Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #7

[Hope4More]

Exactly. His religion commands forgiveness, as does mine. Seven times seventy. You must forgive. She...being a sociopath plays on this....has been doing it since Sept 2006 when they met.
She also knows he's --in his own words-- addicted to the relationship they shared. The relationship went through many changes but one thing that never changed was their sexual connection.



I tried to stay away this time.
But you called
And you made sure I heard your voice
U knew that would be enough
Not how many infractions
You just kill me
Every time
And I keep taking you back
I have come to terms with it
I am in partial addicted to you
The positives
If all you were is positive
Or your good facad that is in fact an act
I'm addicted to it
But it is ********
Yet I'm addicted to it
And you know it
And you know I will take you back
You always know
You know I'll get pissed but I'll take you back

--this knowledge was all she needed.

An apology (begging forgiveness he's spiritually commanded to grant)
a phone call (he phoned her June 3 speaking to her for an hour).

Travis was correct:

He was addicted
She knew he'd take her back into his bed and that's all she needed this time. She'd bed him then kill him.

Awh, Tex, just when I was feeling all warm and fuzzy about my partner in steak consumption!

"Exactly".....not. I'm not going to rehash the already overly extended back and forth about what TA was saying on May 26, much less the when and why of his use of that term "addicted."

We obviously (still) don't agree about much of this. I don't think he forgave her, I don't think he welcomed her, I don't think he wanted her there, I don't think he still felt "sexually connected" on June 4th, and IMO it is pretty clear that it wasn't very easy for her to get him into bed, and it is even more obvious that getting him into bed didn't mean getting him to trust her enough or let his guard down enough to even want to shave in front of her, much less to manipulate him from bed to shower, or from bed to anything more than watching him assemble a tile cleaner, forcing her later to ambush him a second time, while he was in the shower.

The "opening" I'm referring to is that whatever she said to him after he finally RETURNED her slew of calls and texts on the 2nd was sufficient for him not to call the cops when she ambushed him in his own house.

That, IMO, is the extent of what she achieved with the call. It was enough, sadly, but a far cry from acceptance or forgiveness, much less a free fall back into "addiction."

 

[FinallyRegistered]

Here's my version...
...
-Some time while Travis was sleeping (doesn't matter when she did the transfer under this scenario) : She transfers the sex photos with altered dates to T's camera. It really is a simple process. No cables necessary. She does need her laptop with the pre-June 4th nudes saved on it. She will also need a card reader which Travis would already own as he was using the memory card for his camera. ex) A photo taken on March xx, 2008 1:44 pm would be changed to June 4, 2008 1:44 pm. And that's the date Det Melendez got later on. When I did the experiment, my computer let me change the date, but not the time.

...

Even easier than a file transfer is for her to use his camera to take a picture of the screen of her laptop of the nudes. Which could also explain why Val1 is seeing darkened walls ... a picture taken of a laptop screen is going to have distorted coloring.

 

[pocketaccent]

Good work, sidestepping ALL the evidence presented at trial, AND all her lies.

But really....

Do you really find it impossible to believe that the determined sociopath couldn't have manipulated Travis just enough, one more time?

For all we know, she told him something on June 2 related to whatever she'd done to make him so angry on May 26, perhaps removed a threat she had made, maybe, for example, telling him she had found her cellphone with the sex tape on it, and had erased it.

Not enough to make him like her or trust her, but enough that he no longer felt threatened by her. And, reinforced by all the "peace" offerings she probably told him she'd mail, but then brought in person, items that were extremely important to him, including his handwritten book chapter, perhaps even his 2 journals that he had told her he considered his legacy, precious to him beyond words.

Admitting that she had these things would have been to give him the confession from her he had demanded, and more.

Again, not enough to make him forgive her or like her, but maybe enough that he felt he could let go of his hatred of her. And that , IMO, would have been all she needed to get in the door and to stay there long enough to manipulate him enough to be able to kill him.

From the beginning (2013) I thought the had a lot more time to clean up post murder. It led me to believe the camera time was either set incorrectly or never set.

