NY-Long Island-Four bodies found on Beach-Possible Serial Killer-Dec 2010 #1

[chemcopout]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/15/new.york.bodies.investigation/index.html?hpt=Sbin

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Coletti said he called 911 after opening his front door to the woman, prompting her to flee into the weeds along an embankment near his house.

Moments later, Coletti said, an Asian man driving a dark-colored sport utility vehicle pulled up alongside his home, looking for the woman.

"Things got out of hand at a party and I'm just looking for her," Colletti quoted the man as saying.

When Colletti informed him that he had called the police, the man said that he "should not have done that" and drove off in the direction of where girl had fled, Colletti said.
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Where did THAT come from? There's nothing in his very detailed media interview where he states this?!?!?!:waitasec:

This is very interesting. who is the asian man in the dark colored suv? would he be her driver hired by her pimp, or another guest from the party?

Either way, telling GC that he shouldn't have called the police.. well seems threatening in a way. GC could be in potential danger i would think if the wrong people suspected he would remember something from that night.

GC is not the only witness to have seen Shannon that night, there was also other neighbors who describe her as being on drugs. 20 year old Justin Canning was another neighbor present who elaborates,

"She was in a panic. We thought she was on drugs."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/serial_slay_house_raid_icUSVNRrW8naxbU8gaK5AJ#ixzz18ctnwqxf

When Justin refers to "we" does he mean GC and himself? Or was there other witnesses who saw Shannon?


If Shannon is a victim of this guy, i doubt he'd would have dumped her with the other 4, as Shannon brought too much commotion and "negative" attention to him. She'd automatically be associated as coming from his "party". It's likely if he did kill her, she was disposed of elsewhere.

 

[MrsG728]

Perhaps, but I didn't make that assumption, which is why I asked for clarification.

Hi Cazzie
Sorry yeah I was referring to that article, but it still doesn't convince me that this wasn't a homicide :snooty: I don't care if LE is trying to un-scare us Strong Islanders- gotta call it like I see it. RedRum!

 

[MrsG728]

Ok everyone. I have up-close pics of the brush I was able to take quickly. I will post in a moment when I figure out how.

 

[MrsG728]

Thanks to my friend Sandi who allowed me to visit at her house in Gilgo today, The area is roped off/police cordoned off, but I was able to take sample pics of identical brush from 1/4mi west.

As you can see from the pics, it's hard to drag someone through, and the tight bundles of reeds and grass make it very difficult to see anything in there. The only way you could see in there is if you were above the brush- but not at street level. These pics were taken about 1-2 feet above the street level. Such thickly packed brush leads me to believe they were thrown from a higher vehicle.
if you need a pword to view them in Pb it is "websleuths"

 

[tlcya]

Are those brush type plants a certain variety? Does it go through a green and full phase? If so, what time of year. I think that may help determine when the bodies were dumped or how visible or not visible there being tossed into that brush from the side of the road or somewhere not far back into the brush.

That would really help me know from where they were thrown.

 

[Shutterfly]

http://www.newsday.com/news/search-for-missing-woman-leads-to-4-bodies-1.2543025

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"But a need for cash, said her younger sister Sarra, 21, lured her back into prostitution. She worked for at least two escort services before deciding this year to become independent, advertising her services on Craigslist and hiring her own driver, friends and family said. Her family knew about her job but, Sarra said, "we knew it was more or less for survival."
(( I don't think the driver was her pimp. There's also a name in this article I hadn't seen until now.))

http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-shannan-gilbert-long-island-dead,0,3803806.story

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Meanwhile, Gilbert's disappearance after a bizarre early morning encounter in Oak Beach remains a mystery.

Brewer told Newsday earlier this week that Gilbert had spent an hour at his home in the early morning hours of May 1. A neighbor said the woman appeared at his door at around 4:45 a.m., apparently after having left Brewer's home.


http://www.longislandpress.com/2010/12/16/cops-nj-woman-not-among-ocean-parkway-bodies/

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The man who drove Gilbert to Oak Beach on the day she disappeared told the Jersey City Journal she was “delirious” and “irrational” when she called 911 from the client’s house. He said Gilbert’s client phoned him three hours later and said Gilbert was refusing to leave. The man said he found Gilbert on the phone telling a 911 operator that a man was after her.

