle in Vegas. It can also be pathological. Interesting that this appears more pathological to some than constant preoccupation of gambling to the point of sleep deprivation. It is my opinion that they are tied, not separate.

The most important point is his rationale for a mass killing.
If not politically or personally motivated, then why?
what is the significance of the date October 1, 2017 for him? Add them, it comes to21=3..
What date did his father die?
any date in his life or in history that makes this significant?
Is there any evidence anywhere of his membership in any organisation at all?

Huh? There is nothing more "impersonal" than shooting at 23,000 random people from an isolated snipers nest, from afar, literally playing GOD from a distance. He killed in a very methodical, precise, researched manner, in a very public and grandiose way. Although I agree that anniversaries are significant stressors, I am not sure what adding the numbers of the date will prove. Also, who KNOWS what was going on this very ILL man's mind. My guess is that it is about power, control, infamy, and grandiosity. I do know he was suicidal and homicidal with intent and plan. Absolute signs of mental illness, which again does NOT mean that he didn't know right from wrong. I believe he enjoyed it.

This dour man..sometimes I get a feeling he had a deadline here, based on the alleged disintegration of his physical health.

But not mental? Also, our health is holistic. You cannot separate the "physical from the mental". They effect each other and interact.

the wSJ article, I posted earlier stated Sheriff was aware of medications but he did not elaborate on what they might have been..

Not sure where you are going with this. I know he was prescribed benzos. Which are highly addictive and overprescribed as a band aid for 'anxiety". withdrawal leads to seizures. And substance abuse would be totally inline with a pathological "professional" gambler. Peanut Butter and Jelly and not surprising.

I would be very interested in his autopsy blood tox screen, and general state of his body, possibly was terminal.. speculation..

Okay. How many people have terminal illness? Do they all massacre innocent people and decide to play God and take them out with them? Personality pathology any way you slice it.

I wonder if he ever met his father and the kinds of feelings he had about both his diagnosis and his treatment by LE.
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I wonder about this as well.
 
human said:
I wonder why a casino would give all of those perks to him. If he was winning all of the time, that means the casino was losing. Even if gambled huge amounts of money, what does it matter if he is winning?
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Here are a couple of articles that I thought described, pretty well, the comping,(I was curious about that too), and the hostess jobs (MD was a hostess when she met SP). It's something about trying to boost short term bottom line with big money gamblers, in hopes they'll lose that big money. I guess other folks who didn't get comped, paid for the comped one, just by raiding the mini bar. I read in another one that the mini-bar stuff is marked up 300%. lol

Confessions of a Las Vegas Host
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr/13/confessions-casino-host/

Life of A High Roller
https://www.doverdowns.com/Casino/life-of-a-high-roller
 
TXNurse77 said:
Maybe the door he barricaded to the stairwell was cocked open by his contraption and that is what caused the alarm that the security guard was responding to?


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From his presser I got the impression that the door that was ajar was a guest room
 
CARIIS said:
What has happened to the 200 shots that fired toward the guard ??


According to them is that still part of the story?

If the guard was shot at before and fired 200 shots why would the police need help in knowing where they were coming from .

I would think 200 shots flying around inside a hotel would be findable, if that makes sense??
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-Makes perfect sense.
 
I am puzzled by some things. Can anybody help, please?
Was suicide part of his original plan?
Was his actual suicide about avoiding jail/punishment for his actions?

His allergies are interesting too.. he did not need to avoid crowded places, as one with immune deficient disease would.. ditto patients receiving chemotherapy.

Was it a fear of contamination? Yet, he used prostitutes and risked all kinds of contamination, that is providing he used them for sex as opposed to mere companionship/cover?

The other question is technical - he had training in sniper tactics. Where did he receive this training?
He took care to position himself so that fire from guns would not be visible from a distance.
He was unable to procure tracers.. could he see what he was doing at all?
Why the elaborate calculations when he was presumable going to be merely firing in a general direction, without tracers?
Is it possible to use the bump stocks with silencers or not?

