Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #8

[Lola]

This says that he had a lawyer during the interrogation...FWIW (translated version)

Netherlands: 'Yes, I killed Stephany'

<snip>

Attorney and lawyer

Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor, head of the 40 Provincial Prosecutor Criminal Court, heard confession rocked the crude.

Van der Sloot was assisted throughout by the public defender Rosa Luisa Camargo.

Stephany Flores, as the murderer, fell face down on the floor after receiving a blow to the head.

He had previously struggled with the assailant in a desperate attempt to escape. The scum who did confirm this.

 

[LadyL]

I wondered that too, Nort, since the casino was supposedly owned by her Dad's friend. I wondered if she was trying to be discreet and keep her face off camera

Her friend allegedly told media though that S was actually a lesbian, so her friend thought S would never have had any interest in going in a room with a guy. I wondered maybe if he convinced her he wasn't interested in sex, said, I'm not looking for sex, you can crash in my room, or hey, "I'm gay, too, don't worry, let's just do drugs" or just had some other story like, "let's go to my room so I can pick up some more money real quick and then we'll go out for breakfast, or whatever. How about, if we go by my room we can get the money I owe you? What if she'd lent him money in the casino?
She still might hide her face so no one would get the wrong idea about her going into a room with a guy....still it is strange she would go to a room with a stranger from another country, when her girlfriend says she wouldn't go in a room with any guy. Why not just wait in the lobby....
I wonder if rufinol tends to make someone follow like that or hang their head like that

of course her friend could have been mistaken, maybe she wasn't sure about her sexuality yet, but I still would kind of be surprised she would trust a complete stranger and go in his room

[bbm]

In my personal experience, I would've followed anyone who said they could help me b/c I felt so ill and afraid and whoozy. I knew something was wrong but I didn't know what. I felt like I couldn't walk properly but I don't know if I hung my head.

If she were drugged, it wouldn't take much of an explanation from him b/c everything seems strange anyway.

I want to know more about the supposed 'friend' that the musician saw Joran with at the casino and the comments he supposedly overheard from the 'friend' telling Joran to hurry up, that they don't have much time before the girls leave or something to that effect.

I think it's possible this other person or persons was conspiring with Joran to drug one or more of the girls and that Stephanie's friends are lucky to have escaped.

However, if it's true that Steph drove her friends home, I don't think it's probable that she was drugged prior to that time as there's no way she would've been able or felt capable of driving. I guess it would depend on when she was possibly given something and how quickly it took effect. If Joran or his supposed 'friend' have drugged girls before, they would know what signs to watch for IMO and when to move in and take over.

If she was drugged after she dropped her friends off, it would be easy for Joran to convince her to walk back to his hostel. She would likely want the fresh air and her only focus would be how to get rid of this sick feeling, perhaps by taking a nap in his room.

All JMO.

 

[suzihawk]

I always thought the t-shirt was a cami or an undershirt.

Or sports bra?

 

[passionflower]

No one will back off this story.
The world has to put JVS away........
he has murdered and will again.
I love PERU for calling him a murderer instead of POI like USA does.

 

[passionflower]

How long does the date rape drug, keep a girl under???
They drank, gambled and stayed up all night...........no sleep?
I guess JVS was up all night NH disappeared and took a test at school and passed also.

 

[Roze]

From your link:

Rebuilding the murder of Flores Stephany Ramirez (21) at the hands of citizens Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (22), as part of the police investigation was suspended this afternoon due to the large presence of national and foreign press, reported Channel N.

It was learned further that the murderer's mother, Anita van der Sloot, have arrived in Peru to support her son, who yesterday confessed his crime and could face up to 35 years in prison if it is determined that planned the death of the young. But if you are charged with manslaughter for backlash, the penalty could be less than five years .

WTF!? Five years?! Grrrrr...

Do they really think the media is going to back off this story?

It will not happen that he will be sentenced to 5 years. I guarantee you. Don't even worry about it.

 

[texaslb218]

Wolf Blitzer, CNN, Joran story coming up.

 

[ella971]

It will not happen that he will be sentenced to 5 years. I guarantee you. Don't even worry about it.

