NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

[Iona]

It could not have been prevented.
Most mass shootings could not have been prevented.
Most acts of terrorism could not have been prevented.
Thats hard, but its true.
The hotel can only be held responsible if it is proven, as seems likely, that a delay occurred in contacting police or if evacuation procedures and emergency procedures were either not adequately in place or followed.
He was a regular guest.
It may not have been a large number of bags.. most of the equipment he used was compressible, heavy.. but not necessarily heavier than golf clubs..
A post much earlier today asked how much force it would have taken to smash the glass in his room.. I meant to bring the post up and ask again. Does anybody know?

He was a regular guest.
Bingo! This is what I have been thinking all along... They knew him on sight, hotel and casino staff, etc.
I remember when I was younger working at a Red Lobster, as a hostess/ waitress we knew the regulars,we knew their routine, were familiar with their wants/ needs,anything to make them happy...
Because ,at the end of the meal, the happier they were, the more my tip was... Reality tells me that tips in Las Vegas from someone who can afford 1 million per night must be AWESOME!!![emoji6]

I'll choose honest over perfect, every single time...

 

[bears10]

Found this from 1999!!
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3Wkn...6uco/wiki/Mandalay_Bay_Resort_and_Casino.html

Sorry it’s been a long week... I am not sure what I’m supposed to be looking at here... I don’t see anything about the makeup of the glass units but it’s def possible I overlooked. All I saw was something about smoked glass at Mandalay Beach pool. Can you direct me

 

[Iona]

{Sorry re spacing & word-breaks, etc. Tech difficulties, so my cut & paste from word doc. does not format correctly in post.}

Brother Eric’s plans for “Stephen’s assets” to benefit victims is admirable. It’s impossible to imagine short & long term effects– medical & psychological – on so many victims, families, and others. Eric can use his own assets to establish a trust to benefit victims and families, right now, this week, if he wishes. However Eric may or may not be in a position to do so w Stephen’s assets, depending in part on how Stephen’s assets were held/registered/titled. Welcoming our WS legal professionals to correct any inaccuracies (not an attorney, don’t play one on TV).

It’s likely IMO Stephen’s assets are not all registered/titled in only one way. For (hypothetical) examples, Mesquite home where Stephen & MLD lived may be titled in his name only while deed for Reno home may be in joint tenancy w rights of survivorship w his mother. His main checking a/c may (or may not) have his name & MLD name. His real estate investment properties may be in name of LLC or a partnership; his stockbrokerage account may be held in trust name. Etc.


Post death asset transfers ? Probate or non-probate?

--In joint ownership with other. If joint tenant/account holder (who does not happen to be Eric)with rights of survivorship, then the surviving owner/account holder is entitled to receive the deceased’s share of the a/c or asset (as well as his/her own original share). Except for real estate, this is often is handled thru the bank or financial institution, w no probate court involvement. Unless Eric’s name is on a/c as JTWRoS, there’s nothing for Eric to give, now or later.

---In his name only, but w “pay-on-death” or “transfer-on-death” designation? If so, bank/credit union/ stock brokerage/other financial institution may, upon receiving proper documentation, pay or transfer to payee(s) or transferee(s), w no probate court procedure. (ß--ordinarily*) Is Eric so-named? IDK.

---In his name only(no p-o-d or t-o-d designation) and Stephen either -
--------left NO WILL? If so, estate would go thru probate court in Stephen’s state of residence and would be divided and transferred per INTESTACY statutes of that state, presumably Nevada. Have not checked NV laws yet, to see who would benefit if Stephen left no will. (ß--ordinarily*) Eric? IDK.
-------had WILL, then the named/appointed executor or personal rep, would administer estate, per terms of will thru a probate court proceeding to ensure that estate goes to ppl or entities Stephen named. Even as executor or personal rep, Eric’s position would not permit him to give to shooting victims. If Eric is named as a beneficiary, he would have no control of those assets, until after$ or prop is distributed to him. Then if he can go ahead & estab. trust as he announced. (ß--ordinarily*)

