OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #72

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  • #141
Cathy Russon
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Reminder in #GeorgeWagnerIV trial, the judge has ordered the media to not publish any photos that have blood in them. Not even a single spec of blood. No judge has ordered that to that extreme in any trial I've covered.
 
  • #142
Please stop panning the family when showing victims
 
  • #143
Photos of the bodies of Chris Sr and Gary are being shown to jury today by Prosecutor. We've been told by Prosecution at opening that Chris Sr/Gary were first victims. So, this is first crime scene out of four.

Three more crime scenes are yet to be presented with photo evidence of victims. So, I am thinking this process will take all week.
 
  • #144
Evan Millward
@EvanMillward
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PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: Hanshaw tells the jury he found both Chris and Gary with their arms up and sweatshirts rolled up and jeans bunched up - consistent with being drug from their feet.
 
  • #145
G4 writing note to Nash during testimony about the forensic vacuum. G4 and Nash check the camera often. G4 looks like he's tiring, Nash checks watch... coffee?

Edit... Even more note writing by both during testimony about doorknob swaps.
 
  • #146
Watching the trial live on above link.

None of the photo evidence is being shown on camera. Only people in courtroom can see it. Judge has ruled that nothing with blood on it can be displayed on camera.

Those of us watching the live stream are viewing the Rhoden family members weeping as bloody photo evidence is displayed and explained by witness. We are also seeing George and his lawyers at the defense table.

So while we are not allowed to view evidence, we are allowed to stare at the Rhoden family crying in their grief.
 
  • #147
G4 writing note to Nash during testimony about the forensic vacuum. G4 and Nash check the camera often. G4 looks like he's tiring, Nash checks watch... coffee?

Edit... Even more note writing by both during testimony about doorknob swaps.
@ColMustard You have changed your appearance. Almost didn't recognize you.
 
  • #148
@ColMustard You have changed your appearance. Almost didn't recognize you.

Felt like time to change, that's a pic I posted right after the arrests.

I agree about viewing the families in their grief. Now maybe we don't need to see the victims, but blood in a photo shouldn't be banned, makes this trial very hard to follow. Viewers have a built in option, don't watch.

15 minute recess.
 
  • #149
I guess since AC didnt mention DNA evidence in the opening it is a safe bet there isnt any. If so, thats kind of remarkable.

If she mentionded DNA evidence i missed it
 
  • #150
I've been in and out the last half hour or so. Has there been any DNA positive for killers on the touch DNA labs yet?

I'm hearing some, but those I've heard were either no identifiable DNA or Chris or Gary or a combo
 
  • #151
I guess since AC didnt mention DNA evidence in the opening it is a safe bet there isnt any. If so, thats kind of remarkable.

If she mentionded DNA evidence i missed it

In discovery, pretty sure there is DNA test results for Billy and Jake.

As always, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Criminals wear gloves.
 
  • #152
I guess since AC didnt mention DNA evidence in the opening it is a safe bet there isnt any. If so, thats kind of remarkable.

If she mentionded DNA evidence i missed it

Has me wondering when the Ws put their gloves on, or at least BW. Showing up in Tyvek suits and gloves would be a dead giveaway.

No, AC did not say they wore either, I'm just saying...
 
  • #153
Continue Direct of Agent Hanshaw

phones analyzed by cybercrimes unit, Item 46 phone (same process photo shown to jury, then phone shown to jury, another stack of photos, living room then kitchen documented, move to back bedroom area, victims still in situ, followed drag marks from living room to bedroom, gun safe photo shown to jury, (state cutting off defense argument by getting agent to tell jury he was 250 pound in 2016 so if GW was bigger then he could have still walked back to the back bedroom easily (my opinion) back bedroom victims in room, took photos first, blanket on bodies, took wide angle photo of room, big safe, fan, totes, small safe in room, photo of victims taken, zoom in on hands, to see any evidence of hands, see if trauma to hands, ( CR hands, GR hand about nipple height armpit talks confused here so missed what was said) flashlight on floor, blood on floor, flashlight collected at later date STIPULATION NO 7 flashlight item 88 blood found on it, DNA on flashlight case mixture GR major contributor, batteries tested mixture GR major contributor/ GR body next series of photos in relation to CR body, corner of bed, GR his head lots of blood, arm of GR jacket saturated with blood, lower portion of CR leg in photo, arms over head sweatshirt rolled up of GR, both of shoes on, swabs taken on bodies, swabs for possible touch DNA on skin of victims to see if suspect/s DNA left, probably no touch DNA if had gloves on. GR body documented for injuries, over all view of GR head, discoloration around eyes, bullet hole near ear, blood on face, nose area, I wanted to document everything as I saw them, coroner will determine how many times shot, we don't search clothes for bullets send them as is for coroner, hands swabbed for touch DNA item 57 number, swab shown to jury, right hand of GR STIPULATION DNA mixture GR major contributor CR DNA excluded item 58 GR left hand swab STIPULATION mixture GR major, CR excluded

