Identified! NY - Manhattan, 'Midtown Jane Doe', WhtFem 16-21, 337UFNY, under concrete, ring w/ 'P McG', Feb'03 Patricia McGlone

[Detailz]

Thanks.

I wonder if the two nightclubs had anything in common--ownership, clientele,..?

Ok. Here's what I've found out. The club is now under a different name. I'm starting to actually believe these were high-priced call girls. BOTH victims. The clubs weren't owned by the same people, but pretty much had the same kind of clientele. They ran in the same circles. High drug traffic back in the day. The posh, A-list musicians and celebrities. I think in-between ownerships of these clubs, someone could've utilized them to either lure victims there, to assault and murder them. Seems like someone is going a mix of Ted Bundy and Bob the Builder here. Concrete used in both deaths to cover a homicide. Is this the work of a "cleaner" or a serial killer? This "concrete killer" is kind of making the rounds it seems.
Any other bodies that you've found reported under concrete??

 

[carbuff]

Ok. Here's what I've found out. The club is now under a different name. I'm starting to actually believe these were high-priced call girls. BOTH victims. The clubs weren't owned by the same people, but pretty much had the same kind of clientele. They ran in the same circles. High drug traffic back in the day. The posh, A-list musicians and celebrities. I think in-between ownerships of these clubs, someone could've utilized them to either lure victims there, to assault and murder them. Seems like someone is going a mix of Ted Bundy and Bob the Builder here. Concrete used in both deaths to cover a homicide. Is this the work of a "cleaner" or a serial killer? This "concrete killer" is kind of making the rounds it seems.
Any other bodies that you've found reported under concrete??

There are some, yes, but I don't remember where they're listed. Possibly earlier in this thread. Possibly in missing Judy O'Donnell's thread since it was thought she might be this girl.

Somebody pointed out that often when you have a restaurant/club/whatever in a basement, the public area is nice and the kitchen decent, but then the rest of the basement is often a jumbled dirty storage area where nobody ever goes unless there's a problem with the furnace, so it would be pretty easy to hide a body back there.

High-priced call girls, maybe, or maybe groupies and wannabes?

 

[Detailz]

There are some, yes, but I don't remember where they're listed. Possibly earlier in this thread. Possibly in missing Judy O'Donnell's thread since it was thought she might be this girl.

Somebody pointed out that often when you have a restaurant/club/whatever in a basement, the public area is nice and the kitchen decent, but then the rest of the basement is often a jumbled dirty storage area where nobody ever goes unless there's a problem with the furnace, so it would be pretty easy to hide a body back there.

High-priced call girls, maybe, or maybe groupies and wannabes?

A male cook or waiter would know the layout of the basement. From going to get supplies, tables, etc. The storage area. Maybe a maintenance man? He could've been contracted through the owners via word of mouth. He knows electrical cord via the extension cord around one and concrete skills. I'm thinking maintenance man.
Wonder if the victims were waitresses, or escorts. Or groupies he promised to let in. Sneaking them into the basement so they could get into the club later, but he assaults and murders them maybe?

 

[Oakie]

I understand your thinking. But when you look at the scene where she was found after they sledgehammered that wall you'll see bones EVERYWHERE. Watch this video, the bones WEREN'T found neatly it was a cluster. You couldn't discriminate between bones and cement.
Here's the America's Most Wanted Episode that featured this unidentified female. Pause it and look at the rubble. It was a MESS. Not neatly tucked. Take a watch and pause it on the photos.

The knot shown on the rope in that video is a bowline secured with a half-hitch. Whoever tied that knew about knots....suggesting that he was either a sailor, a saltwater fisherman, or a boy scout. That should narrow down the field of suspects a bit.