--In name of revocable self-administered living trust for his own benefit that Stephen established, hypo ex: Stephen Paddock trustee for Stephen Paddock Trust, agreement dated Jan 10, 2010. Unless Eric was named as a successor trustee, Eric has no say or role re those assets .If Eric was named as a successor trustee, then per trust-agreement terms in document,he is obligated to administer trust and transfer those trust-titled assets to the named individuals or entities (Hypothetical ex’s: Niece Nanette Norton, Frederick Q. Friend, United Way of America, XYZ Denomination Church of Mesquite, et al), not to Eric’s choice of recipients. Property is not administered thru probate court. (ß--ordinarily*)


---In name of LLC/limited liability corporation, a common method of ownership for real estate investors. No role for Eric in deciding what to do with any such assets, as he is not entitled to them, unless the governing terms of LLC agreement or Stephen’s will (after probate proceedings) provides that they go to him. Disposition of Stephen’s ownership in LLC (likely inv. real estate, imo) could be made thru probate court (or ? Anyone know? IDK). (ß--ordinarily*)

Although Eric’s intention to use his brother’s assets to benefit shooting victims is laudable, it’s not clear how he thinks he’ll get timely access to any of the assets to do this. Lacking savvy/life exp. on the issue? Does he think because he said he’ll use Stephen’s assets for a worthy cause that fin’cl. institutions& probate courts will totally disregard ppl entitled to that $ by law and hand over Stephen’s assets/funds to him? I wonder if he sought legal advice beforehand.

Regardless unbelievably horrific action by shooter.

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* This (ß--ordinarily*) caveat is added inlight of a lawsuit filed by some victims’ families to freeze Stephen’s assets,in hopes that those assets will eventually be awarded to pay damages inwrongful death suits. IDK what willhappen re this. Likely imo this or other lawsuits would significantly delaydistribution of Stephen’s estate – both probate estate & non-probate estate.

Great post.

I'll choose honest over perfect, every single time...

 

[kittythehare]

Sorry it’s been a long week... I am not sure what I’m supposed to be looking at here... I don’t see anything about the makeup of the glass units but it’s def possible I overlooked. All I saw was something about smoked glass at Mandalay Beach pool. Can you direct me

I was searching for window specs and found entire history, only comment re windows was re gold plating.. I shared it more for the general picture and history it presented, sorry.

 

[bears10]

This NBC video contains what appears to be a flyby of the broken windows. While I'm no expert, it indeed looks like they could've been whacked out with a hammer, as has been stated in the media.

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/polic...more-than-one-window-at-victims-1059737667989

It’s still kind of far to tell. Glass may seem simple but there is a lot to it. If it’s a thick tempered or lami unit it’d be hard to break. It’s called safety glass for a reason. These windows are large. Safety glass isn’t like picture frame glass.

 

[bears10]

I was searching for window specs and found entire history, only comment re windows was re gold plating.. I shared it more for the general picture and history it presented, sorry.

Yes now I see it... my eyes ran past that. No need to be sorry at all. I just truly wasn’t sure if I was missing something since I am tired.

 

[Ambitioned]

He was a regular guest.
Bingo! This is what I have been thinking all along... They knew him on sight, hotel and casino staff, etc.
I remember when I was younger working at a Red Lobster, as a hostess/ waitress we knew the regulars,we knew their routine, were familiar with their wants/ needs,anything to make them happy...
Because ,at the end of the meal, the happier they were, the more my tip was... Reality tells me that tips in Las Vegas from someone who can afford 1 million per night must be AWESOME!!![emoji6]

I'll choose honest over perfect, every single time...

Yup!! They see a VIP guest, they're not gonna question him bringing in golf bags or whatever over the course of three or four days.

 

[bears10]

Yup!! They see a VIP guest, they're not gonna question him bringing in golf bags or whatever over the course of three or four days.

Unless it was the same staff working every time he walked in with a new bag, why would they suspect it was a new bag each time and not just that he left with the bag and came back with the same one? Whether he is a regular or not.

 

[MistyWaters]

I'm curious, does anyone know the protocol for an unarmed security guard? I'd assume JC received some type of training. In the event that a violent threat was detected and then called in to the security head, is it possible his training required that he stay in as safe as place as possible in order to warn others and prevent them from unknowingly getting off the evelator and at risk of getting shot? The way the maintenance guy describes it, it sort of seems so.


