NV NV - Las Vegas, WhtMale 18-65, 525UMNV, hanged at hotel, moles, scars, clothes, Jun'99

[jodierenee]

I think Ron Nordstrom is a good match, despite the circumstances.

 

[Ambercat]

I think Ron Nordstrom is a good match, despite the circumstances.

I think I may have gotten distracted by my preconceived ideas about who the decedent is. If you haven't already, you might want to ask Clark County if if the UID is Ron Nordstrom. Shin Masamura thought that he might be, too. The dates check out and I don't think the circumstances are overly off.

 

[Ambercat]

I noticed that Osbal López Montenegro who was last seen in Tijuana, Mexico on March 4, 1999 bears a strong resemblance to this UID (who I always thought of as "Vincent Doe"), in the morgue photo more than the reconstruction sketch. If I am calculating centimeters to inches correctly, Mr. Montenegro's height is about the same as the unidentified man found at the El Rancho/Thunderbird parking structure.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3720dmmx.html

As far as negatives go, the Doe Network says that Osbal López Montenegro has a tattoo on his shoulder and there is no mention of tattoos for the UID. Also, their hairlines look different and I am not sure if it is a styling issue or if there is a bigger difference?

Was Ron Nordstrom ruled out as a possible match? If he was, it doesn't say on the NamUs site. Sorry, I have been in the process of moving and haven't been around Websleuths as much as I would like.

 

[Ambercat]

I wasn't really sure if Ron Louis Nordstrom was ruled out or not as being this UID, so I e-mailed Clark County and asked. If it he is Mr. Nordstrom, his birthday is June 14th, the same day the unidentified man hung himself. That is very sad.

 

[Shin Masamura]

I didnt realize that about his birthday, I would have followed up if so. great catch

 

[Ambercat]

Earlier, I received an e-mail from Rick Jones of Clark County Coroner/Medical Examiner's Office. Ron Nordstrom and John "El Rancho" Doe are NOT the same person --

Hi Kathryn, Unfortunately, FBI came back with - not a match. I called FBI SPC and requested a check in case the prints were reversed on antemortem or postmortem fingerprint cards and she checked and there are catastrophic inconsistencies resulting in no match. Thank you so much for the help. I talked to the missing person detective and they are in the process of submitting family reference DNA to UNT who will upload it into CODIS. They may still get an ID soon.

I really think that someone would remember this guy -- (IMO) he had a very distinct look. I wonder if LE asked around at the hotels in the area if he could have been a guest who recently checked out?

 

[Ambercat]

I received an e-mail from Det. Brent Crosswhite of the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office (investigating Ron Nordstrom's missing person case) --

Thank you for your interest in this case. We have looked into the information you provided and have concluded that these two individuals are not the same person.

 

[Ambercat]

:bump:
I noticed that Charles Franklin Hoekstra, a man who went missing from Rowlett, TX on December 9, 1993 has scars on both of his ankles like the man from the El Rancho. His height, weight, eye and hair color are also consistent with the UID. The circumstances of his disappearance are not.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9104/34
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/610dmtx.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hoekstra_charles.html

I also keep coming back to Ralph Coppola as a possibility.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9292/106

 

[carbuff]

:bump:
I noticed that Charles Franklin Hoekstra, a man who went missing from Rowlett, TX on December 9, 1993 has scars on both of his ankles like the man from the El Rancho. His height, weight, eye and hair color are also consistent with the UID. The circumstances of his disappearance are not.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9104/34
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/610dmtx.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hoekstra_charles.html

I also keep coming back to Ralph Coppola as a possibility.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9292/106

The resemblance to Hoekstra is startling, but if you look closely at the tip of the nose, it's quite different.

I like Coppola as a possibility. He's got a connection to Las Vegas and a reason to depart without leaving a forwarding address, so to speak. And once he absconded, he might easily have found himself with nowhere else to turn a few months later. If it's him, he'd have lost 50lbs or more. The photo of the UID shows that same frown and, though it might be an accident of the camera angle, the same attitude. The nose and brows seem to match. And while it's hard to make out in the photo, he may have a mole on his left cheek.

 

[Ambercat]

I e-mailed and asked if he had been compared with Ralph Coppola, something I had been thinking about for sometime. If he is, this would mean that Mr. Coppola was not murdered by Liborio Bellomo (which seems to be what a lot of people in New York believe happened to him). I received an e-mail from Kim M Law of NYS ViCAP stating --

the information will be forwarded to the investigating agency for review. thank you for your interest.

