NY NY - Ellery, WhtFem 193UFNY, 33-37, GSW, off Route 17, Dec'83

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  1. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Cannot find much information about this missing woman who is originally from Hungary.
    Erzebeth Szita Service de police de la Ville de Montréal - SPVM
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    Missing Person Profile
    Last Name Szita
    First Name Erzebeth
    Age (at disappearance) 37
    Year of birth 1944
    Height 163 cm / 5ft-4in
    Weight 60 kg
    Hair color Brown
    Eye color Brown
    Case number 48-190315-006
    Last known location

    Mme Erzebeth Szita est d’origine hongroise. Elle a été vue pour la dernière fois le 30 octobre 1981 à Montréal. Ce matin-là, Erzebeth était à son domicile pour préparer le lunch de son mari. M. Szita a quitté peu après pour le travail. Ce vendredi, leur femme de ménage est arrivée au domicile pour sa dernière journée de travail. Plus tard dans la journée, cette dernière a contacté M. Szita pour l’informer de la disparition de Mme Szita.
     


  2. victoriarobinson642

    victoriarobinson642 Well-Known Member

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    I don't speak French but Google Translate says:
    "Ms. Erzebeth Szita is of Hungarian origin. She was last seen on October 30, 1981, in Montreal. That morning, Erzebeth was at her home to prepare her husband's lunch. Mr. Szita left shortly after for work. That Friday, their cleaning lady arrived at home for her last day of work. Later that day, she contacted Mr. Szita to inform her of Ms. Szita's disappearance."
     
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  3. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    @dotr you should submit this if you haven't already
     
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  4. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope Unite...love will always win.

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    Jee...@Dotr. What a good find! I think you should send this in.
     
  5. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, sent a message to the NY LE.
     
  6. eb13

    eb13 New Member

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    Hi there! I am new to the WS community but have been looking around on the internet to see updates on this Jane Doe for a few years now since I am from the region where she was located. Any updates from the LE or any additional info on Erzebeth (alt sp Erzsebet/Erzsebeth)? I can't seem to find much about her disappearance other than an article in a Montreal paper in '82 stating she was a housewife from Nuns' Island. The resemblance is so uncanny I have not seen one so similar after looking through Doe Network. Wonderful find and great overall thread to help put a name and give peace to this woman/her family.
     
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  7. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to Ws eb13!
    The only information i can find so far about Erzsebetis, is what has been posted, maybe i should start a thread for her and see if anyone pops up with more info. Thanks!
    ETA, started thread..
    CANADA - Erzebeth Szita, 37, Montreal, Quebec (Nun's Island) 30 October 1981
     
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  8. Giuc0

    Giuc0 Well-Known Member

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    I wish we had more information about her!!

    I have found nothing on Doe Network, nor on ADRTV (which site is reliable, but no longer updated since 2013).

    Her topic doesn't mention anything more than the Montréal Police website.

    What caught my interest is this part:
    This part doesn't appear on the English version: Erzebeth Szita Service de police de la Ville de Montréal - SPVM

    The only part that bothers me is her Hungarian origin, as in 1981, Hungary was part of USSR. So, I clearly doubt that she'd gone back and forth between Montréal and Hungary in those days. Furthermore, in those days, clothing was difficult to find there.
    Hungary opened its border with Austria only in 1989 per Wikipedia.
    From the limited information we have, she seemed to be well established at Montréal. Even if Québec was strongly French speaking, they used American size clothing scale AFAIK.
    So, unless she and her husband were known to often travel in Western Europe, I don't think that the MP is a match with our UID.
    Jane Doe was wearing only European size clothing, which was not available in Québec.

    Being an established housewife at Montréal is against a match because of the clothing size scale. I agree with the uncanny resemblance, but I don't think that it's her.
     
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  9. Giuc0

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    Another possibility I am exploring: Switzerland.

    1) Italian is an official language and you can easily go to Italy from Lugano or Bellinzona
    2) Italian clothing size bought in thrift store is a reasonable possibility
    3) In those days, women were often housewives and skilled at knitting, sewing....

    Why didn't it cross my mind?

    Problem: each canton has its own database and Interpol Yellow notices doesn't allow researching by place of disappearance.
    Which is pretty annoying!!

    Any German speaker willing to comb German-speaking cantons in Switzerland? Thank you
     
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  10. Giuc0

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    So far, I found nothing for Switzerland. Geeee!
     
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  11. Falling Down

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    Just one issue I have with your great post...

    Hungary actually had the most "free" economy of the Eastern Bloc countries, and despite the travel restrictions many Hungarians did travel abroad to both non-Soviet and communist countries.
     
  12. Giuc0

    Giuc0 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for this piece of info
     
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  13. Giuc0

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    Well, the more I think about Erzebeth Szita, the more I think that it could work. Especially the fact that she had a crown, which could be a gold crown.
    UID dentals:
    Underlined by me.

    Our MP:
    "Couronne" can be of gold.


    Now, what still bothers me with her is still the clothing scale size. As Canada used the US clothing scale, which doesn't match with our MP more likely than not clothing size scale on her clothing.

    As we know, our UID wore European clothing scale, and our MP wore more likely than not American size clothing.

    I wish we knew more about her background though!
     
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  14. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope Unite...love will always win.

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    @dotr Did you heard anything back about Erzebeth Szita? You did sent her in I believe?
     
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    Yes, i sent an email, but no response- possibly i sent it incorrectly, never had much luck reaching out with potential matches, so rarely do it and hope others send in any viable ones that i may post on this and other threads.
     
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  16. Giuc0

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    Phone is your best bet I think
     
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    As a local. If you don’t pester them the cops are not going to look into it... the cops around here are notoriously bad. The similarities are uncanny. It’s worth giving them a call.
     
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  18. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope Unite...love will always win.

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  19. Find Brenda

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    I also sent a message to SPVM. It is possible...you never know.
     
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  20. Find Brenda

    Find Brenda Well-Known Member

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    The SPVM replied to me on 11/11/20:

    "...it is presently being looked into thank you..it takes a minimum of 6 weeks to have the return..thank you for your concern"

    We shall wait and see.
     
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