"Stephen Schuck, identified by NBC as a hotel maintenance worker, credited Campos with saving his life.

"When the first shooting started, I was kind of frozen for a second," Schuck told NBC on Wednesday. "He yelled at me, 'Take cover! Take cover!' If he yelled a second too late, I would have been shot."

"As soon as I started to go to a door to my left the rounds started coming down the hallway," Schuck said. "I could feel them pass right behind my head.

"It was kind of relentless so I called over the radio what was going on," he added. "As soon as the shooting stopped we made our way down the hallway and took cover again and then the shooting started again."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/1...bags-as-resort-cops-differ-over-timeline.html

 

[canadiangirl]

I don't understand why law enforcement should of kept the Reno house in their custody and secured.
The Mesquite (spelling) house was the one they lived in. My understanding is that they are going back to do a behavior analysis on it. I get the responsibility of law enforcement to be responsible for securing that house.
As far as we know the Reno home is empty. First he moved out them MD took three days to move out. If it is empty and they have already searched it wouldn't they turn it over to the next of kiin? If they did turn it over to next of kin wouldn't it be thier responsibility to have it secured?

If the house was empty then why the break and enter and why now? Curious "fans"?

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[jjenny]

If the house was empty then why the break and enter and why now? Curious "fans"?

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There are no people living in it, but presumably the belongings could have remained.

 

[m00c0w]

I don't understand why law enforcement should of kept the Reno house in their custody and secured.
The Mesquite (spelling) house was the one they lived in. My understanding is that they are going back to do a behavior analysis on it. I get the responsibility of law enforcement to be responsible for securing that house.
As far as we know the Reno home is empty. First he moved out them MD took three days to move out. If it is empty and they have already searched it wouldn't they turn it over to the next of kiin? If they did turn it over to next of kin wouldn't it be thier responsibility to have it secured?

If there is another actor and there was some evidence at that house... anything... it’s now likely inadmissible because of the break-in.

 

[jjenny]

I'm curious, does anyone know the protocol for an unarmed security guard? I'd assume JC received some type of training. In the event that a violent threat was detected and then called in to the security head, is it possible his training required that he stay in as safe as place as possible in order to warn others and prevent them from unknowingly getting off the evelator and at risk of getting shot? The way the maintenance guy describes it, it sort of seems so. ..

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/1...bags-as-resort-cops-differ-over-timeline.html

There is no way rules are going to require someone who is wounded to stay on the scene to do whatever. He could have bled to death during that time. My understanding is that they were in hiding while the shooting was going on, and that's why they didn't leave.

 

[bestill]

I haven't posted since the very beginning because I've been very busy. I am curious as to why the shooter would have all those weapons in his room when he could only shoot one at the time. I could understand a few of them but why so many?

 

[jjenny]

If there is another actor and there was some evidence at that house... anything... it’s now likely inadmissible because of the break-in.

House was already searched. I don't see why evidence wouldn't be admissible.

 

[jjenny]

I haven't posted since the very beginning because I've been very busy. I am curious as to why the shooter would have all those weapons in his room when he could only shoot one at the time. I could understand a few of them but why so many?

If you want to kill as many people as possible, then you would have as many weapons as possible.

 

[m00c0w]

House was already searched. I don't see why evidence wouldn't be admissible.

Maybe I was a little unclear. Sorry. If they came up with something new, now, it would be tainted. If it was found prior to the break-in, no issues.

 

[jjenny]

Maybe I was a little unclear. Sorry. If they came up with something new, now, it would be tainted. If it was found prior to the break-in, no issues.

Lets hope they searched it real good the first time.

 

[bestill]

If you want to kill as many people as possible, then you would have as many weapons as possible.

No doubt the desire was to kill as many as possible but from what I'm reading they weren't all set up and ready to shoot.

 

[canadiangirl]

If there is another actor and there was some evidence at that house... anything... it’s now likely inadmissible because of the break-in.

Bingo. Which is exactly why it should have been guarded

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