Documented CR body photos and swabs, upper torso of CR, face and torso of GR in photo, blood on chest, clothing position important, arms over heads clothing rolled up. consistent with dragged by feet, wallet CR between his legs, (lower portion of jeans lower part of CR, consistent with being dragged by legs due to how jeans were), both shoes on, laces tied, wallet open, collected wallet, ID card in wallet, CR ID card, swabs CR hands item 55 swab of right hand, STIPULATION DNA mixture CR major GR minor contributor, left hand, mixture CR major GR minor. forensic vacuum used, individual filters used to stop contamination (if I am wearing mask and gloves it impedes DNA being left,) vacuumed outer clothing of black sweatshirt and exposed skin - shirt over face, collected swabs throughout home, they are marked on sketch
item 50 DNA mixture of GR and CR swab 51 doorknob insufficient DNA for analysis handle of safe swabbed, STIPULATION DNA (item 53) insufficient DNA for analysis
STIPULATION item 52 light (missed answer)
swab of entry door STIPULATION Item 27 insufficient DNA item
Item 28 interior handle of door STIPULATION GR b from bedroom light
Item 30-bedroom door swab
Item 6 blind swab from light switch
Item 37 light switch STIPULATION none of those 4 swabs went to lab
 
  • #154
Camera panning, supposedly after the jury exited.

Hanshaw looking at evidence in envelopes on the stand, doesn't touch.

Nash snacking on something, walking around.

Camera back on the mural.
 
  • #155
To me it sounds like victims were piled in together, both had sweatshirts pulled up, so Agent states likely dragged by feet, both had shoes on so fits with the proffer of JW that they were outside, mention of GR jacket

and I posted above but state got Agent to say he was 250 pounds in 2016 and he was able to easily walk to back bedroom and move around in there, cutting off defenses argument that GW was too fat to have dragged bodies,
 
  • #156
They spoke of finding Chris's wallet on his legs, someone had taken it out of his pocket. It was swabbed for touch DNA, but I didn't hear what the lab results were on that.

It's possible there was nothing since the handle of the safe didn't have sufficient DNA.
 
  • #157
IIRC, it was a fuel filter that was used. If you look at the videos on You Tube, you’ll see it’s not very large. Depending on the type of gun, it doesn’t do much to silence noise.
Yesterday I looked up fuel filter and suppressors for SKS’s. I looked up and watched JW’s confession hearing, GW’s bond hearing and searches of the Peterson Rd property and Flying W property. Information that relates to George’s involement that I had forgot was there.
 
  • #158
In discovery, pretty sure there is DNA test results for Billy and Jake.

As always, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Criminals wear gloves.
I definitely agree. First time murderers, first location, dragging victims to bedroom,etc...and not leave anything behind as far as DNA. Either youre real good or real experienced.
Then you keep receipts and electronic footprints to follow like bread crumbs.
 
  • #159
Has me wondering when the Ws put their gloves on, or at least BW. Showing up in Tyvek suits and gloves would be a dead giveaway.

No, AC did not say they wore either, I'm just saying...
BW went their often, would not be surprised to find his DNA, JW at one point lived on the property so his DNA likely to be there, GW says he and FR great friends so likely his theirs, this search was done pre the Wagners becoming suspects, so this DNA was collected initially to try to find the unknown killers, but considering the way the murders went down at CR, and the dragging of bodies etc it is odd that so far not a drop of Wagner DNA has been found yet, could be they wore gloves as well as the admitted masks
 
  • #160
Watching the trial live on above link.

None of the photo evidence is being shown on camera. Only people in courtroom can see it. Judge has ruled that nothing with blood on it can be displayed on camera.

Those of us watching the live stream are viewing the Rhoden family members weeping as bloody photo evidence is displayed and explained by witness. We are also seeing George and his lawyers at the defense table.

So while we are not allowed to view evidence, we are allowed to stare at the Rhoden family crying in their grief.
Only photo showed was cells phone on table . And it was quick.
 
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