Recently for a while, I did not completely reject the idea of sex on June 4th. I thought it was possible. Unlike sis geevee, I wavered between sex-no sex. Strangely enough, while I was reading your previous version (And I'm in awe of your writings and your compassion in this case), the near-4 hour gap began to bother me very much. I thought there's no way in hell Travis would hang with her for that long period of time and we were forced to acknowledge it because of the date and time stamps evidence presented at trial. Then the no sex belief crept back in since I don't believe the timeline. So I experimented with my own picture and camera to see if planting the sex photos with altered dates was possible. It was. I thought of the reason why she would plant those pictures...... I think I work backwards a lot.

Do I find it impossible to believe the manipulated Travis one more time?

In LaViolette style, No, with a qualifier.
It's a little teeny tiny bit possible, ESPECIALLY if she brought his journals.

But it's hard to give up my scenario because it takes care of the 4-hour gap and the not enough clean-up time post murder as well as Zach at home 3-4 pm.

 

[pocketaccent]

Even easier than a file transfer is for her to use his camera to take a picture of the screen of her laptop of the nudes. Which could also explain why Val1 is seeing darkened walls ... a picture taken of a laptop screen is going to have distorted coloring.

Wow, that might explain something else too.
Time lapse between her behind picture to Travis on his back looking sleepy and tired was only 50 seconds or so IIRC. Some thought that was very weird.
Not so weird if she was taking a picture of the screen. She didn't time them properly between picture taking.

 

[Niner]

I've been wondering "where" exactly Napoleon slept at night? Downstairs in some kind of dog bed, or with Travis upstairs in his bedroom? Anyone know?

snipped by me...
Any gaps between phone calls, IMO, she was getting a hamburger (5 min) throwing stuff in the dumpster (30 seconds), and getting the " business card" of a trucker (15 minutes).

What?? How did I miss this? Really? who told - the trucker??

And I don't like the smell of one gas can in my trunk, let alone three! Phewwww....

The fact that he refused to let her take photos of him shaving earlier in the day, and that she said at trial she didn't think Travis "had ever shaved that day "suggests to me that he waited to shave until before he showered, and that she wasn't in the bathroom yet when he did shave, which supports the scenario that she entered the bathroom later on, unexpected.

You and others have mentioned that he shaved before his shower. Was his shaving stuff on the bathroom counter when police dicovered his body? Don't recall... :thinking:

 

[TexMex]

Awh, Tex, just when I was feeling all warm and fuzzy about my partner in steak consumption!

"Exactly".....not. I'm not going to rehash the already overly extended back and forth about what TA was saying on May 26, much less the when and why of his use of that term "addicted."

We obviously (still) don't agree about much of this. I don't think he forgave her, I don't think he welcomed her, I don't think he wanted her there, I don't think he still felt "sexually connected" on June 4th, and IMO it is pretty clear that it wasn't very easy for her to get him into bed, and it is even more obvious that getting him into bed didn't mean getting him to trust her enough or let his guard down enough to even want to shave in front of her, much less to manipulate him from bed to shower, or from bed to anything more than watching him assemble a tile cleaner, forcing her later to ambush him a second time, while he was in the shower.

The "opening" I'm referring to is that whatever she said to him after he finally RETURNED her slew of calls and texts on the 2nd was sufficient for him not to call the cops when she ambushed him in his own house.

That, IMO, is the extent of what she achieved with the call. It was enough, sadly, but a far cry from acceptance or forgiveness, much less a free fall back into "addiction."

He may not have invited her there, though he could have been clued in via the phone contact in June that she "might drop by" on her "road trip".
Regardless, once she was there, they got in bed. She took pics of him. He took very graphic pictures of her. They had their KY, the braids he thought were hot.

He did shave and he did allow 9 minutes of shower pictures before she surprised him with a knife attack.
All of the pictures were verified by trained law enforcement and sworn to and admitted as evidence in a court of law.

Y'all give Jodi way too much credit. She was a password hacker, not a computer nor a camera specialist (she photographed two weddings)
At the same time, Travis would have been the first to admit he was not perfect. He sinned. He liked sex.

I'm not sure what purpose it serves to imagine him fending off her sexual advances or throwing her out...that demonstrably did not happen.

In his own words he describes how she knows that he will always take her back. She also knows that Mormons believe that it is a sin to hold a grudge against other men. In fact, the person who does not forgive someone has committed “the greater sin” compared to the original offense for which he is holding a grudge.

