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also in the capital forest area .....there is a few places you can camp for free

im curious where was he during that time??? for what ....a month?

i know his girl friend made comment on other myspace travis t moms myspace that she was hoping d would take a couple weeks off in aug and go for a visit....

Wasn't Dale golder working? Thought I recently read that he lost his job at the Bee Hive over the recent publicity - don't know when he lost the job at the camp. Anyone know? TIA
 
Jules - let's start a new thread for the Dale timeline? What do you think?

Also - I found another summer camp near Olympia. It's on YouTube: YouTube - Wonderful World- Solomon Schechter Day School of Essex and Union High School Choir

Here's the address:
Camp Solomon Schechter

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1623 73rd Avenue Southeast, # A,
Olympia, WA 98501


I haven't mapped it yet. Looks like it is down town, but the website clearly shows there is a lake or some kind of water around it: http://www.campschechter.org/go/camp.solomon.schechter.summer.about.asp

It's about 37 mins from McCleary: http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=1...82925&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=11

There are 3 lakes near by: Lake Susan; Munn Lake and Trails End Lake: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...82,-122.878475&spn=0.025471,0.050125&t=h&z=14

Salem
 
I want to post this before I lose my train of thought (from the SW): "When asked why he was sure of this he said it was because he and Golder had discussed the progress of their tomato plants. He said that his had developed into much better plants than Golder's, even though they were planted later. He said that until the evening of Wednesday August 26, 2009 or Thursday August 27, 2009 he had only seen Golder around the shop maybe once or twice all summer. He said that after those dates Golder sometimes--------------had been at Hardy’s residence talking to him almost every evening. The increased visits coincide with_____________being interviewed on 08-26-09. Ralke described ___________ as having some mental issues that may be due to alcohol and or drug abuse. He said he can be manipulated into believing things that did not occur."

Bolded part has my imagination running wild. Maybe Lindsey is alive. Maybe he has her stashed somewhere and that is why he has not been at his shop all summer, until he was interviewed by LE. I know it is a stretch, but it is possible. Where has he been? Also, the witnesses regarding his car said they thought it was strange that DG (or fish as he is now known) was NOT driving his car through town several times a day as was his habit BEFORE Lindsey went missing. So, he is not driving around town and he is not at his shop? His car is hard to miss, because it is noisy. WHERE has he been the last couple of months before LE interviewed him in August?

Whew.... There were so many posts I sped through so I could post this. I posted the distance from Black Lake to McCleary before reading all the way through, only to find that TakeNote (I think it was take note) had already posted it. Didn't want to duplicate again. Now, I will go back and respond to some of those posts that caught my eye.....

Salem

also in the capital forest area .....there is a few places you can camp for free

im curious where was he during that time??? for what ....a month?

i know his girl friend made comment on other myspace travis t moms myspace that she was hoping d would take a couple weeks off in aug and go for a visit....

Wasn't Dale golder working? Thought I recently read that he lost his job at the Bee Hive over the recent publicity - don't know when he lost the job at the camp. Anyone know? TIA


i was thinking about what salem said about how the tomato guy hadnt seen him for a while :)
 
Jules - let's start a new thread for the Dale timeline? What do you think?

Also - I found another summer camp near Olympia. It's on YouTube: YouTube - Wonderful World- Solomon Schechter Day School of Essex and Union High School Choir

Here's the address:
Camp Solomon Schechter

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1623 73rd Avenue Southeast, # A,
Olympia, WA 98501


I haven't mapped it yet. Looks like it is down town, but the website clearly shows there is a lake or some kind of water around it: http://www.campschechter.org/go/camp.solomon.schechter.summer.about.asp

It's about 37 mins from McCleary: http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=1...82925&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=11

There are 3 lakes near by: Lake Susan; Munn Lake and Trails End Lake: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...82,-122.878475&spn=0.025471,0.050125&t=h&z=14

Salem
I posted this last night cause I think this may be where he worked. If you look at the pics it's quite beautiful. Didn't know it was so close to McCleary. Dale Golder is Jewish (I think) and this would be a place he might work, not for the religion but for other reasons. mho
 
Jules - let's start a new thread for the Dale timeline? What do you think?

Also - I found another summer camp near Olympia. It's on YouTube: YouTube - Wonderful World- Solomon Schechter Day School of Essex and Union High School Choir

Here's the address:
Camp Solomon Schechter

5_stars.gif
(1) Read Reviews | Write a Review

1623 73rd Avenue Southeast, # A,
Olympia, WA 98501


I haven't mapped it yet. Looks like it is down town, but the website clearly shows there is a lake or some kind of water around it: http://www.campschechter.org/go/camp.solomon.schechter.summer.about.asp

It's about 37 mins from McCleary: http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=1...82925&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=11

There are 3 lakes near by: Lake Susan; Munn Lake and Trails End Lake: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...82,-122.878475&spn=0.025471,0.050125&t=h&z=14

Salem

Great idea!
 
