GUILTY PA - Dr. Kermit Gosnell for killing patient, 7 infants, Philadelphia, 2011

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  1. JoeFromLB

    JoeFromLB Well-Known Member

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  3. BrownRice

    BrownRice Well-Known Member

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    Just wanted to add the news article is extremely disturbing.
     
  4. SuziQ

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    I hope all of them are put away for a very long time. These people are sick.
     
  5. IWannaKnow

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    http://w3.health.state.ny.us/opmc/factions.nsf/0/d26af17aeb7e849985256a4a0047d322/$FILE/lc107476.pdf

    NY disciplinary charges from 1996.....
     
  6. JoeFromLB

    JoeFromLB Well-Known Member

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    Very much so.

    from another article:

    http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/19/practitioner-charged-with-murder-in-botched-abortion-death/

    Last March, the Pennsylvania Department of Health found the abortion center had violated more than a dozen health and safety laws ranging from a lack of equipment and drugs for emergency resuscitation to not having a way to get patients to a hospital or a backup physician. The Philadelphia Inquirer indicated at the time that Gosnell also delayed the report to the state concerning the woman who died in the failed abortion. He had until April 12 to respond to the charges but has failed to do so, and missed an extension taking him to April 30.

    In the raid, officials found what amounted to a “house of horrors” — including collection jars containing the remains of pre-born babies dating back 30 years along with filthy and unsafe conditions and evidence that unlicensed workers had been illegally treating patients. The office has no access for a stretcher in the case of an emergency. In previous emergencies, care was delayed because exit doors were padlocked shut or blocked with debris from the clinic.

    A deficiency report noted that the only source of suction for patients with airway tubes was the same suction machine used for abortions. Filthy and unsanitary conditions were also cited.
     
  7. bessie

    bessie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    What a horrific story. He should have been arrested and the clinic shut down long ago.
     
  8. mimimama5

    mimimama5 One Crazy mama cowgirl

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    Barbaric! This is horrendous! What sort of monster can kill babies by severing their spines with scissors! I cannot imagine what the mothers witnessed and my heart goes out to any woman who was desperate enough to feel she needed his "sevices". I know the people involved will be judged harshly for their actions when their time comes. I dont need to condemn them, they have already done it for me.
     
  9. Tuffy

    Tuffy Not really that tough...

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    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/01/19/philly-doctor-facing-8-counts-of-murder/

    Philly Abortion Doctor Facing 8 Counts Of Murder

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    [​IMG] This is so horrific. He's a butcher, IMO.
     
  10. Sonya610

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    What the mothers witnessed? These were "illegal late term abortions". They dialate the cervix and the woman goes into "labor", the fetus is typically born alive (though it likely can't live long because the lungs are under-developed).

    At that point they either wait for the fetus to die (as it surely will) or they sever the spinal cord to get it over with faster. Late term abortions are very rare and the few clinics that perform them legally usually only do so if the mothers life is in danger.

    I am not getting involved in the politics of the matter but that is obviously what happened here. I personally do not feel bad for the mothers at all, they chose to wait that long and they likely didn't "witness" the severing of the spinal cord.

    It doesn't give the age of the fetuses (could have been 6 months along which means they couldn't possibly have survived or they could have been 8.5 months along which means it was basically inducing labor and killing a viable infant). Unless this Dr. was a complete nut they likely were not viable.
     
  11. Recovering-Lurker

    Recovering-Lurker I'm Back and on My Best Behavior

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    In one of the articles posted, it says the babies were born at 6, 7 and 8 months. :(
     
  12. JoeFromLB

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    That's definitely beyond the age of viability. Jamming a pair of scissors into the neck of a born-alive BABY and severing its spinal cord is something horrific and almost unimaginable to me.

    Not trying to turn the thread into a political argument, but if this isn't murder, then I don't know what is!
     
  13. not_my_kids

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    Yes, they were infants born as late as eight months, and the murder charges stem from the fact that they could have survived had they been given medical treatment after BIRTH.