 

[Ambercat]

I received an e-mail today from Kim M Law of NYS ViCAP saying that Ralph Coppola had been ruled out as being this UID.

 

[Ambercat]

Recently, I noticed Joseph Nero who is missing from Palgrave, Ontario. The height is off, the circumstances of his disappearance are --

Joseph Niro last contacted his daughter by telephone on 2 June 1999. He has not been seen since.

If the June 2nd date is correct, that would mean he went missing slightly less than two weeks before the unidentified man at the El Rancho was found, but the OPP Missing Persons website lists the date he was last seen as June 20, 1999.

He has dark hair and brown eyes, like the UID, and most of all, Mr. Nero reportedly has --

Moles on face

http://www.missing-u.ca/MPDetail.aspx?PersonID=184

 

[micheleonelonly]

Ambercat,

Did you submit Joseph Nero? That is annoying about the date of last contact vs date last seen... UID's namus page lists Ashley Grygor as the case contact and has a phone number. I have a Nevada phone # (northern NV area code) if you would like me to call her.

 

[Ambercat]

Ambercat,

Did you submit Joseph Nero? That is annoying about the date of last contact vs date last seen... UID's namus page lists Ashley Grygor as the case contact and has a phone number. I have a Nevada phone # (northern NV area code) if you would like me to call her.

I submitted him a few months ago and never heard back. I never heard back from them. So far, Joseph Nero hasn't been listed as a rule out. If you want to ask, too, I don't think it can hurt (plus I'm curious to know :blushing.

 

[micheleonelonly]

I submitted him a few months ago and never heard back. I never heard back from them. So far, Joseph Nero hasn't been listed as a rule out. If you want to ask, too, I don't think it can hurt (plus I'm curious to know :blushing.

I'll call them tomorrow

 

[Ambercat]

While I was searching NamUs, thinking about a completely different UID, I noticed Edward Consuegra, who I think looks a lot like the unidentified man found at the El Rancho.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4783/40

There is a fairly large discrepancy in height between the two, though (Mr. Consuegra is about 5'9", the unidentified man is about 6' tall). I'm not sure if that is a deal breaker (if it was the other way (with the missing person being taller than the UID I would probably not be as concerned).

 

[Ambercat]

I wanted to add that Richard Wayne Guarro https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/18483 has been ruled out by fingerprints.

Edward Sirio Consuegra https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4783/45 has also been ruled out by fingerprints (back in 2006) --

http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/index.php?showtopic=4916

I'm not sure about Joseph Niro -- I wonder if they were ever able to get the information about him from Canadian authorities?

 

[Ambercat]

Recently, Nicholas Zizzamia was suggested and ruled out as another UID. While reading about Nicholas, I couldn't help but notice that he has at least one mole on his left (?) cheek. I know that Nicholas is much heavier than the unidentified suicide victim at the El Rancho Hotel, otherwise a lot of the vital statistics are similar. Nicholas Zizzamia would have been about 42 years old in 1999 -- this UID looks like he is probably in his early 40s (IMO).

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9874
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20140615_35_years_later__still_no_answers_on_a_disappearance.html

Some of the investors who bought the El Rancho property were having difficulties in the summer of 1999 (I think I read this in older copies of the Las Vegas Sun newspaper, but it has been a while and I don't remember 100%). It seems though, if he was related to these investors, he would have been IDed? I also came across a photo of the El Rancho's parking structure in the 1990s. I wonder if he picked that spot because it was there and convenient for him or it had another meaning for him? It was sort of at the north end of the strip.

 

[CCart]

He looks like he could be from a different country. Armenia? Serbia? Turkey? He just has a look.

 

[Ambercat]

I thought about that, too; yet always [for some reason] thought about how the Clark County Coroner disclosed they believed that another suicide victim http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?135379-NV-Las-Vegas-WhtMale-513UMNV-45-50-Seiko-watch-Jan-97 was possibly from Europe, I assumed that if they thought this UID was not domestic they would have said something. I believe that he had some dental work done while he was alive (they used to have more about it on his NamUs page before they changed the format). He does have an exotic look that people would remember. I thought that he was probably Italian-American, but it can't hurt to look at missing people from other places.

I wonder if LE asked around at the local hotels/casinos after they found his body? I would think that someone would have remembered him. I have read that there are a lot of suicides in Nevada, yet strangely have encountered little about what the protocol is in Las Vegas after they find someone who has killed themselves except to say usually the local businesses don't want the tourists to notice. Does anyone have more information about this?