post trial discussion of evidence

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  1. dog.gone.cute

    dog.gone.cute Kyron Horman - Missing Since 6-4-10

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    :seeya: Hello and :welcome:

    The link below has some photos from day 3 of the trial ... I think there are some photos that may answer your question.

    http://www.newschannel5.com/news/photos-day-three-of-holly-bobo-murder-trial#id0


    If I find any more, I will post.

    :seeya:
     


  2. dog.gone.cute

    dog.gone.cute Kyron Horman - Missing Since 6-4-10

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    :seeya:

    1st BBM: In my opinion, NB was the link to the A's ...

    2nd BBM: And NB's testimony did NOT fit the Version No. 2 of the State's case - the JA Version.

    Version No. 1 of the State's case was Dylan's interrogation which was presented before the Grand Jury.

    ALL JMO and :moo:
     
  3. dog.gone.cute

    dog.gone.cute Kyron Horman - Missing Since 6-4-10

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    :seeya: I agree with the above !
     
  4. dog.gone.cute

    dog.gone.cute Kyron Horman - Missing Since 6-4-10

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    :seeya: I totally understand your point here ... But her absence speaks volumes IMO ... I posted earlier that she had made some statements to the MSM very early on ... but then poof !

    My question is why ?

    :moo:
     
  5. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    I think the reason she was absent was because it was easier for all involved.

    It was better and easier for NB, and for her family.

    And less dangerous for both the state and the defense,

    So everyone just let it be. JMO :cow:
     
  6. Madeleine74

    Madeleine74 Of course it's my opinion, who else's would it be?

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    There was compelling evidence, and enough of it, to convince this jury, so they said through their verdict. To me that means they believed at least some of JA's testimony, if not most or even all of it. I myself believed the major parts of JA's testimony and it was those major parts that had corroboration.

    As for NB and what she could have added, it might have added to the "why take Holly/motive" question. If ZA became aware of HB because NB showed him a picture and if NB had indicated a sexual tryst was possible, that would certainly be of interest to ZA, even if what NB said wasn't the least bit true. And, if it was a lie ZA told and NB never said it and never showed ZA a picture, it doesn't help ZA anyway. The defense wouldn't want to show any ties between ZA and the Bobo women and NB would potentially be a link.
     
  7. UndiscoveredTruth

    UndiscoveredTruth Well-Known Member

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    I'd like to know how close Holly and NB actually were. When they last had contact. When NB last had contact with any of Holly's family members i.e. Mother, father or brother! <modsnip> What was the question asked to Holly that morning to have her respond with a "No, why?" (Clint heard those words or similar words anyway). Was she asked if NB had been in touch with her? (or a similar question involving NB). :thinking: <modsnip>. All MOO
     
  8. Pamelateach5

    Pamelateach5 New Member

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    I have been watching the trial on YouTube. Why would Jason Autry say that Zach Adams went there to teach Clint how to make meth? I&#8217;ve tried to read everything I could and I can&#8217;t find where Clint had any connection to drugs. Why didn&#8217;t he just say Zach went there to abduct her. Her remains were also not found where Autry said Zach told him they were. If he lied about part of his testimony, how do we know he wasn&#8217;t lying about all of it? Maybe he was in it from the beginning.......
     
  9. UndiscoveredTruth

    UndiscoveredTruth Well-Known Member

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    JA testified that ZA told him he went there to teach Clint how to make meths. ZA could very well have told JA that. Doesn't make it true, but ZA may not have wanted to tell JA he was there solely to kidnap Holly. As far as we know, Clint was not involved in anyway. I don't recall ZA's telling JA exactly where Hollys remains were, just that they were buried or they got rid of her body. SA (Shayne Austin) apparently told LE where Hollys body was buried but when LE went to the location, they could not find Hollys body/remains. It's quite possible, SA was telling the truth but her body was removed. If my memory has failed me (anybody), please feel free to correct me. TIA
     
  10. Pamelateach5

    Pamelateach5 New Member

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    ZA told JA he dumped the body at a place called Kelly&#8217;s Ridge, but that&#8217;s not where the remains were found.
     
  11. Madeleine74

    Madeleine74 Of course it's my opinion, who else's would it be?

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    JA repeated what he said ZA told him (about HB's abduction). If what ZA said was a lie, then he's the liar and JA was repeating it, not knowing if it was true.

    If JA wasn't himself at the Bobo residence, and there's no evidence he was, then he would have no first-hand knowledge of abduction details beyond what ZA or SA told him.
     
  12. AmandaReckonwith

    AmandaReckonwith Defective Detective

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    Can anyone point out where Kelly's Ridge is?

    Since so little was found of Holly's bones, it is also possible there might be bones at Kelly's Ridge, just not surfaced like the ones near the cell tower.
     
