OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #72

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  • #121
Lots of good posts from yesterday. I'm looking forward to today, thoroughly enjoyed Friday with the forensics from CR Snr trailer. A lot of shots from outside in but I'd like to know how many were fired from Inside to Inside.

I'll miss the start of today's events, maybe most of it as today is the late Queen Elizabeth's Funeral and I won't miss that for the world. I've been awake since 5.10am, so just over 2 hours awake.

Take notes where you can folks, I'm sure there will be some great information released.
 
  • #122
Monday, Sept. 19th:
*Trial continues (Day 6) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 30) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table if his testimony is truthful.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury has been seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man).
Opening statements began on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).

Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-4 (9/12 to 9/15/22) post #757 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-38

9/16/22 Friday, Trial Day 5: State witness: Agent Shane Hanshaw, BCI.
For more info see posts #773, 774 & 777 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-39
For more info see posts #786, 796 & 799 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-40
For more info see posts #802, 806 & 813 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-41
For more info see posts #821, 823, 832, 834, 837, 838 & 840 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-42
For more info see posts #841, 843, 845, 846, 848, 850, 852, 856, 857, 859 & 860 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-43
For more info see posts #866 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-44
Photos of crime scene at Chris Rhoden’s:
For more info see posts #965, 969, 971 & 973 (video) here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-49
Trial continues on Monday, 9/19/22. Agent Shane Hanshaw will be back on stand.
 
  • #123
That business doesn't make sense as stated by JW in the proffer, as related by AC in opening, about GW4 not being able to shoot with the oil filter suppressor on the SKS. He said G4 couldn't see over the oil filter, but surely they practiced and would've known. How does one person have trouble aiming and the other doesn't?

edit: couldn't, not could
IIRC, it was a fuel filter that was used. If you look at the videos on You Tube, you’ll see it’s not very large. Depending on the type of gun, it doesn’t do much to silence noise.
 
  • #124
Sleuthers and to the Jury, Please Remember What all 4 Wagners Voted On Right Before They Where Arrested, They Swore To Each Other Wagner, If One Of Them Where To Remain Free Than That Wagner Was Supposed To Take Revenge Upon Mike DeWine, Charles Reader, and the BCI Agent, Afterwards Of That Task Then That Wagner Was Supposed To Brake the Other Wagners Out Of Jail. This was on the Bail hearing Video of George Wagner iv.
Johnny, this is something I hope we hear more about. In my POV, when it comes to operating as a group and the conspiracy, this is an important piece evidence if what we have heard about it is 100% accurate. I see it as current and future focused action planning which continues the criminal enterprise.

It could have still been operating in some capacity when Angela and Jake were sneaking around having side conversations from jail in 2019.

Date September 16, 2019 (for future reference if needed on a timeline)

A judge suspended Angela Wagner’s telephone and mail privileges in jail during a hearing Monday.

Prosecutors claimed that they have recordings of the suspect talking to her son, Edward “Jake” Wagner, and mother, Rita Jo Newcomb. Both are also charged in the case.
Angela Wagner is still able to call or mail her attorneys under the order.


 
  • #125
Johnny, this is something I hope we hear more about. In my POV, when it comes to operating as a group and the conspiracy, this is an important piece evidence if what we have heard about it is 100% accurate. I see it as current and future focused action planning which continues the criminal enterprise.

It could have still been operating in some capacity when Angela and Jake were sneaking around having side conversations from jail in 2019.

Date September 16, 2019 (for future reference if needed on a timeline)

A judge suspended Angela Wagner’s telephone and mail privileges in jail during a hearing Monday.

Prosecutors claimed that they have recordings of the suspect talking to her son, Edward “Jake” Wagner, and mother, Rita Jo Newcomb. Both are also charged in the case.
Angela Wagner is still able to call or mail her attorneys under the order.



As during the arraignment of one of Wagner’s grandmothers, Special Prosecutor Angie Canepa with the Ohio Attorney General's Office alleged the Wagners had discussed escape and revenge if they were arrested. If someone was free, he or she should help the others escape and take revenge against “anybody who went against them,” specifically a special agent, Attorney General Mike DeWine, and Pike County Sheriff Charlie Reader, Canepa said.

“There have been multiple conversations where threats have been made,” Canepa said. “And we’d say specifically George Wagner is probably the most known for any of those threats.”
 