 

[Oakie]

Another thing is the location the body was found is off 46th ST and 8th Avenue in Manhattan judging from the NAMUS location provided.
8th Avenue is a known prostitution area in Manhattan until the 2000s. It's cleaned up now. But the idea she is a prostitute just because she's found there behind a wall of concrete is ludicrous. If a killer can torture, assault, dehumanizing and murder a victim and if she TRULY was a prostitute why not just leave the body in the open?
That's because she wasn't a prostitute. Prostitutes usually don't wear fancy watches or pantyhose because of occupational hazards of robbery by pimps and clients. Pantyhose would've not been worn. This female wasn't a prostitute in my opinion. That's an assumption. I believe they misprofiled the victim and the killer KNEW they would. Hence, she's unidentified. If a killer kills a prostitute would he drag her back to wear she was originally? NO.
he would just dump the body wherever. Someone worked hard to make the police believe she was just another prostitute.
I believe she's an innocent victim a regular girl.

Or maybe a pimp killed her because she refused to become a prostitute, like that Princess Doe they found in New Jersey.

 

[carbuff]

I was thinking more along the lines of a more powerful club client causing a death and expecting the staff to clean up the mess.

 

[Detailz]

The thing that gets me about this, about the Manhattan Jane Doe is this:
is the WHY.
WHY go through all of that work??
WHY not just if she's a prostitute throw the body in the East River?
WHY under concrete?
WHY?
I think some answers to those "WHYs" would be the following:
She WASN'T a hooker.
She wasn't your average person.
She was someone that had FAME or POWER or was related to someone with FAME and POWER.
Could've been someone's EX-WIFE.
Someone with power that wanted the problem gone.
Or an affair that would've destroyed a career or reputation. Bondage that killed a girl in page 6 in the New York Times?? In your apartment?? You're going to go to jail.
Look what happened with Phil Spector.
Were there any female socialites missing around these times for both concrete victims?
Or any female models/ actresses/ musicians that disappeared?

 

[Springrain]

The thing that gets me about this, about the Manhattan Jane Doe is this:
is the WHY.
WHY go through all of that work??
WHY not just if she's a prostitute throw the body in the East River?
WHY under concrete?
WHY?
I think some answers to those "WHYs" would be the following:
She WASN'T a hooker.
She wasn't your average person.
She was someone that had FAME or POWER or was related to someone with FAME and POWER.
Could've been someone's EX-WIFE.
Someone with power that wanted the problem gone.
Or an affair that would've destroyed a career or reputation. Bondage that killed a girl in page 6 in the New York Times?? In your apartment?? You're going to go to jail.
Look what happened with Phil Spector.
Were there any female socialites missing around these times for both concrete victims?
Or any female models/ actresses/ musicians that disappeared?

Interesting ideas to consider IMO. I don't think she was someone with fame or power, but a connection to one seems possible. Thinking about it, I agree with your reasoning that if was a random murder of a vulnerable prostitute, it would be far easier to throw her into the river, in a dump, wherever, besides burying her under concrete. IMO, she had to have had some other connection to the killer that would make it obvious who did it.

I am not convinced she couldn't have been a prostitute or stripper, but if she was, she was probably one well-known to her killer. I'm thinking an affair is possible. Ex-wife or wife is also possible.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

@Caring1 hey could you post the current NamUs exclusion list for this Jane Doe?

 

[Caring1]

@Caring1 hey could you post the current NamUs exclusion list for this Jane Doe?

31 Missing Person Exclusions

 

[Hochman]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

New sculpt

 

[DaisyChains]

Or maybe a pimp killed her because she refused to become a prostitute, like that Princess Doe they found in New Jersey.

There’s also the chance the killer viewed her as a momento he wanted to go back and visit from time to time. He could have wanted a specific concealed “burial place” to visit her.

Why he would feel such a connection to her I’m unsure. But there were many attacks/murders of prostitutes during this time it was a near epidemic.

I think the answer is in whoever owned/managed that building the time the body was placed there. I don’t think this was just a maintenance man. This was someone who felt safe leaving the body there and had some connection to the building that is tangible and controlled.