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So which is it? She was there for an hour or she was there for three hours?

 

[MrsG728]

The same FBI Profilers who worked on the Joel Rifkin case are working on this one.
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/fbi-profilers-said-to-join-gilgo-beach-probe-1.2554290


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" The FBI needs "more information to effectively begin their work," added the spokesman. "And we're waiting to complete the forensic work." An FBI profiler has already advised Suffolk investigators on what kind of information and evidence to pursue while they await victims' identification, a law enforcement source said. "

 

[minazoe]

a strong tall man could easily lift a female body and toss it into the brush.

 

[kemo]

What happened that morning in Oak Beach remains quite a mystery that may, or not, be a key to figuring out what happened to LI four.

The boyfriend/pimp/driver (The distinction could be quite significant.) is certainly a key witness to what happened. It was he, rather than Brewer who was chasing after her (I think this is true; it isn't entirly clear). Since he was based in Jersy City however, he would probably have nothing to do with the other four bodies.

The time discrepency is significant but not necessarily incriminating. The boyfriend/pimp/driver said 3 hour while Brewer says 1. We know SG banged on GC's door at 4:45 AM. Does this mean the party started at 3:45 AM? I would tend to find a 1:45AM starting time more credible. Regardless of his involvement in the "situation", I can't see why the boyfriend/pimp/driver would lie about this fact. Brewer, on the other hand, would certainly want to minimize his "contact" with SG. The 3 hour "estimate is probably accurate. Did SG just "imagine" she was in danger or was it real. It's very possible that a combination of drugs and underlying mental illness provoked a delusional panic. Had her fear been rational, wouldn't she have run to the pimp or stayed with GC when he called 911? Still, a call girl calls the police in fear of her life 3 miles from a remote location where the bodies of 4 women are found. Some Coincidence. Then, a "crazy lady" wondering around a small Island in the dark disappears near the same remote dump site. Also Some Coincidence.

Something I find a little unusual is that SG came all the way from Jersey City. Weren't there any Long Island Craigs List workers available?. I am wondering if SG advertized in the Long Island Listings or if Brewer specifically sought out an "out of state" girl.

We will know more when the 4 victims are identified. If they are "local", it shouldn't take long. If they are out of state, it will take longer. It is worth noting that all of the West Mesa and all of the NJ woment were identified. This information should be forthcoming soon and then things will start happening.

 

[burbqueen]

Ok i'm sorry but am I the only one that thinks there is one serial killer for LI, Atlantic City and for the killings in New mexico??

 

[tfrohning]

Ok i'm sorry but am I the only one that thinks there is one serial killer for LI, Atlantic City and for the killings in New mexico??

nope:waitasec: not sure about New Mexico? what going on there:waitasec:

 

[Pinkhammer]

What happened that morning in Oak Beach remains quite a mystery that may, or not, be a key to figuring out what happened to LI four.

The boyfriend/pimp/driver (The distinction could be quite significant.) is certainly a key witness to what happened. It was he, rather than Brewer who was chasing after her (I think this is true; it isn't entirly clear). Since he was based in Jersy City however, he would probably have nothing to do with the other four bodies.

The time discrepency is significant but not necessarily incriminating. The boyfriend/pimp/driver said 3 hour while Brewer says 1. We know SG banged on GC's door at 4:45 AM. Does this mean the party started at 3:45 AM? I would tend to find a 1:45AM starting time more credible. Regardless of his involvement in the "situation", I can't see why the boyfriend/pimp/driver would lie about this fact. Brewer, on the other hand, would certainly want to minimize his "contact" with SG. The 3 hour "estimate is probably accurate. Did SG just "imagine" she was in danger or was it real. It's very possible that a combination of drugs and underlying mental illness provoked a delusional panic. Had her fear been rational, wouldn't she have run to the pimp or stayed with GC when he called 911? Still, a call girl calls the police in fear of her life 3 miles from a remote location where the bodies of 4 women are found. Some Coincidence. Then, a "crazy lady" wondering around a small Island in the dark disappears near the same remote dump site. Also Some Coincidence.

