NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #9

[KPCrimeNY]

I have extensive knowledge of tides and currents around the Island. A body from Gilgo would not end up in between the forks out East.

A body tossed in the water in Flanders bay could drift to the location where this body was found. However, Flanders (as well as Little Peconic) bay is on the shallow side and is heavily travelled.

My best guess would be that this body was tossed overboard from a boat, not the shore. It could have come from as far away as Rhode Island or Mass and with the last storm and strong Easterly winds, it washed up on this beach. More likely, the body was disposed of in the waters East of Montauk near Block Island Sound. In that area there would have been a fifty-fifty chance that it could have been carried out to sea instead of washing up on NY soil.

Once again, this points towards a fisherman or someone with ties to the fishing community.

I just posted so long I got signed out.....uuuuggh! Lost the post that is frustrating. Thanks for your reply Seaslug

 

[MrsPC]

So at first I was assuming this was on the South Shore (a Ocean Beach). Now I see that it is actually in the Bay in between the North and South Fork.

Could a body from Gilgo get to a Bay beach between the forks like this one?

Something else I will throw out there because of the dismembered part. Could a body thrown in Flanders Bay (10 miles from Manorville) get to the shore of this beach in Amagansett?

IMO, it's possible the body wasn't dismembered but disarticulated due to other circumstances....I still remember the Laci Peterson case, with her apparently having been weighted down by the neck, when only her headless torso washed ashore...

here's an informative link about human decomp in water

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/notes/water.pdf

 

[KPCrimeNY]

Just some thougts I've had recently while lurking...(Just my opinions)

Rumors said Suffolk Police Commish is getting fired and Levy said he's not. The Commish in my eyes pretty much disappears from this case. The FBI brings in plane around the same time. I have thought that the FBI plane was more of the FBI stepping in and taking over more then lending a hand. This is where, in my opinion, this case has gotten almost too quiet (maybe by choice?).

Now we heard (correct me if I'm wrong) there was nothing of note from the plane searches or we heard nothing at all? Still, all to quiet and wierd for me. Around that same time the news here on LI tells us that the Westbound side of Ocean PKWY will be closed until May 27th. Now this seemed wierd to me, maybe I am just reading too far. But, with any spot on that Island being a potential crime scene it gets my attention. Also the thought came to me that if it was a potential crime scene why send a bunch of work crews out there to mess things up?

I know a few people that use Ocean PKWY to travel the length of it East and West during Rush Hour. None of them have seen any sign of road work since then when headed in either direction. I asked them to look because it all sounded fishy to me.

Anyways, this past Friday I drove the entire PKWY West to East between 12:30pm and 1pm. It was a different ride from the joy rides we once took or the trips to the beach. I guess I was just in a different mind set. I can tell you that the entire ride I did not see one Police car from any Department. There were also many stretches of that road where I could have took 5-10 minutes to dump anything I wanted between the times I said above. I do remember passing the communtiy in question. I remembering seeing a house that I saw here and saying to myself "damn, that's JB's house" thought it was my mind playing tricks. Seeing what I wanted and not what I should type deal. After looking at the map, it was I'm sure. The whole area had a wierd feeling to me. Again, I am sure because of the way I feel about the case.

One thing I did want to point out was that there was alot of work being done on the Robert Moses Causeway bridge. It came down to one lane driving real slow. As I passed a major part of the construction there was a large pickup or small dump truck. In the back of that truck was what looked like two or three55 gallon drums. Each were overflowing with Burlap or Burlap Sacks. After seeing that though, I could not see anymore through out the rest of the construction zone.

 

[Reannan]

Interesting that this guy has a studio on Orchard Street on the Lower East side, AND a studio in Amagansett. Probably just another example of strange coincidences keep cropping up in this case. (SBM)

"Nick Weber's "*advertiser censored* Paintings," which is inspired by scenes from Internet *advertiser censored*, has caused a stir amongst parents walking past Windows Gallery on Orchard Street with their children to PS 42. The canvases can be seen from the street....

Weber has a studio in Amagansett. ....


"It's art," he said. "I started doing them because I was conflicted about how something that is bad could be beautiful. They are not photographs -- they take about six months to paint."



....


"Paintings of a man sucking on someone else's foot, or a threesome being watched by another man, are no longer smut, the gallery owner said.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/..._outrage_OrGlFfj0xXdrsB8f4Xb3RM#ixzz1N8csz5MJ
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[KPCrimeNY]

Interesting that this guy has a studio on Orchard Street on the Lower East side, AND a studio in Amagansett. Probably just another example of strange coincidences keep cropping up in this case. (SBM)

"Nick Weber's "*advertiser censored* Paintings," which is inspired by scenes from Internet *advertiser censored*, has caused a stir amongst parents walking past Windows Gallery on Orchard Street with their children to PS 42. The canvases can be seen from the street....

