NY NY - Kellisue M. Ackernecht, 35, Johnstown, 30 Sept 2008

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Dream I sent you an email included some answers for you.
Nothing new for Kellisue. Wish we had some news
 
I am an Upstater as well and I had not heard anything about these missing women. :( I know that we have a NY forum here. If someone has the time to start threads for each of these women then I would gladly take a peek at their stories with my fellow NYers and see what we can come up with.

I am very sad for Kellisue and her family. I hope that they are able to find answers soon.
 
IMHO: Kellisue Ackernecht:

Kelliesue A got off work at 9:30p.m. in Amsterdam, NY. It was a 30 minute
drive home. From some accounts, a coworker was with her in the car.
Unknown if she was giving the coworker a ride home or going out for coffee.
Let's suppose she went out for coffee. We could expect her to arrive home
by 10:30p..m.
If that is true, then what happened between 10:30p.m. and 12:30a.m, when a neighbor heard gunshots.
Maybe a big argument.
or another scenario, she went out with a coworker, perhaps they were more
than friends or there was a friendly shoulder to cry on, then maybe
she did not get home til 11:30pm. or midnight.

If Kellisue A was murdered, then what happened to her from
the time gunshots were heard 12:30a.m. til 3:00a.m. when
car fire reported.

Where would a killer have hid her body?
Are there new construction sites going on in Johnstown?
Are there abandoned buildings?
The river is nearby and the news articles say the river
was checked.
There is a major thoroughfare five miles away. Her body
could be anywhere.
But then why set the car on fire?
To destroy evidence.
But from what I have read, there can be trace evidence after
a fire.

http://stampfl.blogspot.com/2007/11/burning-car-to-ground.html
how fire investigators work and how quickly a car can go up in flames.

http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bin/read/2009/01_26-06/FOR
dna found in arson case.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-fire-experts_millsjan26,0,6151666.story
Craig Beyler, Maryland prominent fire investigation expert.
 
I hope that when the snow melts we are able to go out and do a thorough search. I am trying to get local papers to put something back in about Kellisue but they are reluctant because there has been no new information.
 
allaster said:
I hope that when the snow melts we are able to go out and do a thorough search. I am trying to get local papers to put something back in about Kellisue but they are reluctant because there has been no new information.
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allaster:
When does the snow melt in Johnstown, NY?
What about a memorial at the six month marker?
Invite the media, law enforcement, the district attorney,
your congressman. Have buttons, business cards, posters
with Kelliesue's missing/believed murdered info ready to pass out
to everyone. Have a good speaker who represents Kellisue.
Maybe a brother or sister? Have a pastor there for a prayer.
Links on the posters, buttons, to have them call law enforcement, but also to Kelliesue's website.
I know many websites devote time on how to have a successful
memorial.
 
The snow should be melted by the end of March. Oncein awhile we end up with snow into April, but it is usually just a dusting and melts away fairly quickly.
 
Jayson Ackernecht has became very active in the search for his wife. He has been in contact with TES, and their are plans in the future for a search!!! Just wanted to update everyone. Jayson is also planning a fundraiser to donate money to TES for coming and doing a search!
 
allaster said:
Jayson Ackernecht has became very active in the search for his wife. He has been in contact with TES, and their are plans in the future for a search!!! Just wanted to update everyone. Jayson is also planning a fundraiser to donate money to TES for coming and doing a search!
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Let me count. Oct./Nov./Dec./Jan./Feb./ = 5 five months.

Now, Jayson Ackernecht if very active in the search for his wife.

Good to know. And verrrrry interrrrresting.
 
dreamweaver said:
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Let me count. Oct./Nov./Dec./Jan./Feb./ = 5 five months.

Now, Jayson Ackernecht if very active in the search for his wife.

Good to know. And verrrrry interrrrresting.
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Yeah, I have to agree with you for a variety of reasons ...
 