Something I find a little unusual is that SG came all the way from Jersey City. Weren't there any Long Island Craigs List workers available?. I am wondering if SG advertized in the Long Island Listings or if Brewer specifically sought out an "out of state" girl.

We will know more when the 4 victims are identified. If they are "local", it shouldn't take long. If they are out of state, it will take longer. It is worth noting that all of the West Mesa and all of the NJ woment were identified. This information should be forthcoming soon and then things will start happening.

Brewer probably looked at photos from Craig's List before making a selection. He probably avoided local call girls because he is fairly well-know in the Babylon/West Islip/Oak Beach area, and would not want his ex or his mom to know of his activities. (Believe me, these towns are full of gossips.)

Here's how I think it went down: The pimp delivered her for a party--a party 'of two"--her and Brewer. At the "party", Gilbert probably used more than $250 in cocaine and therefore Brewer would not pay her any cash. She used up the cash in trade, so to speak.

The one who "was trying to kill her" would have been the Asian pimp when she returned to him empty-handed, having used up her cash in coke.

Gilbert is probably alive now, probably called one of her other (many) pimps to retrieve her from the Island, and is probably appearing at Christmas "parties" all over the Metropolitan NYC area! Remember, she's been hooking for over ten years.

About the four bodies in burlap: they are not related to Joseph Brewer or Shannon Gilbert. It is just one of those strange coincidences that happens now and then in the true crime world.

As always, just my humble opinion.

 

[tlcya]

as to the driver. The distinction is a big deal.

My sister had a neighbor a couple of years back who advertised on Craig's List. She told my sister she was a "private dancer". pffft. Anyway, that was obviously an understatement, the woman was a prostitute, plain and simple. "dancing" was the code used by the escort service she worked with. This woman would pay my sister to watch her son, poor little fella, while she went to various local homes and hotels to meet "clientelle". Eventually she began paying my sister to drive her to appointments and wait outside. They had all these codes worked out that were suppposed to alert my sister if something was going bad inside. If the curtains move like this or that for instance.

My family was really upset that my sister was participating in this endeavor, even as just a driver. We asked her "what if the curtain moves that way? Are you supposed to go charging in there and take on Mr. Horny??!"

Eventually my sister unfriended this woman as she turned out to be on serious drugs and untrustworthy in general - go figure. We were all very relieved when she quit driving this woman around. We genuinely worried my sister might get caught up in the middle of something and get hurt or arrested or something.

 

[Reannan]

TL, as usual, you raise some great points! As "experienced" as SG was, she probably also would have not wanted her driver to just drop her off in an area that seemed isolated without having some backup plan. I hope Pinkhammer is correct and SG bailed on her driver. Running to the neighbor's house was staged for the purpose of creating a cover story for her disappearance before she ran out the door to another waiting driver she had called - the Asian guy. It certainly is ironic, however, that her disappearance led to the discovery of those other 4 unfortunate souls. Hopefully, once we know more about the 4 dead women, we will have a better idea as to what, if any, connection their is with SG. :twocents:

 

[colette]

nope:waitasec: not sure about New Mexico? what going on there:waitasec:

In February 2009 a mass grave was discovered in Albuquerque New Mexico, 11 bodies and a fetus were found.

 

[allaster]

"... some of the bodies were wrapped in burlap."

so this might be a clue - only b/c burlap doesn't seem like a common household item sold everywhere - mostly used in agriculture I think?

or was it discarded in that area & the perp just used what was available?

this is so creepy ...

