NY NY - NY, Pier 17, UnsSexRace25-35, UP6262, poss transgender, red lace bodysuit, chin implant, May'98

[madamx]

Does anyone know if this lady has any rule outs?

Iam reading and there is no hair color on the UID so I guess it was just a skull so she was in the water for a while. And it’s possible hispanic but they unsure.

I found this woman. She fits the height and weight. And supposedly jumped from the George Washington Bridge in Feb. if it was cold her body would not have floated up until May which would explain how decomposed she was. Unfortunately there is no photo and no mention about a chin implant.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)


Missing Person / NamUs #MP70656Katherine D Miningham, Female, White / Caucasian
Date of Last ContactFebruary 27, 1997
Missing FromHastings-On-Hudson, New York

Case Information



Demographics
Missing Age17 Years
Current Age41 Years
First NameKatherine
Middle NameD
Last NameMiningham
Nickname/Alias--

SexFemale
Height5' 6" - 5' 6" (66 - 66 Inches)
Weight135 - 135 lbs
Race / EthnicityWhite / Caucasian

Circumstances
Date of Last ContactFebruary 27, 1997
NamUs Case CreatedJune 12, 2020

Last Known Location Map
LocationHastings-On-Hudson, New York 10706
CountyWestchester County
Missing From Tribal LandUnknown
Primary Residence on Tribal Land--

Circumstances of DisappearanceBELIEVED TO HAVE JUMPED OFF GEORGE WASHINGTON BRIDGE

Physical Description
Hair ColorBlond/Strawberry
Head Hair Description--
Body Hair Description--
Facial Hair Description--
Left Eye ColorBrown
Right Eye ColorBrown
Eye Description--

 

[azure]

A chin implant is often added when rhinoplasty is done. Could explain the possible nasal fracture, or could have been done as part of reconstructive surgery.

 

[carbuff]

The trouble with Katherine Miningham is that it would be pretty unusual for someone who jumped from the GW Bridge to wind up in the East River. The body would have to move upstream in the Hudson for quite a distance, and then be washed into the East River instead of the Hudson. Since the Hudson is tidal, I suppose upstream movement would be possible, but it doesn't seem very likely.

She's also a bit younger than the UID estimates. Only 17.

Her Namus doesn't list any exclusions.

 

[madamx]

Does anyone know if this lady has any rule outs?

The trouble with Katherine Miningham is that it would be pretty unusual for someone who jumped from the GW Bridge to wind up in the East River. The body would have to move upstream in the Hudson for quite a distance, and then be washed into the East River instead of the Hudson. Since the Hudson is tidal, I suppose upstream movement would be possible, but it doesn't seem very likely.

She's also a bit younger than the UID estimates. Only 17.

Her Namus doesn't list any exclusions.

Yeah your right 17 might be too young.

I thought the water moved down the Hudson to the New York harbor and then to the Atlantic Ocean.
Which is why I thought well if she went down that way I can see her ending in by the sea port since it’s right at the end and she could of been pushed back up when the tide comes back.. I have no idea. I have only sat an watched the east river I don’t know much about the Hudson.. I don’t even have a boat ha!!

I have talked with my friends many times about doing the rubber ducky experiment in the East River and see where they would all end up.

 

[carbuff]

Yeah your right 17 might be too young.

I thought the water moved down the Hudson to the New York harbor and then to the Atlantic Ocean.
Which is why I thought well if she went down that way I can see her ending in by the sea port since it’s right at the end and she could of been pushed back up when the tide comes back.. I have no idea. I have only sat an watched the east river I don’t know much about the Hudson.. I don’t even have a boat ha!!

I have talked with my friends many times about doing the rubber ducky experiment in the East River and see where they would all end up.

Yes that is where the river runs, but Pier 17 is a bit up the East River. Googlemaps says it's not quite a mile. Maybe the tide does push up that far. It would be interesting to try the experiment and find out for sure. Like I said, I don't want to rule it out as a possibility. Wish we had a reconstruction of the deceased woman.

 

[madamx]

Yes that is where the river runs, but Pier 17 is a bit up the East River. Googlemaps says it's not quite a mile. Maybe the tide does push up that far. It would be interesting to try the experiment and find out for sure. Like I said, I don't want to rule it out as a possibility. Wish we had a reconstruction of the deceased woman.

omg I KNOW.. I would love to do the rubber ducky experiment and then we could sort of calculate better how far bodies can end up!! Oh I believe there is a clay reconstruction of the woman it’s in the beginning of this thread. It’s a clay head a couple of angles.