I met Jayson in person today. He has contacted Texas equusearch and is working on planning a fundraiser so the money can be donated to TES for coming and doing a search for Kellisue.
I guess we will see what happens.
He did express he had felt threatened by her brothers.
He holds a job, but has some health problems with seizures
I got to see a picture of Kellisue and Jayson's little girl, she is precious it makes every bit of work I have done on her website etc worth it. This little girl deserves closure.
I will not stop and will continue to help in any way I can until Kellisue is found.
 
Theory: What may have happened to Kellisue A:
Kellisue leaves work at 9:35p.m, Tues., Sept. 30, 2008 from Rite Aid, Amsterdam, NY.
It is about a half hour drive home to Johnstown, NY.
She never arrives home.
12:15 a.m., Oct. 1, 2008, a neighbor in Johnstown, NY hears gunshots.
1:53 a.m., Oct. 1, 2008, car is reported on fire.
The car is the 10 year old Saturn that Kellisue was driving. The burned out car is three blocks from Kellisue's home.
Kellisue is not found. Searches on foot, by dog, in the air, by divers, did not find a trace of Kellisue.
LE theory is that Kellisue ran away, classified as missing.
LE theory Jan. 2009 is that this case is not a criminal investigation.
LE says the car fire started in the engine, this from tests they conducted.
It has been over five months and not one single person has heard from Kellisue.
Not her daughter whom by all accounts she was devoted to, not her husband, not her siblings, not her coworkers, not one person.
Do I think Kellisue is missing? No, I do not.
I think Kellisue is dead.
Where is her body?
I do not know.
If the gunshots heard were true, then where was Kellisue from 9:35 p.m to 12:15a.m.?
Two and one half hours.
I would tend to think she was abducted, like so many single women have been, driving home late at night. The fake police car, the car bumped and she stopped, and then taken. BUT, her car is found very near her home. On fire.
If she was abducted, her car would either be by the side of the road or never found.
If there was dna evidence in the car, the abductor would burn it on the side of the road.
BUT,
Her car shows up, burned so completely, there is no dna evidence to be found.
Her car is just around the block from where she lives, close to a river, close to the Walmartm close to a jogging trail.
I think someone she knew killed her.
I think she either came home and something happened.
or
Someone she knew well waylaid her before she got home.
Maybe to talk.
Was there arguing, escalating into violence?
Maybe she is killed in the car?
Her body dumped into a local dumpster?
Does Walmart have daily garbage service?
Maybe she is buried nearby?
If the gunshots heard are correct,
then there are 1 1/2 hours of time
to conceal her body.
That is 45 minutes to drive her body somewhere else and return
and set the car on fire.
OR
That is 1 1/2 hours to transport her body, dig a grave and go back.
A major NY freeway is five minutes from her home.

A big question to me is:
If she is murdered in the car, why not set everything on fire, including
the body?
Blood evidence would be destroyed. If she was shot, there might be evidence.
But, why take a risk of leaving the car there for 1 1/2 hours and knowing it could
be looked at?
I do not know.
But I do know, there is no such thing as a coincidence.
1. kellisue's car is found on fire three blocks from her home.
2. kellisue is missing.
3. kellisue has never been in contact with anyone, since Sept. 30, 2008.
4. gunshots were heard at 12:15a.m.
 
Thank you, Dreamweaver. I think Kellisue is dead, too. And searches must be done.
 
I have been working very hard on this. It is only 15 minutes from me. The gun shots could of been tires popping from what information I am getting from other people. We are hoping Texas EquuSearch gives a date when they will come, the snow is melting at a rapid pace, however the fields still have mud and about a foot of water.
We have a date for a Spaghetti Supper Benefit May 4,2009 5-8pm Lombardos Pizza, St.Johnsville, New York. Tickets will be 12 dollars per person all funds will be donated to Texas EquuSearch . Kellisue has a beautiful 9 year old girl who needs closure. She misses her mom, and her mom would NEVER LEAVE willingly. I will keep on working till there is closure.
 
allaster:
Thank you for your continued efforts for Kellisue A.
 
Thank you Dream, I wasn't able to find a link. I killed my comp over the weekend still trying to figure out my roadrunner password, so I can check my email there!
 
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