Shannan Gilbert's 23 Minute 911 Call

[Sleuth_Noob]

Not that I know of, although he actually went on the Her2-Community podcast, or whatever it’s called and was interviewed…I was kind of surprised he accepted the invitation to be interviewed on that podcast, considering it’s such a mess. If they would just stop playing the background music that plays through the ENTIRE podcast it would be a BIG improvement!

 

[Ruminations]

IMO, this call is very important. The fact that it has not been released speaks for itself.
Also, it could give some insight into her state of mind shortly before her demise. JMO

Exactly- and if the recording bolstered any victim-blaming theory (it’s the victim’s MH/substance use/greedy business practices) I wager the tape would have been out as soon as this case was more than a local crime story.

 

[Ruminations]

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[Sleuth_Noob]

Exactly- and if the recording bolstered any victim-blaming theory (it’s the victim’s MH/substance use/greedy business practices) I wager the tape would have been out as soon as this case was more than a local crime story.

Strangely though, retired Det. Dominic Varrone has gone on record talking about the tone of the 911 call, in which he describes SG’s demeanor as anxiety-fueled and at times incoherent…
His remarks about the call directly contradict SCPD’s original description about the call, where they released a statement saying SG was calm at all time. So at the time of that original SCPD statement release, Varrone was still the lead detective…
So what changed?

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

I believe that Varrone’s characterization of SG’s demeanor on 911 call as incoherent, anxiety-fueled, and possibly drug-fueled, is significant precisely because it contradicts SCPD’s original statement about SG’s demeanor on the 911 call (that she did not sound at all distressed, and that she was calm during the 911 call).
But just like everything else related to SCPD’s involvement in this case (SG), as well as possibly related LISK case, this makes absolutely no sense:
At the time of SCPD’s original statement release about the 911 call, Varrone was the lead detective in LISK investigation. He must have been consulted by the team working the SG case since the LISK investigation had really just started (while searching for SG body)…
But SCPD has claimed that the 911 call can’t be released because it’s part of an active investigation? Is that in relation to LISK, SG wrongful death civil suit against Hackett (or SCPD for that matter—both Dormer and Varrone have made claims that SG most likely succumbed to the elements as far as cause of death).
It’s all truly unbelievable…

 

[WINDSOR]

I believe that Varrone’s characterization of SG’s demeanor on 911 call as incoherent, anxiety-fueled, and possibly drug-fueled, is significant precisely because it contradicts SCPD’s original statement about SG’s demeanor on the 911 call (that she did not sound at all distressed, and that she was calm during the 911 call).
But just like everything else related to SCPD’s involvement in this case (SG), as well as possibly related LISK case, this makes absolutely no sense:
At the time of SCPD’s original statement release about the 911 call, Varrone was the lead detective in LISK investigation. He must have been consulted by the team working the SG case since the LISK investigation had really just started (while searching for SG body)…
But SCPD has claimed that the 911 call can’t be released because it’s part of an active investigation? Is that in relation to LISK, SG wrongful death civil suit against Hackett (or SCPD for that matter—both Dormer and Varrone have made claims that SG most likely succumbed to the elements as far as cause of death).
It’s all truly unbelievable…

The flip flop on the description of Shannan's tone and demeanor during the phone call is typical of the SCPD. Of course it is quite likely Shannan' tone changed during the 23 minute phone call. We all have had experiences where we start out speaking with a service provider, relatively cool and collected, then our frustration builds.
The point I am making in regard the SCPD is that in this case, the evidence is re-interpreted to fit the 'official' line.
I believe the 'official line' SCPD wanted the public to believe, was that Shannan was a drug crazed, mentally ill prostitute, who got in over her head and drowned accidently. No crime no foul.

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

Good point. So Varonne’s characterization of the call came when he was retired and no longer on SCPD. So he is basically also refuting the official SCPD line about the call, but falling in line w. cause of death?

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

…also backing that SG case is unrelated to LISK case?

 

[WINDSOR]

…also backing that SG case is unrelated to LISK case?

It is my opinion that Shannan's case may or may not be related to the LISK. The fact the two are related or not is really irrelevant at this time, as the SCPD has made no progress on either. Each should be investigated fully and if down the road, there is a connection that will become apparent.

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

And what about the FBI’s role in the investigation, in partnership w. SCPD? They’ve been involved now for a number of years…
Do you think it’s possible that SCPD has not shared everything that they know w. them, as it relates to the investigation? Or are they being kept at bay by forces within the SCPD and or DA’s office? Or are they also—for lack of a better term—accomplices to SCPD in intentionally dragging their feet by also ignoring direct tips and leads from specific individuals as well as from the general public? The FBI, it seems to me, have been complicit w. SCPD in relation to their role in this investigative partnership.

 

[Soursara]

I posted this on another thread but feel it might be relevant here too. I have been following since the beginning. I was listening to the unresolved podcast and during it they say not only did Hackett make the phone calls to mari Gilbert he travelled to New Jersey to make the phone call!! Has anyone else heard this. How is that not hook line and sinker?! This is before or the same day as when AD went to oak beach. HOW did he know she was missing? HOW did he get maris phone number and know what town in Jersey she lived in if he didn’t have any contact with Shannon?? If that is the case how is he cleared as a POI. If that’s the case it’s time to start demanding more answers as to how he was cleared so quickly.