He also texted her that, again HIS words describing HIS feelings, he felt "addicted to you" and to "it".

After telling Taylor about this fight Taylor asked if he felt frightened. Travis reply was "no, Jodi is harmless"

JMO but ironically his momentary weakness or honesty if you will...sharing his feeling of "addiction to her/it" with a psychopath solidified her plan. She thinks about it. She steals the gun. Makes rental car arrangements. She knew (as he predicted) that he'd sleep with her if she showed up.

Why? Because he liked sex. Nothing wrong with that. He wasn't planning on romance. He hooked up with a consenting adult he already knew would let him do pretty much anything he wanted to do to her sexually. It had been said that she sexually was his kryptonite aka Achilles Heel. His friends and family have spoken about this as well.

It was a perfect storm. A nice, religious man whose Achilles Heel happened to be sex became involved and ,per Travis , addicted to a sexual relationship with a dangerous highly manipulative sociopath. Sociopaths use people's weaknesses against them. She knows he's forgiving. She knows he's going to allow her into his bed if she shows up with a bottle of KY.
So boom. She calls...HE calls back. The manipulation cycle begins again. She asks forgiveness and mentions she's going on a road trip and the rest is history.
JMO

 

[salberg7]

I wonder why he sat in the shower with his legs crossed. A person doesn't usually sit down that way. It's actually awkward to do. I am thinking that was the moment she went to stab him and the pic was taken at the same moment. I wonder from what height that picture was taken? Was she holding the camera at waist level? The possibility of her having the camera on a strap around her neck exists but his strap was in the camera box. The look on his face prior to the sitting pic is haunting. What was he seeing?
Her with a gun? A knife? I think a gun because she could have controlled him better using the gun instead of a knife which IMO he could have tried to hit her arm to make her drop it.
I just don't see a scenario where a person would sit down with legs crossed like his. Sitting down cross legged like I can see but it doesn't look like that. If I sat down crossed legs from a standing position I would lean against the shower wall, cross both and slide down. That's why that pic is suspicious to me. Something was going on with Travis, IMO, that frightened him badly and he lost his footing and ended up with his right leg over his left as shown.
That's why in my mind it is difficult at times to agree with Dr Horn's conclusion that the gunshot was last, even though as a nurse I totally agree with his finding that there was minimal blood along the bullet track on autopsy, as if Travis had no cardiac output this would indeed be the case. Unless Horn's autopsy was flawed due the amount of decomposition, else I have to believe the coroner.
It does appear she used the flash to get such a clear picture of his face and the buttock picture was pretty clear too. I have to look back and see the amount of time between those two pics (won't do it now as I may lose my post).
As far as the Harvard study, I am not impressed. They are anti death penalty.

 

[TexMex]

I wonder why he sat in the shower with his legs crossed. A person doesn't usually sit down that way. It's actually awkward to do. I am thinking that was the moment she went to stab him and the pic was taken at the same moment. I wonder from what height that picture was taken? Was she holding the camera at waist level? The possibility of her having the camera on a strap around her neck exists but his strap was in the camera box. The look on his face prior to the sitting pic is haunting. What was he seeing?
Her with a gun? A knife? I think a gun because she could have controlled him better using the gun instead of a knife which IMO he could have tried to hit her arm to make her drop it.
I just don't see a scenario where a person would sit down with legs crossed like his. Sitting down cross legged like I can see but it doesn't look like that. If I sat down crossed legs from a standing position I would lean against the shower wall, cross both and slide down. That's why that pic is suspicious to me. Something was going on with Travis, IMO, that frightened him badly and he lost his footing and ended up with his right leg over his left as shown.
That's why in my mind it is difficult at times to agree with Dr Horn's conclusion that the gunshot was last, even though as a nurse I totally agree with his finding that there was minimal blood along the bullet track on autopsy, as if Travis had no cardiac output this would indeed be the case. Unless Horn's autopsy was flawed due the amount of decomposition, else I have to believe the coroner.
It does appear she used the flash to get such a clear picture of his face and the buttock picture was pretty clear too. I have to look back and see the amount of time between those two pics (won't do it now as I may lose my post).
As far as the Harvard study, I am not impressed. They are anti death penalty.