I want to post this before I lose my train of thought (from the SW): "When asked why he was sure of this he said it was because he and Golder had discussed the progress of their tomato plants. He said that his had developed into much better plants than Golder's, even though they were planted later. He said that until the evening of Wednesday August 26, 2009 or Thursday August 27, 2009 he had only seen Golder around the shop maybe once or twice all summer. He said that after those dates Golder sometimes--------------had been at Hardy’s residence talking to him almost every evening. The increased visits coincide with_____________being interviewed on 08-26-09. Ralke described ___________ as having some mental issues that may be due to alcohol and or drug abuse. He said he can be manipulated into believing things that did not occur."

Bolded part has my imagination running wild. Maybe Lindsey is alive. Maybe he has her stashed somewhere and that is why he has not been at his shop all summer, until he was interviewed by LE. I know it is a stretch, but it is possible. Where has he been? Also, the witnesses regarding his car said they thought it was strange that DG (or fish as he is now known) was NOT driving his car through town several times a day as was his habit BEFORE Lindsey went missing. So, he is not driving around town and he is not at his shop? His car is hard to miss, because it is noisy. WHERE has he been the last couple of months before LE interviewed him in August?

Whew.... There were so many posts I sped through so I could post this. I posted the distance from Black Lake to McCleary before reading all the way through, only to find that TakeNote (I think it was take note) had already posted it. Didn't want to duplicate again. Now, I will go back and respond to some of those posts that caught my eye.....

Salem

WOW Salem...great point....does anyone out there think he had an accomplice? And some killers go back to where the body of there victims are for who knows what ungodly reason....i want to see the cell phone records for august and sept too...
 
Rock Candy Mountain
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...39,-122.974262&spn=0.027395,0.077162&t=h&z=14

i found some pics on i believe is dales relitives, cause they live in the same area and they share the same last name.....

there were pics of mudding up in the forest and under one of the pics it mentioned rock candy mountian....and i looked it up.....

something to look into.....its in the capital forest area....18 miles from McCleary and straight shot on highway 8

Google map: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...13,-123.179998&spn=0.203481,0.401001&t=h&z=11 Looks like it is about 47 minutes from McCleary.

Salem
 
What about the area of the second job he was working, is that too far away to be a possibility. Also thought about whether a spiked soft drink was offered?

spiked Monster beverage ala melissa huckaby
 
wow...just had a thought....my kids all kinda know eachothers myspace passwords....maybe "alice" or dale had Lindsey's myspace password...jat
 
I posted this last night cause I think this may be where he worked. If you look at the pics it's quite beautiful. Didn't know it was so close to McCleary. Dale Golden is Jewish (I think) and this would be a place he might work, not for the religion but for other reasons. mho

I didn't mean to duplicate your work eyes - I guess I missed your post? Sorry. It does look beautiful. Golden does sound like a Jewish name.

I wish we knew for sure exactly where he worked.

Salem
 
I posted this last night cause I think this may be where he worked. If you look at the pics it's quite beautiful. Didn't know it was so close to McCleary. Dale Golden is Jewish (I think) and this would be a place he might work, not for the religion but for other reasons. mho

i dont remember hearing that DG was Jewish...where did you hear that from?
 
I think this is just speculation based on his name. Eyes - correct me if I'm wrong here.

Salem

i just think that its kinda weird because i grew up back east with a large Jewish population...moved here to WA and been here 10 years...and yes i am serious...i have yet too meet a Jewish person...weird
 
I didn't mean to duplicate your work eyes - I guess I missed your post? Sorry. It does look beautiful. Golden does sound like a Jewish name.

I wish we knew for sure exactly where he worked.

Salem

Salem - you didn't duplicate my work at all. I posted all the youth camps in Olympia that I could find. That's the one I thought he would be working at. Nobody picked up on it last night as being a valid idea. We should all duplicated each other's work, things go so fast, I miss tons.

Regarding him being Jewish: I'm not sure now, somehow I got the idea his entire family is. I'm sure they weren't practicing the Jewish religion, but I guess I thought Dale Golder would use that possibility or opportunity to work in a Jewish camp ( I see Dale Golder as an opportunist). Sorry for the thought - it may not be true at all. I honestly can't remember what gave he that thought. :blushing:
 
i just think that its kinda weird because i grew up back east with a large Jewish population...moved here to WA and been here 10 years...and yes i am serious...i have yet too meet a Jewish person...weird

when I researched the name Golder in Seattle, Olympia etc - the back ground checks came back as the person being Jewish. Maybe that's where I got the idea. Sorry.
 
Well I agree about your thought that DG is an opportunist.

Salem

O/T - I'm calling it a night. Busy day tomorrow and my eyes are crossing here. See you all tomorrow!
 
Are there any locals who are familiar with the exact location of the Capitol Forest fire on July 3rd that was ultimately ruled arson?

I think I remember it being further east than the places we're looking at right now, but I am not 100% positive.

Thanks in advance!


ETA - found this http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/adventure/2009/07/05/p43197
http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/902049.html#


The blaze started about 3 p.m. Friday in a remote section of Capitol State Forest, off a logging road about a half-mile from the Fall Creek Campground.
 
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