I'm praying you are right. Thank You everyone for keeping us filled in and being so helpful.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

her brother said on tv that she was mutilated beyond their ability to identify her, including a missing eye. not exactly a quick karate chop kind of scene. but if JVS said he killed her with a quick chop, who am I to doubt him?:banghead:

JVS did not report this, it was reported in La Republica, a Peruvian newspaper. Also reported that he held out his hand to show them how he did it. That would explain the broken neck. Obviously, he did more to her than what was reported.

 

[suzihawk]

It will not happen that he will be sentenced to 5 years. I guarantee you. Don't even worry about it.

From your fingers to God's ears!

I really expect he won't make it out alive. Whether in prison or not. He's a marked man.

 

[Nancy2441]

There has been a lot of reading to catch up on last night and today. You Websleuthers are doing a great job!!

 

[scrabble]

I pray that he is incarcerated for the rest of his life and he never gets a chance to hurt or murder anyone else.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

Marijuana doesn't make you falsely confess to crimes as was alleged in the Netherlands. Nor does it make you kill someone. I understand from JBean that it does cause psycotic breaks in some individuals, however, we saw months and months of videotapes of Joran smoking pot, and not one psychotic break was reported.

 

[suzihawk]

There has been a lot of reading to catch up on last night and today. You Websleuthers are doing a great job!!

I just spent 3 hours getting caught up from being away all day. Now I have to go back out. Dammit! You good sleuthers keep up the good work and I'll get caught back up when I get back. :wave:

 

[i.b.nora]

So how does this jive with the extortion plot? Didn't money change hands on the 10th?
Sorry, I'm confused.

According to the complaint filed with the U.S. Attorney in Birmingham, Alabama, money was wired or transfered from a bank in Alabama to a bank in the Netherlands on May 10. He did not have to be in the Netherlands to receive it.
Mark Fuhrman has stated that Joran was in Aruba until May 13th, when he left and supposedly went first to Colombia and then on to Peru on May 14th.

 

[epiphany]

her brother said on tv that she was mutilated beyond their ability to identify her, including a missing eye. not exactly a quick karate chop kind of scene. but if JVS said he killed her with a quick chop, who am I to doubt him?:banghead:

Suppose they are withholding how he explained the rest of the damage to her body. Next, expect to hear how the pot was laced...

Are some descriptions (obviously not broken neck, cuts, scratches, etc.) on the police report, a description of how a body might appear due to the amount of time that passed from time of death to discovery of body?

 

[21merc7]

"he had MARIJUANA in his system when he attacked her"

Marijuana does not turn a person into a crazed karate chop murdering lunatic.

Not picking on you, but it can affect some people adversely. I dated 2 guys that smoked, both would become angry and paranoid, or pick arguments so they would have a "reason" to be angry. Then deny that pot did anything to them, that it was okay. Needless to say I dumped them.

Joran may experience something much worse. IDK. Just know it doesn't make everyone happy and hungry.

ETA: Just saw JBean already covered it.

 

[epiphany]

This says that he had a lawyer during the interrogation...FWIW (translated version)

Netherlands: 'Yes, I killed Stephany'

<snip>

Attorney and lawyer

Ninfa Espinoza Sotomayor, head of the 40 Provincial Prosecutor Criminal Court, heard confession rocked the crude.

Van der Sloot was assisted throughout by the public defender Rosa Luisa Camargo.

Stephany Flores, as the murderer, fell face down on the floor after receiving a blow to the head.

He had previously struggled with the assailant in a desperate attempt to escape. The scum who did confirm this.

(Just posting info) JeanC stated, late today, on both CNN and HLN Live that Peruvian LE will not confirm that an attorney was at his side at all times during his 10-hour confession.

 

[Guardian_Angel]

Does anyone know why, as soon as that money was transferred into his account, the FBI couldn't pick him up?

 

[froginTtown]

Rumour is floating around that Joran has provided a hand-drawn map indicating where he disposed of Natalee's body.

Don't think I can link so will label this as complete rumour.

ETA: apparently this is old news and the reason TM is in Aruba searching; the supposed map was not recently drawn so this is not 'breaking' news

I think the story JVDS told is old, about 3 months now..but the map is something new that they had gotten from the raid at terror jaaps house about a week ago..