SIDEBAR #7- Arias/Alexander forum

[RR0004]

Thats quite a generalization there... Considering I'm older and would give her the DP in a heart beat. I'm truly disgusted to think there are people who assume they can profile others based on gender etc..pure poppycock...

Hey, I'm a woman who has passed the half-century mark and supposedly I can't relate to sex talk and texting. LOL

 

[polleypockets]

What ever happened with regards to UHaul? I thought they were trying to get UHaul to accept responsibility for the car. Did that get settled or did they settle with JA and TA found out? I don't remember what the outcome was, does anyone know?

iirc TA was trying to help JA by getting uhaul to pay, idk f it was ever resolved b4 6/4, but i have heard from a few TA friends in interviews that TA actually never cashed any of JA's checks - which is why i bet she asked when she was arrested if the were gonna cash the check - thats why imo i don't think what ever TA was so upset about in that email has anything to do w/ money, idk but TA appears that money and possesions weren't that important to him - imo - which makes me think what ever she did to cause that anger was way worse than jodi scamming money

 

[TXProfessional]

i know that this case was in the news prior to jury selection, hard for anyone to say they had no knowledge of it. But, if this person said that regardless of what he heard/read he could still remain impartial, clearly that wasn't the truth. Saying someone had been crucified definitely shows bias. I know that this phase is over, but IMHO, this person has earned himself a conversation with LE.

RR, couldn't agree more!!!! I consider the job of being a juror as sacred and imperative, after all a persons FREEDOM and perhaps their life is at stake. So, to me there should be swift and severe consequences for violating that sacred oath.

 

[RR0004]

Because JM has to pick a new jury real soon. Apparently older men are disposed to feel sorry for JA. I've said before, most trial experts will tell you that cases are usually won or lost during jury selection.

Ok...so the new court date is July 18th. Will they have already selected a jury by then? Or is that when they are to begin the selection process all over again?

 

[DebinGA]

I don't have the exact snippet from him, RR, but it was something to the effect of (paraphrasing)- "Juan Martinez is relentless and I don't like being talked to like I'm stupid, which I think happened a few times during proceedings."

My :twocents: is that in Mr. Foreman's mind it was Alpha Dog meets Alpha Dog and once that gauntlet was thrown, it became some odd war of attrition to him. His interviews were strange, like he was gleaning satisfaction out of being a deliberate contrarian to the State's sentencing position.

I think Mr. Foreman envisions himself as a champion of the weak and oppressed. He probably took JM calling ALV a liar and asking RS to read the definition of "compassion" as personal affronts that he, SuperJuror, would soon set right.

 

[gauntlet]

I don't have the exact snippet from him, RR, but it was something to the effect of (paraphrasing)- "Juan Martinez is relentless and I don't like being talked to like I'm stupid, which I think happened a few times during proceedings."

My :twocents: is that in Mr. Foreman's mind it was Alpha Dog meets Alpha Dog and once that gauntlet was thrown, it became some odd war of attrition to him. His interviews were strange, like he was gleaning satisfaction out of being a deliberate contrarian to the State's sentencing position.

Hey! That's abuse!

 

[bettybaby00]

Was this witness on the expert list?

Juan had her on his rebuttal list....of course in chambers meeting ensued, and Ta Da....Juan never called her. Gotta assume whatever BS argument the DT threw at the wall stuck

 

[21merc7]

Jurors do not take intelligence or aptitude tests. They simply have to have a driver's license now. You don't even have to sign up to vote.

Everyone goes in there with their own mind, their own experiences. Even with that, some cannot separate facts logically. Some do not even think logically. Logic is not a given, it is earned. Anyone can be a juror. We cannot blame for their inability to process, or inability to separate logical facts from their own issues. It is the way this system works. You can draw a jury that is good for you if you are facing jail, or what that is not. It is the luck of the draw.

It is like going to a bar and expecting to meet your next mate. You may meet a completely crazy killer, or you may meet someone you actually share something intellectually mutual with that you will know for years, or you may meet a dud that is a one night stand and you never see each other again. You never know.

The questions asked of them are not deep enough for today. How many times do I have to point out that old standards are not working, like the new found lengthy trials never return DP. There is no way to know, even for the seasoned DP attorneys for both sides. Words have shifted meaning, lives are not on the same standard, most see it a burden to be a juror not a privilege or duty. There is more, but I will stop.

 

[aa9511]

He just knew, RR! Just like he knew that CKJA was totally normal before bumping into Travis. :floorlaugh:

Yes, and I wonder WHY did they make a "deal" that they wouldn't release the names of the 4 who didn't vote for death - how did they know that would be "against' Public opinion???

 

[gauntlet]

Ok...so the new court date is July 18th. Will they have already selected a jury by then? Or is that when they are to begin the selection process all over again?

There's a status conference on June 20

6/20/2013 8:30 Status Conference


http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CriminalCourtCases/caseInfo.asp

 

[Breezy1]

RR, couldn't agree more!!!! I consider the job of being a juror as sacred and imperative, after all a persons FREEDOM and perhaps their life is at stake. So, to me there should be swift and severe consequences for violating that sacred oath.

I had never heard of Jodi Arias until she took the stand. Or the back story. I was on one of my weird news pages, and the title was "Jodi Arias takes stand, Nancy Grace Unbearable" or something.. I tuned in, and never heard a word of the prosecutions case. I didn't google anything until Cross began because then I became highly confused about facts. But even as someone with no opinion of TA, JA or any of the facts she was contradicting herself in her own testimony and made no sense. I didn't believe her before Juan destroyed her. That's why I'm baffled by the this guys interviews.. She was creepy to me the moment she opened her mouth.