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I rewatched AC opening and defense opening because on Friday I noticed and started watching GW breathe when the camera would pan to him...particularly when the BCI officer started talking about shoe print.... strange I know...but I could see his breathing accelerate at times. If you get a chance see if you agree...or not.
 
  • #128
I rewatched AC opening and defense opening because on Friday I noticed and started watching GW breathe when the camera would pan to him...particularly when the BCI officer started talking about shoe print.... strange I know...but I could see his breathing accelerate at times. If you get a chance see if you agree...or not.
I noticed this too.
 
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Small crowd. I didnt see anyone sitting on the defense side of room
 
  • #131
Testifying about a box on top of speakers behind easy chair. Contained a notebook with names and numbers. Notebook was open to a certain page. Billy name most recently written in book date 4/21/2016
 
  • #132
IIRC, it was a fuel filter that was used. If you look at the videos on You Tube, you’ll see it’s not very large. Depending on the type of gun, it doesn’t do much to silence noise.

Yes she did say fuel filter multiple times, later oil filter was said, but it's tomatoe, tomato. Empty plastic bottle works too, (as far as suppression).

My question remains, how does it not work for one but works for the other?
 
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L&C youtube if anyone else needs it.

 
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Talking about a "Jets" hat with a bullet hole in the back of it. Bill of hat was torn. Found in kitchen. Swabbed for DNA, was Gary Rhoden's hat. Found several cell phones in kitchen, too.
 
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Ole 4s jaw muscles are working hard talkjng about the hat and bullet hole
 
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Evan Millward
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PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: Special agent Hanshaw is describing other things he found in Chris Sr's living room - including broken glasses (lens was out) and a Jets hat - which he says had a bullet hole in the back and part of a projectile fell out.
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PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: Both sides stipulate as fact the blood on the hat has Gary Rhoden's DNA. Worth noting, the projectile on this was lodged in the bill of the hat.
 
  • #138
Direct of Agent Hanshaw continues

photos he took handed to him, 4777 union hill rd., blood evidence, and shoe print evidence, ballistic evidence already testified too, that were from 4777 Union Hill RD

photo shown to jury, he orients jury to where he took photo, pointing to door jamb looking into house, references evidence collected from house pointing to speaker, box on speaker, collected evidence from box, notebook in box, names and numbers in it, Billy 4/21/16 last date in book, pair of glasses and lens (31), blood pool and drag marks near to glasses,, pair of glasses with a lens missing, collected from center of living room, near lots of blood, notebook and glasses shown to jury, one of arms? on glasses missing, glasses Item 32, took many photos of evidence in situ, took close ups of individual items, (we cannot see items due to them being part of Judges order that no blood photos or items with blood on can be shown,) glasses appear to have some blood on) New York Jets ball cap collected from kitchen, Item 34, distance photo, then close up, damage to cap perforations, fabric altered or torn, damage to bill, torn loose, collected cap, shown to jury, took it carefully out of package, envelope in package, piece of projectile fell out when it was being examined from bill, projectile in envelope, bullet hole in back of hat, pointing it out to jury, dried blood on it, blowout or fraying on hat, (bill area damage, projectile located in bill area) STIPULATION Item 34 found on kitchen floor a ball cap GR DNA on cap, cell phones also found in kitchen, photo where phones found, far side of table, multiple phones, close up of one phone Item 43, showing phone to jury, phone taken apart to be looked at, so now it is in pieces but it was in one piece when he collected it, another phone Item 44, phone taken to pieces as before shown to jury, photo of phone Item 45 same general area as others found, same as before showing disassembled phone to jury
 
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Evan Millward
@EvanMillward
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PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: Hanshaw is now discussing his photos of the bedroom where Chris Sr and Gary's bodies were. He says he didn't try to focus on the victims, but the room as a whole. Family members in the courtroom have seen these a lot - it's clearly still painful for them.
 
  • #140
Now looking at photos of the victims,Chris & Gary, laying next to a safe. Family members aren't able to watch. Some glance and look away. Feel badly for them.

Small flashlight, hand of Gary Rhoden, blood stains on floor. Flashlight collected. Stipulation: Positive for blood, DNA mixture of DNA Gary Rhoden, tested batteries, mixture Gary Rhoden.
 
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