Weber has a studio in Amagansett. ....


"It's art," he said. "I started doing them because I was conflicted about how something that is bad could be beautiful. They are not photographs -- they take about six months to paint."



....


"Paintings of a man sucking on someone else's foot, or a threesome being watched by another man, are no longer smut, the gallery owner said.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/..._outrage_OrGlFfj0xXdrsB8f4Xb3RM#ixzz1N8csz5MJ
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:floorlaugh: I read the same thing and had the same thoughts a little earlier

 

[scandi]

Yes, MrsPC. This is Suffolk County out in the Hamptons on the north shore of the south fork.

East Hampton PD has control out their but they don't have much of a homicide squad. They called in SCPD Homicide to help out.

Again, thanks to you and our other locals for your input.

Is this 'Hampton' area the same as the one in the TV show 'Royal Pains'?

 

[goathairjones]

OK so I finally was able to talk to my friend who knows that guy in Oak Beach. It wouldn't surprise him if he was involved in the disappearance of SG. I mentioned that they went for a 15 minute ride in Oak Beach when SG got there and people are saying they went on a drug run and he said "Probably, he was always a coke head". Apparently he has always had a habit of hiring escorts and he even got VD from one. My friend said that he had a kid who is autistic and they think the VD might have caused the condition. All speculation but he just offered it up.

Also, my friend has family that lives in Oak Beach and apparently a doctor that lives in Oak Beach went to Europe and hasn't been heard from for 3 months and there are rumors that this doctor is involved. I asked if it was the doctor that called SG's mom 3 days after her disappearance and he said Yes, he thinks so.

But I don't think CPH has escaped to Europe so he might be mistaken about that and maybe it's another doctor. Maybe the Emergency Room doctor who sold his house last year.

I think the people in Oak Beach know something. I really wish they would open their mouths and hang this perp out!

 

[KPCrimeNY]

Again, thanks to you and our other locals for your input.

Is this 'Hampton' area the same as the one in the TV show 'Royal Pains'?

Scandi, yes it is.
The Hamptons are large and there is different areas.
It is where many of the Rich and Famous have summer homes and it is also quite the place to party during the summer.

 

[KPCrimeNY]

OK so I finally was able to talk to my friend who knows that guy in Oak Beach. It wouldn't surprise him if he was involved in the disappearance of SG. I mentioned that they went for a 15 minute ride in Oak Beach when SG got there and people are saying they went on a drug run and he said "Probably, he was always a coke head". Apparently he has always had a habit of hiring escorts and he even got VD from one. My friend said that he had a kid who is autistic and they think the VD might have caused the condition. All speculation but he just offered it up.

Also, my friend has family that lives in Oak Beach and apparently a doctor that lives in Oak Beach went to Europe and hasn't been heard from for 3 months and there are rumors that this doctor is involved. I asked if it was the doctor that called SG's mom 3 days after her disappearance and he said Yes, he thinks so.

But I don't think CPH has escaped to Europe so he might be mistaken about that and maybe it's another doctor. Maybe the Emergency Room doctor who sold his house last year.

I think the people in Oak Beach know something. I really wish they would open their mouths and hang this perp out!

Goathair, this was posted in the rumors thread today correct?
Is there something more to posting it here and bolding that part?
Just wondering

 

[scandi]

IMO, it's possible the body wasn't dismembered but disarticulated due to other circumstances....I still remember the Laci Peterson case, with her apparently having been weighted down by the neck, when only her headless torso washed ashore...

here's an informative link about human decomp in water

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/notes/water.pdf

Hi MrsPC, Thanks for the article and I agree with you about the possibility of disarticulation.

Shannan disappeared a year ago. If her body were put in the water at that time I would think it would now be only separated bones. The tide and critters would almost make that a given. The reason Laci was pretty much intact after what, about 4 mos, is she was weighted down. And when the last of the weights tied to her body came undone, she washed ashore within a relatively short period of time acc to Gene Ralston, the side sonar captain who photographed her in the return channel to the Richmond Harbor about 3 weeks before she was found.

For Shannan I would think either the killer kept her body for some time before putting it in the water ~ OR ~ the recent storms unearthed the body so it could wash up on shore and still be 'badly decomposed' and not 'skelatonized' IMO.

Also, I'm thinking the killer didn't know about the metal plate in her jaw.

 

[Sillybilly]

Sillybilly: After 9/11 many street vendors in Manhattan sold NYPD & NYFD tee shirts like that to honor their bravery. Those shirts are all over the place here in NY.
Thanks for the myspace pics, very interesting!

Thanks IB ... i had wondered about that. In Canada, you'd be pretty hard-pressed to get anything that remotely resembles police issue. Now i see that the NYPD t-shirt is a very common item.