Hi salberg7


At first I thought his legs were crossed. At the time of trial it seems like it was figured out that it's just his right leg in the pic. IMO his bicycling had toned up his calf muscle and we see where the right calf meets the right thigh as he sits with heels pretty close to his butt in the shower.

Anyway, here is the pic

 

[Hope4More]

He may not have invited her there, though he could have been clued in via the phone contact in June that she "might drop by" on her "road trip".
Regardless, once she was there, they got in bed. She took pics of him. He took very graphic pictures of her. They had their KY, the braids he thought were hot.

He did shave and he did allow 9 minutes of shower pictures before she surprised him with a knife attack.
All of the pictures were verified by trained law enforcement and sworn to and admitted as evidence in a court of law.

Y'all give Jodi way too much credit. She was a password hacker, not a computer nor a camera specialist (she photographed two weddings)
At the same time, Travis would have been the first to admit he was not perfect. He sinned. He liked sex.

I'm not sure what purpose it serves to imagine him fending off her sexual advances or throwing her out...that demonstrably did not happen.

In his own words he describes how she knows that he will always take her back. She also knows that Mormons believe that it is a sin to hold a grudge against other men. In fact, the person who does not forgive someone has committed “the greater sin” compared to the original offense for which he is holding a grudge.

He also texted her that, again HIS words describing HIS feelings, he felt "addicted to you" and to "it".

After telling Taylor about this fight Taylor asked if he felt frightened. Travis reply was "no, Jodi is harmless"

JMO but ironically his momentary weakness or honesty if you will...sharing his feeling of "addiction to her/it" with a psychopath solidified her plan. She thinks about it. She steals the gun. Makes rental car arrangements. She knew (as he predicted) that he'd sleep with her if she showed up.

Why? Because he liked sex. Nothing wrong with that. He wasn't planning on romance. He hooked up with a consenting adult he already knew would let him do pretty much anything he wanted to do to her sexually. It had been said that she sexually was his kryptonite aka Achilles Heel. His friends and family have spoken about this as well.

It was a perfect storm. A nice, religious man whose Achilles Heel happened to be sex became involved and ,per Travis , addicted to a sexual relationship with a dangerous highly manipulative sociopath. Sociopaths use people's weaknesses against them. She knows he's forgiving. She knows he's going to allow her into his bed if she shows up with a bottle of KY.
So boom. She calls...HE calls back. The manipulation cycle begins again. She asks forgiveness and mentions she's going on a road trip and the rest is history.
JMO

Tex- he didn't tell Taylor she was " harmless," and he told multiple other people, including his surrogate father, that he was scared of her and if he was found dead, it was the who did it. Was he scared enough of her? Obviously not. Could he imagine that she was capable of butchering him? Obviously not, but who could have believed that of her, or anyone else they had gone to church with?


He just didn't, IMO, "confess" an addiction to her on May 26. If she genuinely believed he was "addicted" to her, btw, why on earth would she feel rage enough to want to slaughter him? She would have continued with her schemes to eliminate competition from his GF's, one sickening act after another, IMO, just as she had been doing from September 2007 all the way up until mid-May 2008.

She knew he was in fact not only not addicted to her, but that he saw her clearly for who she was finally, and despised her enough to want her all the way out of his life. They spoke by phone after what we've read of their fight. He told Taylor that's when he banished her altogether, after she had set him up to make that call he had refused to make before she conned him into thinking she'd come clean. Instead, she threatened him with something else and continued to lie to him about her intrusions.

Even if one believes they had sex on the 4th, there is enough evidence to suggest he did not in fact jump into bed with her. There are many possibilities why he ended up having sex with her--if he did -- and none need have anything to do with being "addicted" to her or to having sex with her, IMO.

None of us know what Travis was feeling that day about her. IMO from the little we do know, though, he clearly wasn't feeling either trusting or "welcoming " of the . From that little bit we do know, we know, IMO, that TA was finally learning to trust his own feelings and instincts.

Too little, too late, but not so little as to go unrecognized.

Also, I don't think it's possible to give the enough "credit" for evil, vindictive maliciousness. She to this day hasn't satisfied her desire to destroy everything about Travis she can, including his family.

If I could think of a reason that made sense to me why she would transfer those photos on to TA's camera I would believe 100% that 's what she did, and that they never had sex that day.

