NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

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I have a question. How do you screw a door shut? Put the screws in at an angle?

Considering I don't know if the door opened inward into the hallway or opened into the stairwell, I don't know if screwing into an angle would be effective. I've seen doors secured shut by putting a piece of wood or metal in the shape of a "L" . I'll try to explain. Screw the long part of the "L" to the door, screw the short part of the "L" to the door frame. But I don't know if that's what he did.
 
-Why hasn’t there been ANY surveillance footage from the hotel?

Is it that they don’t have any camera surveillance on that floor?
 
If the guard was shot before SP shot towards the crowd, where did the 200 shots come from that was appartently through the door?


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I didn't see all of the 60 minute CBS show. So does anyone know what SWAT team did once they breeched the room, entered, and saw a man dead. I saw the interview where they said they were surprised at the age, and clothing of the shooter, but what did they do next? Did they assume he was the shooter and no one else was there? Were they still on high alert and clearing the area to make sure no one else was there? How did they go about making sure it wasn't booby trapped? Those 4 guys in the 60 minute show said they were tripping over the guns. I don't know how. If you're looking for booby traps, explosives, and armed shooter, then aren't you watching where you walk?
They did a full search. Then they preserved it for the forensics people.
The link to the programme is on this thread somewhere.. its divided into sections, a section covering each stage of their journey.
They were fully prepared for a terrorist attack and took all usual precautions.
 
-Why hasn’t there been ANY surveillance footage from the hotel?

Is it that they don’t have any camera surveillance on that floor?
excellent point..
they surely would have cctv on every floor??
possibly LE has the footage..
 
Both, poignant and potent look at survivors guilt...............

Kleenex likely

[video=youtube;ZUn1GzTwIL4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUn1GzTwIL4[/video]
 
I am so sorry.

That is definitely not how I would describe this shooter's body.
I do know that the caliber does make a difference as well.
Also trajectory. Depending on the angle of the gun.

I know a guy who shot himself in the mouth and lived.
He needed serious facial reconstruction but didn't appear to lose any cognitive functions.
There are just so many variables it's hard to know.
I am confident they can find information from his autopsy though.
Did anybody see a very early report stating he had shot himself in the head? I did but I am unable to locate it right now.
I did see his post mortem photographs, #GRAPHIC
He was lying on his back, he was wearing comfortable loose clothes and what looked like expensive loafers, His right foot had a white sock on.
His eyes were open.
He had blood in and from his mouth and his head appeared to be resting in a pool of blood.
I DID notice a rather large stain on his sweatshirt, at chest level, its possible it was a photographic shadow, at a large stretch, but to my eyes it appeared to be from an injury, I speculated a richochet injury from the alleged firing at the door.. or that he had been hit by a LE bullet? I dont know what the significance is.
His face was unmarked, his hairstyle unchanged from all the photos we have seen already.
The footage and the stills I saw were from a highly disreputable site Liveleak, so I cannot vouch for them. He certainly did not have the appearance of a tortured being in death. In fact, he looked quite relaxed.
It was strange.
 
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I make my os and zeroes counter-clockwise, which is supposedly the same as psychopaths. I am most definitely NOT a psychopath, though. ;)

According to a cursive writing guide online, the letter "o" is properly made in a counter-clockwise direction. BUT .. while looking at the chart, I noticed that I'm all wet with the capital cursive letter "I" (eye). I've always formed that capital letter exactly the opposite of how it is supposed to be written. Hmmm..I've taken liberties with a few other capital letters..time to stop looking at that chart. No point in obsessing now. Well, maybe just a little bit, tomorrow!

Sorry for o/t. Had to reassure myself that I wasn't actually a psychopath.
 
One report states the security guard was shot, and hid in an alcove of a doorway. My question.... since the guard had a card to swipe into a room, why didn't he? There were other rooms on that floor, and I have no idea if they were occupied or not. But, even if I had a key, I would have went into a room, locked the door, and called police to come save me! I wouldn't have sat in the darn hall approx 20 minutes or more and prayed the shooter didn't come shoot me again! And if I was in that hall, and couldn't get to a room, when I heard all those shots being fired, that elevator could have taken me somewhere else. It just doesn't make sense to me.
What a great point you make! He went to investigate an open door of another room on that floor acc to recent reports.
Of course he should have gone into just any room and taken shelter and phoned relevant people..
 