And YW for the pics. I found them interesting also, and it is nice to see another aspect to the lives of some of these women. On another note, I couldn't help but notice in a couple of the pics where his hair is longer, how much Kim's hubby resembles the AC composite. Poor guy

 

[scandi]

Thanks IB ... i had wondered about that. In Canada, you'd be pretty hard-pressed to get anything that remotely resembles police issue. Now i see that the NYPD t-shirt is a very common item.

And YW for the pics. I found them interesting also, and it is nice to see another aspect to the lives of some of these women. On another note, I couldn't help but notice in a couple of the pics where his hair is longer, how much Kim's hubby resembles the AC composite. Poor guy

Hi SillyBilly, One of my 'fav' shows is from BC Canada, Da Vinci's Inquest. Ya Ya

 

[Mountain_Kat]

As soon as I read the article earlier my first thought was Shannon. Of course that is obviously because of the way I have been following the case. I kinda never expected Shannon to be found close to the other 4. I still struggle with Shannon and the other 4 being connected at times though too. Hard to get a grasp on many things about this case.

Question I am wondering is this, If it is her does that change things ans definitley seperate her from the other 4 having the body wash up?

BBM

That's a damned good question, KP. For me, it wouldn't absolutely rule her out as a victim of the same killer as the G4, but it would certainly make me more inclined to think she might NOT be a victim of the same killer.

I've adamantly held the view that our SK does not dismember. Nothing we have learned has ever swayed me from that view, so if we were to learn that SG had, in fact, been dismembered, I would be left with two possibilities: 1). everything I THINK I know about our SK is wrong, or 2). SG must not have been killed by the same man. I don't know how I would resolve this in my mind if it turns out that the decapitated body turns out to be SG. But I don't think I'll be required to resolve it...because I don't believe this body IS Shannan Gilbert.

JMO

 

[cleo612]

How far away is the site of this latest set of remains from Nantucket?

 

[KPCrimeNY]

BBM

That's a damned good question, KP. For me, it wouldn't absolutely rule her out as a victim of the same killer as the G4, but it would certainly make me more inclined to think she might NOT be a victim of the same killer.

I've adamantly held the view that our SK does not dismember. Nothing we have learned has ever swayed me from that view, so if we were to learn that SG had, in fact, been dismembered, I would be left with two possibilities: 1). everything I THINK I know about our SK is wrong, or 2). SG must not have been killed by the same man. I don't know how I would resolve this in my mind if it turns out that the decapitated body turns out to be SG. But I don't think I'll be required to resolve it...because I don't believe this body IS Shannan Gilbert.

JMO

I said earlier I have trouble going back and forth between one or more killers. Only thing I am sure is that the G4 are all from the same SK. I am with you believing that this won't turn out being SG. But, around here I hear body and think SK automatically. I don't know, maybe I never noticed before. But the last 6 months the bodies seem to be piling up around here at quite the pace.

 

[KPCrimeNY]

How far away is the site of this latest set of remains from Nantucket?

From what I can tell roughly 100 miles.

 

[KPCrimeNY]

Few more things I have been thinking and asking myself. Sorry to be throwing up all over. Coming out of lurker mode has me with lots to spew. :crazy:

Is it really possible that this much time has passed and the Nassau discoveries from 4/11 have not been Identified? As well as Asian man and Toddler?

I am also of the theory/opinion that things have gotten this quiet for a reason. Anybody else think or feel the same?

Looking at maps closer and realizing a few things: (Using Shadowraiths)
1. All were dumped on the side of the PKWY that head west? (which also leads me to question the "road work" i mentioned last night)
2. All the remains cover pretty much that whole PKWY from Robert Moses Causeway (Eastern End) to the Wantagh State PKWY (Western End). The span from Wantagh State PKWY to Meadowbrook PKWY where nothing has been found actually makes sense when knowing the area. Much more popular and populated all year round. But, it is still pretty deserted at the right times of night. I can understand though someone not being comfortable there at night doing these deeds.
3. All the remains from what I can see if the map is accurate are walking distance to a boat in the Bays or just close to water. Granted this may mean nothing and still could be easier done from the road. It just sticks out to me. This island ranges in with from less then 1000 ft to around 4000-5000 ft in areas. Water is always close though.
a. 1st spot most west in Nassau less than 1000 ft from waters of Zachs Bay
b. 2nd spot from west in Nassau less than 1000 ft from Gugenheim Pond. This one is furthest from large body as in bay or Ocean but, still close to water and the pond has waterways to it.
c. G4 and Asian male all surrounded with water about 1000 ft or less away.
d. JT remains a few hundres feet from water, same body of water that asian male was only hundreds of feet from
e. Unidentified and Toddler less then 1000 ft from inlet of water in the bay.

Like I said may be nothing to this at all but, strikes me as odd that water is so close to all the victims/remians. Also so close to that channel that runs parallel with the PKWY for pretty much the whole length of the PKWY. There is clearly spots on that Island where they could have been dumped alot more desolate then these surrounded by road and water.