    This is a tough issue for me, personally. I don't support partial birth or late term abortion, because to me, it is a baby at that point in time. I do however, support a woman's right to choose within the first four to five months of pregnancy. But this was not the first four or five months. These were infants, point blank. If you have to sever their spinal cords to kill them, it's murder, not abortion.
     
  14. OrdinaryLife

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    I, in my very humble opinion, feel it is very harsh to judge the women who had abortions done by this so called human being. I will admit, for the very first time, I am not a fan of abortion. *My* personal belief, but I would never judge another for their own personal choice. That said, late term abortions make me want to vomit if it performed simply to get rid of child and has absolutely no medical justifications.

    This less than a human being committed murder and who knows what he, or others, told some of these women. I'm going to toss a bone there and will wait for more information before I hold accountable some who chose to go to him for "procedures".

    This whole investigation makes me ill. Dear God.... :(
     
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    I don't think this story should be political at all. This is on a totally different level regarding a s.o.b. who took advantage for a buck. I'm still trying to digest this....
     
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    I would gently argue (truly with respect, friend) the timing of a 4-5 month abortion. Perhaps do to the fact that I miscarried at that later time frame. But, your point is well made regarding severing spinal cords. Sweet Mary, I just cannot grasp this.
     
  17. mommy23

    mommy23 There is no original thought....

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    I just read this on my local news, and came here to post about it! I don't care what anyones stance on abortion is, I think we can all agree, this is wrong and absolutely heartbreaking!!!!
     
  18. not_my_kids

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    And I understand. And remember, my abortion views are odd. I support it for others, but couldn't ever do it myself, so there's a lot that I don't understand about the mindset of the mother and things of that nature. Five months is the latest that I can see anyone being able to say that it's not a baby. (Not to start a debate on when a baby becomes a baby...really, just from talking to people that have had abortions and reading online and things like that. I know we all have our own views on that.)
    There are a lot of places in the U.S. where you can't even abort that far into a pregnancy, but I could accept a mother's choice up until about five months along. After that, it's difficult for me to see how anyone could do it, even in the countries where extremely late term abortion is still legal.

    But this...at eight months gestation, born and out of the womb, even partially, even to me, with my rather loose definitions of fetus versus child, that's a baby. I hope that the mothers were deceived, somehow and that they were not aware what they were signing up for. (I don't quite see how, but hey, I can hope.) it's bad enough to have one person that could be capable of doing this, but how did he find an entire office staff that supported and assisted him in doing this?
    Sorry, my aunt and I were discussing this case on the phone just after I saw it here. She was offered the opportunity to work in an abortion clinic and being just out of nursing school, she took the job. But even with as badly as she needed the job, she was vigilant about keeping an eye on things, like the training of the other staff, the amounts of drugs given, and the cleanliness of the facility. She was never comfortable with it, but she had her own family to feed. This shocked her and brought her to tears, and she has worked at a facility that almost exclusively catered to abortions. (Although it was up to code and met every standard.)

    I'm sorry for rambling, but this is not the kind of thing that you can expect to read about in the U.S. We shouldn't be reading about it anywhere, but you really don't expect it in a major US metropolis.
     
  19. OrdinaryLife

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    No worries, NMK's. I, like yourself, could never make that decision. Without going into details (I'm probably already sharing too much, but I'm way older now and don't care. <grin>), there was a time and reality hit. That's when I knew, ***for me***, not an option. That said, I would never judge another. Anyhoo.....

    I am interested to see the findings regarding this s.o.b. and I'm sure more details will eventually come out. This is a crime and should not go into the abortion debate. Two very separate issues. Scissors, spinal cords, and death. I'm still beside myself that any person could practice with such hateful death intent for money..... :sick:
     
  20. tlcya

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    My coworker pointed this one out to me this morning and I am just sickened. This whole case is just horrifying.
     
  21. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    I know two girls, one now 20ish and the other 4 that were born between the 5-6 month state and both are fine, bright, happy girls. Both babies, when born, spent several weeks to months in the hospital before they could come home but they were fighters and come home they did. And they are both doing fine.

    This is horrendous. :(:(

    Salem
     

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