 

[madamx]

The place where the Unidentified was found in the basement.
Steve Paul's (underground club called the "THE SCENE" was located there in the basement where this body was found years later under concrete)
More information on the address of
301 W. 46th St
Manhattan, NY
Citing:

301 West 46th

Readers have been sending in the news that 301 West 46th Street, after years of lingering in limbo, is about to fall. today the scaffoldi...

vanishingnewyork.blogspot.com

Citing:

The Scene (performance venue) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Citing:

Steve Paul's The Scene

Located at 301 West 46th Street in New York City, The Scene, which opened its doors sometime in 1965, was indeed the most renowned rock club...

www.msmokemusic.com

Video from the actual building of where the female unidentified was found at about the same year she might have died. This was more than a basement, it was an underground club. So you can get the feel of what was going on in the actual building around the time we're looking into

"Steve Paul's The Scene is a popular midtown nightclub at 46th St. and 8th Ave. It sports a labyrinth floor plan which extends through a bizarre network of brick walled cellar rooms and passageways. While the club caters primarily to the jet-set, it also attracts a growing number of the hippie community. Steve Paul once described the purpose of his club in this way: 'To use music as a common denominator for the fusion between music, musicians, people who like music, and and people who are music in their very being."
(From article by Greg Shaw, Hullabaloo magazine 1967)

Oh Detailz.. great find on the video!…Wouldn’t it be wild if midtown Jane Doe was actual one of these girls filmed in the video.

 

[Lex141]

First off, I would like to say wonderful work on this thread w exclusion list, links etc. It’s been awhile since I’ve re visited this page/case and it’s nice to see some activity. This case has always haunted me. I am wondering if anyone has tossed around the idea of midtown Jane doe being Diane Sue Gilchrist? I didn’t see her on exclusion list but if she’s been brought up before, I apologize I didn’t see. *I apologize if I’m not attaching Namus link correctly!

Diane Sue Gilchrist

 

[Lex141]

There was a cold case solved this week in CT, a girl who was born in Idaho, lived in NY/PA possibly Vermont. Somehow she ended up in CT. Diane is thought to be a victim of serial killer Warren Forrest. Sometimes a victim ends up far from home, and the west coast in general was a hot bed serial killers hunting grounds in the 1970s. Many women went missing and were asssumed to be victims. I can’t help but wonder if this is just one of those cases that gets overlooked in some way. She was prime age to be trafficked to New York which in the 1970s was rampant w child prostitution. Breaks my heart.

 

[madamx]

First off, I would like to say wonderful work on this thread w exclusion list, links etc. It’s been awhile since I’ve re visited this page/case and it’s nice to see some activity. This case has always haunted me. I am wondering if anyone has tossed around the idea of midtown Jane doe being Diane Sue Gilchrist? I didn’t see her on exclusion list but if she’s been brought up before, I apologize I didn’t see. *I apologize if I’m not attaching Namus link correctly!

Diane Sue Gilchrist

First off, I would like to say wonderful work on this thread w exclusion list, links etc. It’s been awhile since I’ve re visited this page/case and it’s nice to see some activity. This case has always haunted me. I am wondering if anyone has tossed around the idea of midtown Jane doe being Diane Sue Gilchrist? I didn’t see her on exclusion list but if she’s been brought up before, I apologize I didn’t see. *I apologize if I’m not attaching Namus link correctly!

Diane Sue Gilchrist

Good eye Lex141. I was looking at her teeth and they look quite similar !

 

[Lex141]

This gave me chills seeing these pics side by side

 

[EmiliaRT007]

P McG, huh? Maybe her first name started with a P and had the last name McGee. Maybe it was short for McGrath or McGraw? Something like that. I wonder if any MPs fit those criteria.

 

[Lex141]

Isotrophic signature on teeth show she is most likely from the Midwest however that was done over 6 years ago and there must be more accurate technology. Also if she’d been held or trafficked somewhere that could explain it. In An article about Diane , an old friend mention she came from a troubled home. She could have lived anywhere prior to Washington State.

 

[Lex141]

I have a signet ring that was my mothers and it is “JWR” first name J Middle Initial R Last name W. Some monograms reverse the 2nd two letters