 

[aa9511]

I think Mr. Foreman envisions himself as a champion of the weak and oppressed. He probably took JM calling ALV a liar and asking RS to read the definition of "compassion" as personal affronts that he, SuperJuror, would soon set right.

BBM

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: SuperJuror to the Rescue!!!!!

 

[bettybaby00]

Didn't that have to do with the 3 gas transactions...the reason why she had to finally go inside to pay for the last one? The multiple transactions triggered an alert of some kind, IMO. It could have been from the cc company or the gas company. Again, JMO.

I'm pretty sure no. That was the tessoro (sp?) lady from the accounting dept of the gas station co. She proved that Jodi bought roughly 3 gas cans worth of gas.

The witness I'm speaking of ( cant recall her name but I want to say Suzanne something?) was an exec @chase bank, and ran the FRAUD dept.

 

[mck16]

ITA with the first part of your statement (And the rest, but jumping off the initial part )

I posted previously that IMO JA would kill again if "need" be. And I don't think it would take much...why else would have she been armed the way she was when she was arrested. Also, if Travis had somehow managed to truly be free of her, she would have killed eventually. Her complete lack of remorse, along with her implied references of "i'd kill if i had to" prove this IMO.

And also how well it was all hidden. I wonder why that didn't come in during trial? ty

 

[aa9511]

I had never heard of Jodi Arias until she took the stand. Or the back story. I was on one of my weird news pages, and the title was "Jodi Arias takes stand, Nancy Grace Unbearable" or something.. I tuned in, and never heard a word of the prosecutions case. I didn't google anything until Cross began because then I became highly confused about facts. But even as someone with no opinion of TA, JA or any of the facts she was contradicting herself in her own testimony and made no sense. I didn't believe her before Juan destroyed her. That's why I'm baffled by the this guys interviews.. She was creepy to me the moment she opened her mouth.

Well, you know, this guy, he has an answer=EXCUSE for everything (using Juan-speak here). You see, he said OF COURSE SHE WOULD LIE TO COVER HER TRACKS....I DIDNT SEE HER LYING AS THAT STRANGE CONSIDERING WHAT SHE DID. (paraphrasing).

Well, Mr. SuperJuror, to quote DebinGA, THEN WHY DID SHE CONTINUE TO LIE AND LIE AND LIE AND IS STILL LYING TO THIS DAY 5 YEARS LATER???

He didn't even see her lying as a problem so what was Juan to do with someone like that??

 

[Karmady]

Juan had her on his rebuttal list....of course in chambers meeting ensued, and Ta Da....Juan never called her. Gotta assume whatever BS argument the DT threw at the wall stuck

Thanks. I was wondering whether she was to be called as an expert or just as a lay rebuttal witness. I thought that maybe she was just a lay witness and that she was known to currently work as a fraud specialist at a bank based on google searches once her name was found out. If the former, I'd agree that it would probably have been significant. If the latter, she could just be someone with knowledge about the case who just happens to have that job.

Do you remember her name? I've seen all the rebuttal lists but the very last one. Is that the one she was on?

 

[TigerBalm]

I'm pretty sure no. That was the tessoro (sp?) lady from the accounting dept of the gas station co. She proved that Jodi bought roughly 3 gas cans worth of gas.

The witness I'm speaking of ( cant recall her name but I want to say Suzanne something?) was an exec @chase bank, and ran the FRAUD dept.

The witness from Tesoro was Chelsey Young, IT Manager

 

[RR0004]

There's a status conference on June 20

6/20/2013 8:30 Status Conference


http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CriminalCourtCases/caseInfo.asp

But what will that address exactly? It's usually (and I may be wrong about this) to make sure everyone's on the same page...things are getting done...when they expect things will get done, yada yada yada. So when will jury questionnaires go out? Anyone know?

 

[iSleuth]

Thats quite a generalization there... Considering I'm older and would give her the DP in a heart beat. I'm truly disgusted to think there are people who assume they can profile others based on gender etc..pure poppycock...

This is why CMja did over-kill victim Travis Alexander -3 horrific ways...and also why she stated " no jury will convict me".

Because "no one" would ever think a girl could do such a thing,or that an evil succubus as she existed, who could do such a thing.

And if not for that camera ( the "ghost" in the machine) ( spirit ) ( whatever) Can you imagine? She might have gotten away with it?

 

[Just Sailing Thru]

All theories are plausible, including this one. The worthless point for the prosecution during trial is that no one could tell the jurors what the argument was about. That part was on the prosecution to find out, and they did not give any reason, so I can see jurors not knowing all that we do, seeing that as an abusive man.

Guess the ones that thought that now know differently, but still, even we do not know why the argument email.

If I remember correctly, a lot of " evidence" was not allowed as " too prejudicial," and since this was a DP case was extra" scrutinized..I am waiting for all " sealed" and closed door hearings to be open, including that August hearing where MM was interviewed ( JM alluded to it) , and poof no MM by either DT or PT. I suspect there is some info out there that we will be satisfied when we hear it..Like the whole story behind the magazine " codes", JA stalking behaviors, and maybe even the 18 page letter to TA's GM as well as the entire HUghes e mail...JMO