 

[carbuff]

omg I KNOW.. I would love to do the rubber ducky experiment and then we could sort of calculate better how far bodies can end up!! Oh I believe there is a clay reconstruction of the woman it’s in the beginning of this thread. It’s a clay head a couple of angles.

D'oh! I was just looking at it too, but remembering it as the wrong case. Thanks.

 

[snowgoose]

I didn't see this mentioned in the thread, but it looks like the NamUs page was changed earlier this year to indicate that this Doe may have been transgender. Her profile says "They were wearing a red lace body suit and "Bodega" brand women's jeans, which indicates the individual may have been living as female, however the sex assigned at birth is not known."

 

[madamx]

I didn't see this mentioned in the thread, but it looks like the NamUs page was changed earlier this year to indicate that this Doe may have been transgender. Her profile says "They were wearing a red lace body suit and "Bodega" brand women's jeans, which indicates the individual may have been living as female, however the sex assigned at birth is not known."

oh wow.. good eye snowgoose.. good eye!! This is good to know.. that now changes things.

I wonder what happened or what they found out that made them change it.

 

[Rootje]

That has been in style with the "urban jungle" hip hop crowd the last years or so.
But in 1998 it screams sex worker.

I'm a 17-year old girl, and I can confirm, body suits like that are especially popular with the "alt" crowd, myself included. "Alt" is basically a mix of punk, emo and goth, and some modern details thrown in. The 90's was the era of (alternative) rock and grunge, so perhaps she was part of an alternative subculture, but it's more likely that she was a sex worker, IMO. But I definitely wouldn't rule out the possibility of her being an "alt" girl. Weren't crop tops, mini skirts etc. also popular in the nineties?

 

[Rootje]

P.S. Corsets are more popular than bodysuits nowadays (speaking for the alt crowd). But bodysuits are still popular.

 

[Susikatze]

It would not change things too much, if we assume she was indeed a working girl it would fit into the picture. Sadly, while all sex workers are already a highly vulnerable crowd and considered "free game" to violent patrons, among them, TG sex workers tend to face disproportionally more violence.

oh wow.. good eye snowgoose.. good eye!! This is good to know.. that now changes things.

I wonder what happened or what they found out that made them change it.

 

[snowgoose]

It would not change things too much, if we assume she was indeed a working girl it would fit into the picture. Sadly, while all sex workers are already a highly vulnerable crowd and considered "free game" to violent patrons, among them, TG sex workers tend to face disproportionally more violence.

Indeed, although I suppose it changes things in terms of which missing persons to consider as matches. There's the possibility that she could be in NamUs as a missing young "man" if her family members did not accept or weren't aware of her identity.

 

[Susikatze]

She may also be an immigrant, many sex workers came to the US from the Carribean or Latin America. Especially Brazil is quite advanced on anything medical regarding transgender and has quite a large and successful transgender community. Many seek opportunity in the US, many as sex workers or escorts, others as models, influencers and likewise.

Disclaimer: it is of course all pure speculation, because we know nothing about her. We dont even know for sure she really was TG and we also dont know if she was a sex worker (or just stripped down to her underwear by water or the perpetrator) and we dont know if she was killed, died by accident or suicide. It is all very vague.

 

[Susikatze]

Graphic, dont read if youre squeamish:

I think the main issue with decomposed remains (Julie Doe is the most famous case) is that there is a lot of decay activity in the abdominal cavity (actually the bacteria from your guts start the autolysis process) and all the tiny pelvic organs rapidly get turned into mush. So it is often impossible to see in a suspected male to female TG if there is an uterus and ovaries present or if it is absent but there are adhesions and scars from any surgical transition procedure which would point towards TG.

I think again this is only solvable with a DNA profile. You have to have your name back, gorgeous!

 

[madamx]

Indeed, although I suppose it changes things in terms of which missing persons to consider as matches. There's the possibility that she could be in NamUs as a missing young "man" if her family members did not accept or weren't aware of her identity.

I agree, it changes on the person we are looking for. What if he used to be a guy before he went missing.. or his family knew him as a guy then would but a missing ad for a guy.

 

[Triss]

I agree, it changes on the person we are looking for. What if he used to be a guy before he went missing.. or his family knew him as a guy then would but a missing ad for a guy.

...or their family knew about them being transgender and didn't file a missing person report at all. Speculation.

 

[carbuff]

That also raises the possibility that the possible nasal fracture and chin adjustment were from feminizing plastic surgery.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

1108UFNY

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[John/Jane Doe]

1108UFNY

www.doenetwork.org