Did he have any idea of how many people he had killed when he ate his gun, allegedly? If not, what was the point in another mass shooting, only to die without having ever known you had met or failed to meet your 'target'?
I doubt they could operate with silencers, but I dont actually know..
(I am looking for madness, still, btw)
 
Gooddeeds said:
-please elaborate on the Key points?
TIA
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To point out that SWAT and other LE said they used the stairs. Some had mentioned that SWAT used the elevators. Also to highlight that they said they worked together essentially as a SWAT team, imo. if i understood correctly.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-veg...ck-hotel-room/
Officers Bitsko and Newton ran to the stairs. Detective Donaldson and a SWAT officer, Levi Hancock, did too. This ad-hoc group of officers didn't know what they would face, but they soon discovered Paddock had barricaded the stairwell door.
 
CARIIS said:
Am I missing a link to the entire 79 page depo!

What was interesting is there is a lot of stuff on the floor -- I thought he was just trying to get some money and that is why it was thrown out !!
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Actually it looked legit. It did look like a real accident.
I dont think he was a scammer.
I couldn't find it either and I spent hours searching.. no reason to seal a case like that..
CNN should have published a link to the entire transcript.
Accident occurred 2011.. case not dismissed until 2014.. almost 3 years.. But now another 3 years has passed.
I too want to read it rather badly.. I want his vocabulary, his way of seeing the world.
I believe him when he said a million is not a lot to lose.. he had won 5 million in recent years, on gambling .
I would also love to find some expert testimony on his methodology.. I know when the stakes are very high, players can work the predictability of dice.. I knew people like that when I lived in Greece.. old men who had spent their lives playing backgammon, but not for money, for skill..Its fascinating. It will show up, it has to..
 
Gooddeeds said:
-Lombardo had said earlier in the week that it’s “amazing” Campos survived, adding he believes Paddock stopped firing because he saw Campos approaching and “was in fear he was about to be breached.”

“His bravery was amazing,” Lombardo said. ***He gave our officers the key card***for the room and then continued clearing rooms until he was ordered to go seek attention.”
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Something I have been a wondering about. Clearing rooms ... how would they go about doing that on the 32nd floor? It probably had a sense of urgency but I don't imagine you could just bang on all the doors ... too loud and if shooter was in the end room he would "see" down the hall I would think. One of the articles stated there was a camera in the peephole ....

I guess I'm curious IF big IF people were in their rooms on the 32nd floor how they managed to get out.
 
rsd1200 said:
Is this it, CARISS? Whether he would be called an "addict" or not may be of dispute, he may have called it his "job". Either way, the way they've described his gambling, for all intents and purposes, it was taking the same toll on his mind, and, body. When he's sitting in front of a machine, in a casino, night after night, all night, drinking alcohol, even having his food delivered to his machine, and stressed out if he felt they weren't being snappy enough, then he'd sleep all day, live out of suitcases, not to mention the need to win, constantly cipherin' to beat those slots. If you win, you're up! If you lose, you're down. Even if he looked at it as an enjoyable job, after awhile, that Seratonin level isn't going to be there like it was at first and stress will creep in (Folks having heart issues are why there's defibrillators everywhere in LV).

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...w-about-las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock.html

He gambled tens of thousands of dollars and indulged in the perks casinos offer top players — though he was not widely known among the most elite gamblers.
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I was trying to find the 79 page depo of the suit he did !

Folks that can recall the layout of his room . would each window actually be in the two rooms separated by the living room

that also makes no sense --why would you make such a large distance to run back and forth to shoot people?

According to swat one of the doors was locked and had to be blown out

Why would he lock one of the doors ??
 
He probably fell because of sleep deprivation. By his own account he averaged 14 hours per day of straight gambling 365 days per year.

To say that-that is terrible sleep hygiene would be the understatement of the year.
 
kittythehare said:
Actually it looked legit. It did look like a real accident.
I dont think he was a scammer.
I couldn't find it either and I spent hours searching.. no reason to seal a case like that..
CNN should have published a link to the entire transcript.
Accident occurred 2011.. case not dismissed until 2014.. almost 3 years.. But now another 3 years has passed.
I too want to read it rather badly.. I want his vocabulary, his way of seeing the world.
I believe him when he said a million is not a lot to lose.. he had won 5 million in recent years, on gambling .
I would also love to find some expert testimony on his methodology.. I know when the stakes are very high, players can work the predictability of dice.. I knew people like that when I lived in Greece.. old men who had spent their lives playing backgammon, but not for money, for skill..Its fascinating. It will show up, it has to..
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I took down the case number off the CNN video but really was not sure where to look I tried a couple of places and could not find it !!

Will post tomm !!
 
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