Color me confused [emoji37]
There is SO much that is not making ANY sense.
He was OVER armed for what he did. I'm guessing he was hoping for exploding jet fuel tanks and had his vehicle rigged for an Oklahoma type explosion, that possibly could have taken down an entire parking deck.
Someone entering his room while he was allegedly at his vehicle. Surely there are cameras in the elevators!
I gotta agree.
HE HAD HELP!
HE PLANNED TO WALK AWAY and not get caught.

IMO the security guard foiled his plan. I imagine this forced his hand to fast forward the timeline which resulted in his not achieving the amount of destruction he had hoped for.
This killer who "doesn't do sunlight " yet took 20 cruises?
I even wonder if he ever took any of the Valium he was prescribed. I find it more likely that he gave it to unsuspecting women to carry out his sexual fantasies on them.
He was a monster no doubt!
I pray that he is indeed dead!
To think he was living under the radar for so long is terrifying! What else has he gotten away with???

MOO

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If he'd planned on getting away, I still think that's what the car, set up with all the ammo, and the Tannerite was for. Shoot it from a distance, cause more murder, mayhem, and a giant diversion, while he rolls right on out of there. The guard screwed that up for him.
 
Quick old simple question...What door was open or ajar that they send security to investigate? I never realized that if I had my hotel door open that security would come and check on it. Was it Paddock door a door to a utility closet or what...TIA for the answer to this simple question...
 
The 'defensiveness' is based on there being no actual evidence or history of known psychiatric problems.
There is also an aspect of white Americans automatically being cast as mentally ill whenever they commit an outrageous act, a Muslim/alleged/Daesh /AlQ carrying out similar act is automatically called a terrorist and the act an act of terrorism.
In fact any major attack on humanity is blamed first on Islam.. before the facts emerge. They were in this case too. Islamophobia is rampant.
My resistance to a mental illness label on this
dude is that there is no evidence he had lost the plot.
From what we know so far.. he was determined, willful, focused, alert and highly efficient.
He was highly intelligent and his calculations had even included wind velocity.. thats serious precision.
Re the gambling 'addiction' diagnosis, can people not see that some people work at 'gambling'- to make a living..
its a mathematical exercise.. with known odds.. Its their job..no more intense than several hours spent accounting for a salary.
whereas we know he had 2 failed marriages we are not aware of why they failed..

I think, its more likely his addiction was sexual, if that was an addiction..

The most important point is his rationale for a mass killing.
If not politically or personally motivated, then why?
what is the significance of the date October 1, 2017 for him? Add them, it comes to21=3..
What date did his father die?
any date in his life or in history that makes this significant?
Is there any evidence anywhere of his membership in any organisation at all?

This dour man..sometimes I get a feeling he had a deadline here, based on the alleged disintegration of his physical health.
the wSJ article, I posted earlier stated Sheriff was aware of medications but he did not elaborate on what they might have been..

I would be very interested in his autopsy blood tox screen, and general state of his body, possibly was terminal.. speculation..
I wonder if he ever met his father and the kinds of feelings he had about both his diagnosis and his treatment by LE.

Fwiw, I think for someone to be able to do this, anyone, no matter race, religion, sex, or creed, they've got to have something wrong upstairs. Also, SP is a domestic terrorist in my view. Others may not agree with me but that's how I view him.

Just b/c a person has a personality disorder, or is a psychopath, does not mean that they will become murderers. Psychopaths just lack emotion, or empathy. Many psychopaths are very intelligent. Ask anyone who has worked in a mental hospital. Having either of those diagnosis doesn't mean that you are not intelligent, nor determined, willful, focused, alert and highly efficient.

You may be working, or living, next to one, a number of psychopathic attributes [are] actually more common in business leaders than in so-called disturbed criminals — attributes such as superficial charm, egocentricity, persuasiveness, lack of empathy, independence, and focus.”

I agree with the gambling, he could have seen it as his job but that could still take a toll on one's body and mind due to the nature of the "job". Could be why he was prescribed valium. It would be a high stress job.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyc...0-jobs-that-attract-psychopaths/#589771164d80
 
So did Paddock commandeer Brian Hodge's room while he was at a show? 32134 is the second bedroom with the other broken window.


Mr Hodge, who is originally from Wagga Wagga, but has lived in Los Angeles for the past eight years, described seeing the SWAT team storm the hotel.