I was skimming over this and for some reason this post popped out at me. I remember when we had my daughter at the fair this summer and she went on the BIG SLIDE she had to use a burlap sack to sit on to go down the slide, these sacks are HUGE! I remember thinking to myself how funny she looked carrying that big sack it seemed so big compared to my daughter. Point is, they should take a look at carnival workers it seems strange, but really worth looking into. During the course of trying to find Kellisue Ackerenecht it was rumored Kellisue had her eyes on a carnival worker she was keeping in touch with. I never was able to find out his name or even if it was indeed a fact. Seems like a good place to start.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Case archive album for "Ocean Parkway Murders"

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Ocean Parkway Murders -NY-/

 

[minazoe]

Brewer probably looked at photos from Craig's List before making a selection. He probably avoided local call girls because he is fairly well-know in the Babylon/West Islip/Oak Beach area, and would not want his ex or his mom to know of his activities. (Believe me, these towns are full of gossips.)

Here's how I think it went down: The pimp delivered her for a party--a party 'of two"--her and Brewer. At the "party", Gilbert probably used more than $250 in cocaine and therefore Brewer would not pay her any cash. She used up the cash in trade, so to speak.

The one who "was trying to kill her" would have been the Asian pimp when she returned to him empty-handed, having used up her cash in coke.

Gilbert is probably alive now, probably called one of her other (many) pimps to retrieve her from the Island, and is probably appearing at Christmas "parties" all over the Metropolitan NYC area! Remember, she's been hooking for over ten years.

About the four bodies in burlap: they are not related to Joseph Brewer or Shannon Gilbert. It is just one of those strange coincidences that happens now and then in the true crime world.

As always, just my humble opinion.

I am following you up until she turns up in New York.... wonder if she couldn't pay the driver...I think if Shannon was in NY she would be located already.

 

[chemcopout]

Ok i'm sorry but am I the only one that thinks there is one serial killer for LI, Atlantic City and for the killings in New mexico??

There are so many different serial killers working in the US at one time, and being the huge differences between the cases, imo it would be a stretch to connect them to the same person.
Most likely these murders are being done by different people.
The AC 4 are laid out almost in ritual, while the ones in LI seem to just be more
"dumped". NM has a POI in theirs, Erwin.

While a serial killer who constantly switched his MO would be very smart, it's doubtful it's the case here.

 

[chemcopout]

What happened that morning in Oak Beach remains quite a mystery that may, or not, be a key to figuring out what happened to LI four.

The boyfriend/pimp/driver (The distinction could be quite significant.) is certainly a key witness to what happened. It was he, rather than Brewer who was chasing after her (I think this is true; it isn't entirly clear). Since he was based in Jersy City however, he would probably have nothing to do with the other four bodies.

The time discrepency is significant but not necessarily incriminating. The boyfriend/pimp/driver said 3 hour while Brewer says 1. We know SG banged on GC's door at 4:45 AM. Does this mean the party started at 3:45 AM? I would tend to find a 1:45AM starting time more credible. Regardless of his involvement in the "situation", I can't see why the boyfriend/pimp/driver would lie about this fact. Brewer, on the other hand, would certainly want to minimize his "contact" with SG. The 3 hour "estimate is probably accurate. Did SG just "imagine" she was in danger or was it real. It's very possible that a combination of drugs and underlying mental illness provoked a delusional panic. Had her fear been rational, wouldn't she have run to the pimp or stayed with GC when he called 911? Still, a call girl calls the police in fear of her life 3 miles from a remote location where the bodies of 4 women are found. Some Coincidence. Then, a "crazy lady" wondering around a small Island in the dark disappears near the same remote dump site. Also Some Coincidence.

Something I find a little unusual is that SG came all the way from Jersey City. Weren't there any Long Island Craigs List workers available?. I am wondering if SG advertized in the Long Island Listings or if Brewer specifically sought out an "out of state" girl.

We will know more when the 4 victims are identified. If they are "local", it shouldn't take long. If they are out of state, it will take longer. It is worth noting that all of the West Mesa and all of the NJ woment were identified. This information should be forthcoming soon and then things will start happening.

Maybe he has a specific "type" he goes for and SG fit his description, so he ordered her. I'd think it would cost a lot being the traveling distance, her driver, her cost (she advertized on Craigslist and not a street corner) so he just paid to bring her in.