 

[Hope4More]

This brought up a sick idea to me. Does anyone think that the "clean up" might have been a deliberate "non-cleanup"? Think of the mess she left undisturbed, like the blood spatter in the bathroom, on a sink where she could easily wash it out. I've always wondered about why she didn't wipe that area up post-slaughter, especially since one of her hairs could have fallen in while she was preening herself. She could have smeared the blood where she cut his throat, but aside from the wildebeest stampede she made while killing him, she left a pool of his blood.

I'm thinking she deliberately left signs of the magnitude of the slaughter, how protracted and torturous it was, how almighty victorious she was, while trying to remove evidence that might implicate her. To maximize his humiliation and exaggerate her gloating.

. That thought hadn't occurred to me, but there is no bottom to the depth of her depravity.....seems a not unlikely possibility.

(More a definite possibility, if one accepts sisters Pocket and Geevee's timeline, less so if one believes she was just racing to get out, there was blood EVERYWHERE, so maybe she was forced to prioritize. She missed her bloody palm print on the wall, after all, even though she took the time to wipe some of the hallway walls).

 

[TexMex]

Tex- he didn't tell Taylor she was " harmless," and he told multiple other people, including his surrogate father, that he was scared of her and if he was found dead, it was the who did it. Was he scared enough of her? Obviously not. Could he imagine that she was capable of butchering him? Obviously not, but who could have believed that of her, or anyone else they had gone to church with?


He just didn't, IMO, "confess" an addiction to her on May 26. If she genuinely believed he was "addicted" to her, btw, why on earth would she feel rage enough to want to slaughter him? She would have continued with her schemes to eliminate competition from his GF's, one sickening act after another, IMO, just as she had been doing from September 2007 all the way up until mid-May 2008.

She knew he was in fact not only not addicted to her, but that he saw her clearly for who she was finally, and despised her enough to want her all the way out of his life. They spoke by phone after what we've read of their fight. He told Taylor that's when he banished her altogether, after she had set him up to make that call he had refused to make before she conned him into thinking she'd come clean. Instead, she threatened him with something else and continued to lie to him about her intrusions.

Even if one believes they had sex on the 4th, there is enough evidence to suggest he did not in fact jump into bed with her. There are many possibilities why he ended up having sex with her--if be did -- and none need have anything to do with being "addicted" to her or to having sex with her, IMO.

None of us know what Travis was feeling that day about her. IMO from the little we do know, he clearly wasn't feeling either trusting or "welcoming " of the .

Also, I don't think it's possible to give the enough "credit" for evil, vindictive maliciousness. She to this day hadn't satisfied her desire to destroy everything about Travis she can, including his family.

If I could think of a reason that made sense to me why she would transfer those photos on to TA's camera I would believe 100% that 's what she did, and that they never had sex that day.

They had a chat where he tore her apart,” Searle recalled. “He called me and told to me what he had said to her. I said, ‘Aren’t you afraid she’s going to hurt you?’”

Alexander responded, “No. She’s crazy, but she’s harmless.”


He did say things about if found dead, look at Jodi. Then after saying them he trots around a tour of the southwest with her on a road trip to the OKC convention. Why? Addiction to the sex was too much to pass up.
He forgave her slashing his tires..twice. Why? "addiction to" her and to "it". He had a compulsion to be with her despite the negative consequences. This is why he was so relieved when she moved back to Yreka. 1,000 miles was enough distance. He did not love her. IMO he was never going to make a trip to see her there. However, once she's in the same room with him he figured why not? "She's crazy but she's harmless".

I guess I'm frustrated because it's my opinion that in the text he's angry..yes. Calls her names, yep. But he's also heartbroken and anguished and speaking HIS truth. He's perplexed, he's angry at himself and admitting that despite all her antics and drama...he's powerless to quit the relationship altogether. He chose to use the words "addicted to you." I take him at his word at a vulnerable moment when it's obvious he was examining his soul.


IMO we can understand how June 4 happened. Travis told us.

Yet I'm addicted to it
And you know it
And you know I will take you back
You always know
You know I'll get pissed but I'll take you back

She killed him because the game was over for her. She knew he'd never see her as good enough for anything other than sex and late night phone calls. The only way for her to move forward, in her psychopathic mind, was for him to die. Once she decided that she used his goodness...his religion and his weakness...his self described "addiction" against him in a textbook sociopathic manipulation .

