Prescriptions on the Property

[whiteangora]

I noticed that Cindy was taking Lexapro and Clonazepam (Klonopin)
but she saw different doctors for each one. I wonder why?
Also, about the Soma (Carisoprodol), medicines affect everyone very differently. I have taken Soma and it never even gave me any relief, I would compare it's effect on me as to taking an aspirin.
As for the Klonopin, that is the strongest of the benzos.
I am surprised these meds were even made public, isn't that against the HIPAA laws?

ETA: Just to clarify, I have what is called an extremely high tolerance, even the Anesthesiologists are amazed
that they have such a difficult time putting me out for surgeries. I realize this is not the norm.

 

[Kimmer]

Due to being disabled with a back injury, I am on a myriad of prescribed medications, One of those meds is Soma, and when the document dump last week showed that Soma was a drug that was available in the home I was concerned, the best way to describe the effects of this drug, is it makes you feel as though you are drunk..and that is one of the reasons that Dr's do not normally prescribe it because people tend to abuse it to attain the same feeling as alcohol...In the event that this medicine had been given to Caylee, as well as the possibility of mixing it with Xanaz it would be very easy for this to depress the breathing of a small child, and when you mix chloroform into the mix this would be a cocktail for disaster..

I am in no way saying that this is what happened to Caylee but the the fact that we now know that Soma was in the house, as well as I am sure with KC party scene she would have had no problem getting ahold of Xanaz, and if nothing else just knowing that she had friends who had this drug thru a DR and she was so into stealing from her friends I am sure she could have obtained this drug easily...Then the fact of the chloroform just makes me want to see what the toxicology report shows...It appears that when you take the totality of physical and circumstantial evidence in this case poor Caylee did not stand a chance..

Kimmer

 

[BetsyB]

Well, we know there were scrips because George took his when he left. With Cindy being an RN, there's a good chance there were more. I was thinking there was probably a scrip for Xanax.

I don't know if anything will match the tox reports; I have no knowledge in that area. Perhaps something would show in the bone marrow, but if the body was completely skeletonized, I don't even know if there would be any marrow left to test.

(Bold mine) Nurses don't really have more access to meds than the general population, so I would not make this assumption. (Yes, I am one.)

Bone is tissue, and some materials are evident in skeletonized bone.

 

[whiteangora]

(Bold mine) Nurses don't really have more access to meds than the general population, so I would not make this assumption. (Yes, I am one.)

Bone is tissue, and some materials are evident in skeletonized bone.

bold.me
The narcotics cabinet is always kept locked and closely supervised.
But Cindy wasn't even near any drugs in her work, so no worries about that.

 

[Chezhire]

bold.me
The narcotics cabinet is always kept locked and closely supervised.But Cindy wasn't even near any drugs in her work, so no worries about that.

One would hope so.

 

[ecs5298]

I noticed that Cindy was taking Lexapro and Clonazepam (Klonopin)
but she saw different doctors for each one. I wonder why?
Also, about the Soma (Carisoprodol), medicines affect everyone very differently. I have taken Soma and it never even gave me any relief, I would compare it's effect on me as to taking an aspirin.
As for the Klonopin, that is the strongest of the benzos.
I am surprised these meds were even made public, isn't that against the HIPAA laws?

ETA: Just to clarify, I have what is called an extremely high tolerance, even the Anesthesiologists are amazed
that they have such a difficult time putting me out for surgeries. I realize this is not the norm.

If you look at the date for the Klonopin it was prescribed after July 15th. She probably needed it!

 

[JBean]

I noticed that Cindy was taking Lexapro and Clonazepam (Klonopin)
but she saw different doctors for each one. I wonder why?
Also, about the Soma (Carisoprodol), medicines affect everyone very differently. I have taken Soma and it never even gave me any relief, I would compare it's effect on me as to taking an aspirin.
As for the Klonopin, that is the strongest of the benzos.
I am surprised these meds were even made public, isn't that against the HIPAA laws?

ETA: Just to clarify, I have what is called an extremely high tolerance, even the Anesthesiologists are amazed
that they have such a difficult time putting me out for surgeries. I realize this is not the norm.

soma is a muscle relaxer not a pain reliever in case that hasn't been clarified.



ETA: It is actually a good sign that the drugs are from different doctors. It may mean that she is seeing a specialist for each complaint. IOW, a doctor treating muscle pain should not be prescribing for anxiety.