"The were in the full police gear and we could just see torches, and guns and they were yelling at everybody to 'stay down' or 'put their hands up'."

He said police told him the gunman was in the room 32135, just one room away from his hotel room.
"I'm room 32134 so I'm just so glad I didn't make it back to my room," he said.


https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/wo...stralian-man-brian-hodge-20171002-gysy9v.html
 
Can you smoke in casinos either on cruises or,in Vegas? The killer was sensitive to smells. Not to smoke?

Another possible clue that SP was more than likely a cocaine user (as is brother E. IMO), cocaine irritates the lining of the nose and creates abnormal sensitivity. If we could see videos of SP maybe we would also see the sniffiling of his sensitive coke nose.
the gloves he wore in everyday life could have been some OCD habit. wonder how often he washed his hands?
Did he ever go to Dr. for his 'supposed' hand skin allergy?

So now we're hearing he got prescriptions for Valium in 2016 AND 2017.
SP was right age as Coke became very popular in 80's. Coke was their uppper and they took other things for their
downers/relaxers such as pills or pot. the overly confident, cocky, arrogant attitude certainly fits also.
Have known other men similar to SP and they do not "love" their women- they "need" and "use" women but there's
no love involved.
And yes domestic violence is often involved, as is a string of broken relationships.
MLD may only be of limited help to LE, depending on her life experience and knowledge of "men", relationships, and
how educated she was. to some women, being treated like a dishrag is normal. they accept this because they may not know better or they were raised to just accept it.

I think we're getting a better picture of the loose screws in this family due to brother's performances for media.
Again, I would surmise some horrible treatment of SP in his childhood.
Did his mother have bf's while husband was in jail? Was father Paddock a mean SOB to his son, SP?

I still believe this was a 'spectacular suicide' for SP and he just went out in a 'bigger than life' manner, which in many ways, how he lived his life in his later years. SP equated the big money to himself to prop up his low self esteem, as he truly had a very poor self-image in spite of trying to act big. Just my opinion, but to me, it's a pretty clear picture.
And yes, I believe he had an 'addictive' personality'. Whether it was too many guns, round the clock gambling,
substance abuse- too much alcohol, or drugs, he was not 'normal' or well adjusted.
Lack of empathy and compassion, YES, but also NO MORALS. No inner filter to guide him. Life is all about pleasure-
for him, no one else. No, he was not 'loveable', he couldn't even love himself.
SP grew up a sad, lonely child- devoid of love, compassion and empathy but amongst violence. No parental guidance
on the rules of being a good son or citizens (morals). All about pleasuring him. His emotional growth was stunted.
Lots of these guys walking among us. Watch out!
 
Could he have been there to sell the guns?

Could SP have mistaken the security guard for police?

Why the 6 minutes in between the guard being shot and the crowd below?
 
Could he have been there to sell the guns?

Could SP have mistaken the security guard for police?

Why the 6 minutes in between the guard being shot and the crowd below?

That is what I'm thinking too. And if there is proof that he wanted to sell the guns, the fbi and police won't say anything to the public as it's probably a case of having people high up involved.


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Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said. He didn’t say whether Campos notified casino security after he was shot.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story,amp.html

Lombardo said investigators had compiled 200 “instances” of Paddock moving around Las Vegas before the attack, and he was always alone.
 
Did anybody see a very early report stating he had shot himself in the head? I did but I am unable to locate it right now.
I did see his post mortem photographs, #GRAPHIC
He was lying on his back, he was wearing comfortable loose clothes and what looked like expensive loafers, His right foot had a white sock on.
His eyes were open.
He had blood in and from his mouth and his head appeared to be resting in a pool of blood.
I DID notice a rather large stain on his sweatshirt, at chest level, its possible it was a photographic shadow, at a large stretch, but to my eyes it appeared to be from an injury, I speculated a richochet injury from the alleged firing at the door.. or that he had been hit by a LE bullet? I dont know what the significance is.
His face was unmarked, his hairstyle unchanged from all the photos we have seen already.
The footage and the stills I saw were from a highly disreputable site Liveleak, so I cannot vouch for them. He certainly did not have the appearance of a tortured being in death. In fact, he looked quite relaxed.
It was strange.

AFAIK his actual injuries haven’t been disclosed. I’m personally starting to think he accidentally shot himself (ricochet or otherwise), and he could only hold out 10 minutes or so before he became ineffective and decided to end it.
 
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