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

I posted this on another thread but feel it might be relevant here too. I have been following since the beginning. I was listening to the unresolved podcast and during it they say not only did Hackett make the phone calls to mari Gilbert he travelled to New Jersey to make the phone call!! Has anyone else heard this. How is that not hook line and sinker?! This is before or the same day as when AD went to oak beach. HOW did he know she was missing? HOW did he get maris phone number and know what town in Jersey she lived in if he didn’t have any contact with Shannon?? If that is the case how is he cleared as a POI. If that’s the case it’s time to start demanding more answers as to how he was cleared so quickly.

The most likely scenario is that Hackett administered some type of medication to SG in an attempt to ‘help’. He probably got Mari Gilbert’s number directly from SG at time of administration from SG (i.e. emergency contact). Pak was either present, or arrived during/after administration, and Hackett helps Pak escort her to Pak’s SUV where Pak and SG leave in Pak’s vehicle.

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

…SG has some type of reaction to the medication and either goes into cardiac arrest in Pak’s vehicle while leaving Oak Beach, in which case Pak dumps her body on the way out, taking her belongings, or Pak contacts Hackett (maybe even returns to Hackett’s) after SG has reaction, she dies on the way back to Hackett’s, and Hackett conspires w. Pak to cover up what just occurrd, and helps Pak dispose of body just outside of Oak Beach (Pak takes her belongings which he later returns to the general vicinity, at later date).

 

[Soursara]

Yes I agree for the most part sleuth but that still doesn’t explain why Hackett drove to jersey to call mari. In unresolved it says he went to a town in Jersey close to where Mari lives. I though Mari lived in upstate NY. Maybe he meant where Shannon lived? Because then possibly Hackett was trying to start a trail in Jersey to make everyone think she did leave with Pak and made it back to Jersey. MOO Ofcourse. My mind just spins with possibilities

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

Yes I agree for the most part sleuth but that still doesn’t explain why Hackett drove to jersey to call mari. In unresolved it says he went to a town in Jersey close to where Mari lives. I though Mari lived in upstate NY. Maybe he meant where Shannon lived? Because then possibly Hackett was trying to start a trail in Jersey to make everyone think she did leave with Pak and made it back to Jersey. MOO Ofcourse. My mind just spins with possibilities

Well let’s go the route that Hackett interjected himself into this while affair with the intention of trying to ‘help’ SG by administering some type of medication; at the time he obtains emergency contact info of family (phone number and address, or partial vicinity address ‘my mother lives in weehawken, nj’ etc.) and administers something. Maybe he says something like “when you are safely home I’d like you to call me”. SG leaves w. Pak in Pak’s vehicle. When Hackett doesn’t hear from SG, maybe he tries to call SG directly on her cell (which is now in possession of Pak); maybe he tries to call Pak directly…
Out of concern for SG—and growing concern about liability—he drives to Jersey w. original intent of following up to make sure that SG is o.k., (and to play the role of hero). After being unable to reach SG (or Pak—maybe), he calls SG’s mother Mari.

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

Or maybe SG left without her phone (accidentally forgot) when she and Pak left Hackett’s, and the phone stayed in Hackett’s possession until at some point he gets rid of it near, but not on his property…
Who knows? Hopefully John Ray can prove what happened to her, in relation to civil suit.

 

[WINDSOR]

…SG has some type of reaction to the medication and either goes into cardiac arrest in Pak’s vehicle while leaving Oak Beach, in which case Pak dumps her body on the way out, taking her belongings, or Pak contacts Hackett (maybe even returns to Hackett’s) after SG has reaction, she dies on the way back to Hackett’s, and Hackett conspires w. Pak to cover up what just occurrd, and helps Pak dispose of body just outside of Oak Beach (Pak takes her belongings which he later returns to the general vicinity, at later date).

If Hackett had administered some sort of medication to Shannan, would the autopsy pick that up in the tocology tests?
The question is what is the half life of common medications MD's administer when the patient is showing sign of stress and anxiety. I know certain poisons still show markers years after death, I just don't know about medications that may be given to Shannan.

 

[Bose]

If Hackett had administered some sort of medication to Shannan, would the autopsy pick that up in the tocology tests?
The question is what is the half life of common medications MD's administer when the patient is showing sign of stress and anxiety. I know certain poisons still show markers years after death, I just don't know about medications that may be given to Shannan.

It would be great if there was a toxicology report, I don't know if there was one with autopsy/autopsies, does anyone know(?) I know John Ray said she was in a state of decomposition when found, but do we even know how badly...and if they were able to screen for anything left(?)

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

It would be great if there was a toxicology report, I don't know if there was one with autopsy/autopsies, does anyone know(?) I know John Ray said she was in a state of decomposition when found, but do we even know how badly...and if they were able to screen for anything left(?)

I believe that the toxicology report would show anything in her system w. exception of her last 12-24 hrs.

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

Her hyoid bone being partially damaged implis strangulation.