I give her plenty of credit in vindictiveness. I do not give her credit for any sort of technological savvy beyond hacking of passwords and turning off her cell phone while in the state of Arizona.

He got mixed up with a manipulative sociopath. She used the best and the worst of him against him. I've seen it happen. I'm still dealing with my grandsons sociopathic mother. I'm in the line to pick up my buddy from school right now. He just started first grade. He had a visit with his mom last weekend. She's manipulating a six year old basically telling him if he has fun with his dad or me or our family it means he doesn't love her. I don't know how a six year old is supposed to process that. All I know is Pa is picking him up, taking him for ice cream and then we're going fishing. But these people are sick and dangerous. Jodi is exactly where she belongs.

 

[geevee]

Hi salberg7


At first I thought his legs were crossed. At the time of trial it seems like it was figured out that it's just his right leg in the pic. IMO his bicycling had toned up his calf muscle and we see where the right calf meets the right thigh as he sits with heels pretty close to his butt in the shower.

Anyway, here is the pic

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In this pic you can see that his feet are actually moving when the pic was snapped:

 

[geevee]

That doesn't explain imo how different the contrast is between the colour of the bedroom walls in the two pics of TA. As I marked in these, when you compare the walls to the closet door, in the first pic the walls are the same as in the crime pic of the bedroom, whereas in the second one they look like the same colour as the office walls. Argh, sure wish we had the originals/exifs et al.
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I see what you mean now, as soon as I get over this little dizzy spell I'm having I'll look through my pics more carefully. I don't recall in any of the texts I've read Travis mentioning any painting, but I guess they don't go farther back than late '07?

 

[Val1]

Wow, that might explain something else too.
Time lapse between her behind picture to Travis on his back looking sleepy and tired was only 50 seconds or so IIRC. Some thought that was very weird.
Not so weird if she was taking a picture of the screen. She didn't time them properly between picture taking.

That also brings up the question, was there ever any evidence of KY or Vaseline Lotion collected, either as residue or the bottles as shown in the nude pics?

Let's assume they were pics she'd already had on her laptop from previous covert missions/photo shoots(might not even have been TA that took her pics, ie.his *advertiser censored* comments... imagine her sending him pics of those nudes of her on his bed?!) and she was planting them on his camera in the office for whatever purpose, planting the virus, cds, new cheque, snooping his closets, trying to get into his safe, etc and got interrupted(by Zach coming home unexpectedly at 3) and had to hide/lay low until he left, only to have TA get up and start cleaning up, getting the floor cleaner ready to use, start his laundry, then as time was running out she finally heard TA start his shower, changed her mind about leaving the nudes on his camera(maybe she realized the dates would now show the current date and not the ones she had wanted to taunt TA with), deleted them and snuck up to his room, locked the doors and proceeded to take her new trophy pics(to be transferred off to her laptop) before he caught her in the act(re surprised look) and all hell broke loose as she was ready and determined to have the last word.

 

[RickshawFan]

What?? How did I miss this? Really? who told - the trucker??

And I don't like the smell of one gas can in my trunk, let alone three! Phewwww....



You and others have mentioned that he shaved before his shower. Was his shaving stuff on the bathroom counter when police dicovered his body? Don't recall... :thinking:

I made up the stuff about the trucker and the hamburger. While you were gone, we were following along on H4M's trip out west, and much speculating was a'happenin' as she drove along. So, my imagination had a context but no proof.

I can't imagine how Coolidge Dam security didn't smell the gas fumes.

It would have been like TA to clean up his shaving stuff before he got in the shower.

 

[Hope4More]

They had a chat where he tore her apart,” Searle recalled. “He called me and told to me what he had said to her. I said, ‘Aren’t you afraid she’s going to hurt you?’”

Alexander responded, “No. She’s crazy, but she’s harmless.”


He did say things about if found dead, look at Jodi. Then after saying them he trots around a tour of the southwest with her on a road trip to the OKC convention. Why? Addiction to the sex was too much to pass up.
He forgave her slashing his tires..twice. Why? "addiction to" her and to "it". He had a compulsion to be with her despite the negative consequences. This is why he was so relieved when she moved back to Yreka. 1,000 miles was enough distance. He did not love her. IMO he was never going to make a trip to see her there. However, once she's in the same room with him he figured why not? "She's crazy but she's harmless".