 

[Chezhire]

SNIPPED: "... It is actually a good sign that the drugs are from different doctors. It may mean that she is seeing a specialist for each complaint. IOW, a doctor treating muscle pain should not be prescribing for anxiety.

ITA - as long as she's not prescription shopping and the docs all know what the others are prescribing...

 

[one_hooah_wife]

ITA - as long as she's not prescription shopping and the docs all know what the others are prescribing...

Doctor shopping is very common!! But the key is using different pharmacies ... usually small pharmacies, that do not network with others to reveal duplicate or contradicting prescriptions!

 

[debbie0604]

I'm thinking that LE was able to check the hair to see what was given to Caylee before she died. Tox screen levels can be checked on hair and can go back for months and months (for as long as the hair is, so if the hair is long - the months can be longer (up to a year), the shorter the hair, the shorter the time period). I'm hoping LE knows what was given to her and can link it to KC. I just pray that sweet baby didn't suffer.

 

[sua_sponte]

I noticed that Cindy was taking Lexapro and Clonazepam (Klonopin)
but she saw different doctors for each one. I wonder why?
Also, about the Soma (Carisoprodol), medicines affect everyone very differently. I have taken Soma and it never even gave me any relief, I would compare it's effect on me as to taking an aspirin.
As for the Klonopin, that is the strongest of the benzos.
I am surprised these meds were even made public, isn't that against the HIPAA laws?
ETA: Just to clarify, I have what is called an extremely high tolerance, even the Anesthesiologists are amazed
that they have such a difficult time putting me out for surgeries. I realize this is not the norm.

Bolding mine -
I too am surprised that this was made public. HIPAA laws are no joke. I wouldn't be surprised to see some legal action from Cindy on this one.

Is anyone else bothered that this was made public? Although I have to admit that I love being able to see all the evidence without the filter of the court's evidence rules, I am still baffled that I can. Some of this should never be made public.(at least not before the trial) It just seems unfair to all involved.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I noticed that Cindy was taking Lexapro and Clonazepam (Klonopin)
but she saw different doctors for each one. I wonder why?
Also, about the Soma (Carisoprodol), medicines affect everyone very differently. I have taken Soma and it never even gave me any relief, I would compare it's effect on me as to taking an aspirin.
As for the Klonopin, that is the strongest of the benzos.
I am surprised these meds were even made public, isn't that against the HIPAA laws?

ETA: Just to clarify, I have what is called an extremely high tolerance, even the Anesthesiologists are amazed
that they have such a difficult time putting me out for surgeries. I realize this is not the norm.

I agree completely about Soma- it does nothing for me.. I get more of a buzz off of Nyquil. Darvocet is equally mild, IMO. But I get that they effect others differently.

Klonopin is not only stronger it also has a much longer half-life (20-40 hours).

 

[OneLostGrl]

Bolding mine -
I too am surprised that this was made public. HIPAA laws are no joke. I wouldn't be surprised to see some legal action from Cindy on this one.

Is anyone else bothered that this was made public? Although I have to admit that I love being able to see all the evidence without the filter of the court's evidence rules, I am still baffled that I can. Some of this should never be made public.(at least not before the trial) It just seems unfair to all involved.

I'm shocked at a lot of the stuff that has been made public!

 

[OneLostGrl]

If you look at the date for the Klonopin it was prescribed after July 15th. She probably needed it!

As I mentioned the other day that really doesn't mean anything (to me). Ya only get so many refills on a script of Klonopin (with Benzo's it's usually no more than 3) before you have to go back and see your pdoc for a new "paper" script. The date on any prescription bottle only shows when THAT bottle was filled.

 

[OneLostGrl]

soma is a muscle relaxer not a pain reliever in case that hasn't been clarified.



ETA: It is actually a good sign that the drugs are from different doctors. It may mean that she is seeing a specialist for each complaint. IOW, a doctor treating muscle pain should not be prescribing for anxiety.

Take enough of anything and it relieves pain. LOL :crazy:

ETA- JMO but- She has a doctor prescribing the Lexapro.. the Klonopin and Lexapro should be prescribed by the same doc... psych matters are one complaint.

 

[whiteangora]

Take enough of anything and it relieves pain. LOL :crazy:

ETA- JMO but- She has a doctor prescribing the Lexapro.. the Klonopin and Lexapro should be prescribed by the same doc... psych matters are one complaint.

bold,me
That's what I was talking about earlier, 2 doctors for same condition.
I know that Soma is a muscle relaxant.