  13. dog.gone.cute

    dog.gone.cute Kyron Horman - Missing Since 6-4-10

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    :seeya: I like your questions ... :D ... and I have the same questions.

    1st BBM: From what I have read, apparently at one time they were close.

    2nd BBM: Now that is one of the many $64,000 questions that I have regarding this case ... I thought we would have found out these answers at trial -- we didn't -- I have more questions after the trial then I did 6+ years ago.

    3rd & 4th BBM: I totally agree ... IMO, she was the "link" to the A's ... not saying that she was involved, just linked.


    Also I went "digging" in the MSM for references to NB - they are out there from early on in the case IF you can find them.

    Here is an excerpt from CNN Nancy Grace Show with a reference to NB:

    DNA Results in Holly Bobo Case

    Aired April 20, 2011 - 20:00:00 ET

    DEBORAH NORVILLE, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight as we go live to Tennessee and the continuing mystery of a beautiful nursing student, the cousin of a rising country music star, who has gone missing without a trace. Investigators have turned to roadblocks, stopping Holly Bobo`s neighbors to question them about suspicious activities they might have seen in the area, her last known sighting by her own brother, who says he saw her being led into the woods by a mystery man in camouflage. The brother reportedly found flecks of blood across the lawn, prompting him to call 911. Then Holly`s lunchbox is found discarded in the woods, and reportedly also found, duct tape with blond hair.

    ........

    NORVILLE: Well, for instance, it`s being reported by one magazine that there were flecks of blood in the lawn. Would that be how he`s described it to you?

    BROMLEY: He`s not described it to me.

    NORVILLE: Has the family shared what he said?

    BROMLEY: No. No. We`ve not talked at length about what Clint witnessed that day.

    NORVILLE: As you know, we have spoken off-camera with other family members, and Natalie Bobo, who`s a cousin of Holly who`s gone missing, said to us that Clint had indicated that he had taken a polygraph test and passed it. Can you confirm that?

    BROMLEY: I don`t know that to be sure. Has the investigators said anything about that?

    NORVILLE: Well, this is a family member who has told us, and we`re trying to confirm that with you as the family spokesperson.

    BROMLEY: Right. I don`t know that to be factual. That would be something you`d have to talk with the investigators about.


    Link: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1104/20/ng.01.html
     
  14. Pamelateach5

    Pamelateach5 New Member

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    The more I think about it, I don&#8217;t believe any of Jason Autry&#8217;s story. I think Holly was taken up to that cell tower, walked into the woods and raped and then shot. She stayed there until her remains were found. If Zach Adams killed her I believe that&#8217;s where it happened. Who wants to lug a dead body 400 yards into those woods. Then that person made a loop and headed back toward Parsons throwing some of her things out of the vehicle to focus attention away from where the body was. Just my opinion.
     
  15. terpstra1

    terpstra1 New Member

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    Imo the where was NB and why didn't she testify questions are moot. They obviously didn't need her as they won a conviction without her. Zacks atty. couldn't call her. She would have contradicted that he had never seen her.

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  16. Steleheart

    Steleheart Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    My vision on how that was done was an off-road quad, ATV, etc.

    JMO
     
  17. Gooddeeds

    Gooddeeds Former Member

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    -I have the same questions. And I did not follow from 2011 on, which may be why I haven’t heard about Clint calling 911 and the statement about the specs of blood?? Was that debunked, thrown out??

    -I think NB would have cast a negative cloud on the family. So they proceeded without. I wonder if that relationship will remain in tact.
     
  18. Tugela

    Tugela Well-Known Member

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    Most likely the wife was not called because she had denied throwing the gun away or even knowing about it. It would kind of undermine their witness if the other corroborating witness contradicted him.

    Other than Dinsmore's say so was there anything to suggest that the gun was even connected to ZA at all, let alone to the murder?
     
  19. Tugela

    Tugela Well-Known Member

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    If there was no demonstrable connection with the crime it should not have been introduced, since it could be considered inflammatory.
     
  20. Tugela

    Tugela Well-Known Member

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    Hiding a weapon that you had reason to believe was involved in a crime is a criminal offence in itself, so my guess is that she denied doing it, or even knowing that the gun existed. They could hardly put her on the stand if she did that, since it would undermine the witness they were using to connect the defendant to the crime.

    What surprises me is that the defense did not call her to the stand. I know that in general you don't want to call a witness when you don't know what they are going to say, but the fact that the state did not call her to corroborate what the husband was saying (since she supposedly got rid of the gun) is kind of a red flag that she would likely say something different on the stand. I guess they figured that since there was nothing connecting the defendant to the gun other than the husband's say so, or that the gun was even involved in the crime, it was not worth the risk. Frankly, I don't know why the judge even allowed the gun to be entered into evidence considering that there was nothing to indicate that it was even involved in HB's death. Did Autry say that that particular gun was the one used, or was he not specific about the precise gun used?
     

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