I guess I'm frustrated because it's my opinion that in the text he's angry..yes. Calls her names, yep. But he's also heartbroken and anguished and speaking HIS truth. He's perplexed, he's angry at himself and admitting that despite all her antics and drama...he's powerless to quit the relationship altogether. He chose to use the words "addicted to you." I take him at his word at a vulnerable moment when it's obvious he was examining his soul.


IMO we can understand how June 4 happened. Travis told us.

Yet I'm addicted to it
And you know it
And you know I will take you back
You always know
You know I'll get pissed but I'll take you back

She killed him because the game was over for her. She knew he'd never see her as good enough for anything other than sex and late night phone calls. The only way for her to move forward, in her psychopathic mind, was for him to die. Once she decided that she used his goodness...his religion and his weakness...his self described "addiction" against him in a textbook sociopathic manipulation .

I give her plenty of credit in vindictiveness. I do not give her credit for any sort of technological savvy beyond hacking of passwords and turning off her cell phone while in the state of Arizona.

He got mixed up with a manipulative sociopath. She used the best and the worst of him against him. I've seen it happen. I'm still dealing with my grandsons sociopathic mother. I'm in the line to pick up my buddy from school right now. He just started first grade. He had a visit with his mom last weekend. She's manipulating a six year old basically telling him if he has fun with his dad or me or our family it means he doesn't love her. I don't know how a six year old is supposed to process that. All I know is Pa is picking him up, taking him for ice cream and then we're going fishing. But these people are sick and dangerous. Jodi is exactly where she belongs.

I understand your frustration. You've taken the time and care to think through the evidence, and you've reached a conclusion you think is solid, and should be obvious enough to anyone who is unbiased....right?

The best part of WS group sleuthing, IMO, is the sharing of ideas and perspectives I know I could never come up with on my own, no matter the (blush) no doubt thousands of hours I've spent on this case over the years. I've described my thinking process as looking into a kaleidoscope and twirling the end until all the pieces fall into a different pattern, then twirling again after someone here convinces me to consider a perhaps, or a new little tidbit of info falls into our laps.

But yah, sometimes the conclusions reached are final enough that there isn't any twirling or budging, just a drawing of parallel lines in the sand that are never going to intersect. That CAN be frustrating. Thank goodness just about then, every time , a new something or a revised something gets tossed out, and the lines in the sand are left behind.

We all bring our own everything to the table, right down to glorious photos of cotton fields and chicken fried steak and Big Bob holding burgers in a field.

 

[RickshawFan]

If I could think of a reason that made sense to me why she would transfer those photos on to TA's camera I would believe 100% that 's what she did, and that they never had sex that day.

They could have had sex that day AND she could have transferred the photos to his camera.

 

[pocketaccent]

I understand your frustration. You've taken the time and care to think through the evidence, and you've reached a conclusion you think is solid, and should be obvious enough to anyone who is unbiased....right?

The best part of WS group sleuthing, IMO, is the sharing of ideas and perspectives I know I could never come up with on my own, no matter the (blush) no doubt thousands of hours I've spent on this case over the years. I've described my thinking process as looking into a kaleidoscope and twirling the end until all the pieces fall into a different pattern, then twirling again after someone here convinces me to consider a perhaps, or a new little tidbit of info falls into our laps.

But yah, sometimes the conclusions reached are final enough that there isn't any twirling or budging, just a drawing of parallel lines in the sand that are never going to intersect. That CAN be frustrating. Thank goodness just about then, every time , a new something or a revised something gets tossed out, and the lines in the sand are left behind.

We all bring our own everything to the table, right down to glorious photos of cotton fields and chicken fried steak and Big Bob holding burgers in a field.

:goodpost:

 

[pocketaccent]

I can't page up or down. I keep getting Shockwave Flash warning.

 

[Val1]

I can't page up or down. I keep getting Shockwave Flash warning.

Disable it? I often get that and find that disabling it usually doesn't cause much trouble unless you like watching video clips. I find stopping it helps stop many of the ads these kind of forums like to bury us in.