 

[LeLe1953]

I agree completely about Soma- it does nothing for me.. I get more of a buzz off of Nyquil. Darvocet is equally mild, IMO. But I get that they effect others differently.

Klonopin is not only stronger it also has a much longer half-life (20-40 hours).

If I remember right, the Lexapro was before Caylee went missing but the Klonopin was after & that would explain 2 different docs. She could have gotten Lexapro from her family doc & maybe saw a mental health professional after Caylee went missing OR she could have simply seen a different doc within her doctors practice.
I'm with you, Soma does take care of my back ache but does not make me sleepy or loopy. It knocks my daughter on her butt though.

 

[LeLe1953]

I'm so glad your grandson is ok. :blowkiss:

I never would have thought about putting the baby's feet in cold water - I'll keep that tip in the back of mind and hope I never have to use it. Thanks so much for sharing it.

To clarify about putting my grandson's feet in cold water....he was breathing, so he had a hearbeat, other wise I would have been doing CPR. He was just very sleepy, confused, stumbling & it was getting worse. I could not really wake-wake him. I would do a light sternal rub & call his name & he would barely open his eyes. I didn't want to take my eyes, ears or hands of this child so I had my neighbor hold onto him & continue to rouse him. I wanted to make sure he was taking as many deep breaths as possible even if that meant making him cry. We all know how kids "suck in" when they are startled. I tried smacking the bottom of his feet, that doesnt hurt as it is the same kind of smack they give newborns sometimes to make em cry. That didnt really work so I put his little feet under the coldest water I could at the sink. That did make him stir a little more but he still didnt cry. After that I handed him back to my neighbor was my daughter was calling me on the other line, the baby cried when I gave him to my neighbor...that was a blessing. The cold water was strictly used to try & wake him up. I am also glad he was fine. Thank God it was not the ritalin or zyprexa.

 

[karenz]

Does anyone have the capability to blow up a pic from the latest doc dump? There is a picture of their prescriptions on the counter. I would love to know what they are. Cannot locate pic right now. Anyone have it?

 

[LeLe1953]

True, but I was thinking more along the lines of Cindy trying to medicate Casey at some point in time, since she was telling other ppl. that Casey had certain mental problems, rather than taking Casey to see a physician, which would require everyone "admitting" there was a problem. If so, Cindy would have found a way. Maybe not at her office, but by bribing someone at a nursing home. Unfortunately, money talks and we already know just how far she'll go to try to cover up/defend Casey when the rest of the world realizes "what" has happened (and by "what" I'm not just referring to Casey killing Caylee, I'm talking about as far back as CIndy refusing to acknowledge Casey was pregnant with Caylee and they all attended the family wedding and Cindy told people "Oh no, she's not pregnant, it's a medical condition, etc.") Farfetched? Maybe. :waitasec: If true, then Casey could've used these drugs on Caylee and there wouldn't ever be any record.

As someone in the health care field, I can tell you it is VERY difficult to get meds w/o them being noticed as missing. In the hospital most now use the pixis system. In the docs office reps used to drop off a crap load of samples for many drugs including Ambien. Now though the DEA does not allow samples for those kinds of drugs to be given to docs as samples as it is far easier for them to be stolen by staff. The other issue with sample drugs is a doc might give them to a patient to see how they do on them or might even them a months worth to save the pt money. In either situation there is no written RX just a note in pts chart. That would allow a pt who is abusing drugs to go to a different doc & get a script as they are only filling the one it would not alert the insurance co or they might even get more samples.

I don't know how strict the docs were that monitered the pts seen by the home health agency but I guess it is possible the nurse could call the doc saying a patient has xyz symptoms & get him to call/fax an RX in. If the nurse is well known & respected by the doc & he knows the patient well he might do this over the phone as docs do phone orders all the time. A doc knows a good nurse is excellent at observing pt symptoms & knowing any changes the pt is going thru. If that home health nurse is well known by the drug store as the home health care nurse to a very ill pt they would not have a problem with them picking up the Rx. That really is the only way I can think that someone would be able to score drugs from a doc. With all that being said though, I do not know if Cindy even saw patients. I dont think she did. I believe she was strictly in the office enviroment. My personal thoughts are Cindy did not have access to drugs. Casey would have an easier time getting her hands on them by looking into friend s medicine cabinet. Another reason why you never keep your meds in the bathroom.