Which leads me to my final thought...
That big field behind PH's house was that ever thoroughly searched?

 

[Seaslug44]

Seaslug: Why would a fisherman have to go out to the Point to toss a body over? Why not go a little further out to the Continental Shelf to insure that body doesn't come in? How far out is the Gulf Stream?
There are so many places one could toss a body overboard out in the East End....the list is endless. If our SK is a fisherman, and Gardiners is empty, which I believe it is, why not dump her there?

The continental shelf is 70+ miles offshore and this time of the year the gulf stream is over 100 miles away. Very little (if any) recreational boats were fishing that far offshore during April or May.

However, the area around Block Island has had an awesome run of codfish this winter & spring. If someone wants to blend in, they could easily do so by dumping the body during a fishing trip in the twighlight hours on the way to the fishing grounds. Codfish are large. They require large coolers of ice. This dumping was a matter of convenience. The person/people dumping the body were probably going out on their boat fishing anyway (as they probably did many other times this season).

Gardiners Island is way more risky. The coastline is rocky. There are caretakers on the island who are always on the lookout for tresspassers searching Captain Kidd's burried treasure (long story... Google it). Everyone knows that Gardiners is an off-limits, private island so any boat that approaches its shores would be considered suspicous. However, a boat with a giant cooler heading towards Block Island at 4am to do some codfishing would not raise a single eyebrow.

By the way, there are some really, really large coolers on the marketplace;
http://austin.olx.com/giant-monster-cooler-for-tailgating-hunting-fishing-iid-106020320

 

[cleo612]

From what I can tell roughly 100 miles.

Thank you very much.

I was deeply involved in following the Casey Anthony jury selection last week when this was reported. I apparently missed the entire article about these latest remains being found, so please forgive me if my questions seem redundant.

Do we know if these remains are of a male or female? Was the person clothed or unclothed? Were the remains intact (not missing any limbs, etc.)?

Would it be possible for a human body to travel from the Nantucket area to the place where these remains washed ashore?

I am relatively familiar with how bodies decompose on land and even in freshwater, but have no clue what effects saltwater would have on the decomposition of a human body.

Would it be possible for a human body clothed in heavy (Carhartt type) clothing and boots to still be relatively intact after a year and 3 months submerged in saltwater?

I am trying to figure out if it is possible that these remains might be those of Jon Hemingway who went missing from the Nantucket area in March of 2010. His wife claims that he might have gone overboard while on a trip back to the mainland in the middle of the night. Her excuse was that she was below deck in the cabin with their two toddler daughters sleeping and she believes that Jon went overboard while "taking a leak" over the side of the boat. The boat mysteriously made it's way back to shore, with no one piloting it, after running for hours in circles in the ocean. None of what she says makes any sense at all; in fact, her story is riddled with confusing bits of information, not to mention her very odd behavior after the fact. You can read more about Jon's case here: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131454"]MA MA - Jon Hemingway, 36, Nantucket, 17 March 2010 - #5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


I appreciate any insight into the news and information that has been released thus far on these latest set of remains. Thank you very kindly in advance.

 

[KPCrimeNY]

Thank you very much.

I was deeply involved in following the Casey Anthony jury selection last week when this was reported. I apparently missed the entire article about these latest remains being found, so please forgive me if my questions seem redundant.

This story came out yesterday around noon. The article answers many of your questions and is all the news I have seen on it. As for possibilities maybe Seaslug could help you better.

Do we know if these remains are of a male or female? Was the person clothed or unclothed? Were the remains intact (not missing any limbs, etc.)?

Would it be possible for a human body to travel from the Nantucket area to the place where these remains washed ashore?

I am relatively familiar with how bodies decompose on land and even in freshwater, but have no clue what effects saltwater would have on the decomposition of a human body.

Would it be possible for a human body clothed in heavy (Carhartt type) clothing and boots to still be relatively intact after a year and 3 months submerged in saltwater?

I am trying to figure out if it is possible that these remains might be those of Jon Hemingway who went missing from the Nantucket area in March of 2010. His wife claims that he might have gone overboard while on a trip back to the mainland in the middle of the night. Her excuse was that she was below deck in the cabin with their two toddler daughters sleeping and she believes that Jon went overboard while "taking a leak" over the side of the boat. The boat mysteriously made it's way back to shore, with no one piloting it, after running for hours in circles in the ocean. None of what she says makes any sense at all; in fact, her story is riddled with confusing bits of information, not to mention her very odd behavior after the fact. You can read more about Jon's case here: MA MA - Jon Hemingway, 36, Nantucket, 17 March 2010 - #5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

I appreciate any insight into the news and information that has been released thus far on these latest set of remains. Thank you very kindly in advance.

Bloded my response.