Terri: Waved Goodbye at 8:45/Left School at 9:00 -- Significance

[froginTtown]

I'm beginning to wonder if the reason LE is asking if anyone seen that truck so far from the store is because it did not show up on the parking lot surveliance tape. and that would be the only place she could have parked that is a "blind spot" to the camera..

 

[Jade2010]

Remember there are those photos, reenactments, of where Terri was parked at Fred Myers? Was that at both locations or just one?? I forget. Thanks!

ETA: frog, I didn't see yours before asking my question.

 

[froginTtown]

:croc:
I think this was a set up to look like something it wasn't by someone it wasn't to keep someone who isn't out of jail. That someone wanted someone else to go to cause they look alike and will be intentionally confusing to people who witness it
...jus like my post.:crazy:

:floorlaugh: I had to reread that twice before I understood it...:floorlaugh:

 

[Jo in Calif]

My theory is that Terry left that school, with Kyron, about 8:50, after the children were in their classes, hence no one saw her leave with Kyron. Drove to the first FM went straight to the Starbuck's, that's in the front of the store, purchased something, got her timed stamped receipt, never even looked for med's. IMO, LE, I assume have her on surveillance. Headed to the 2nd FM, nothing has been mentioned about a time stamped receipt, from the 2nd FM, but we have a witness that puts her there between 9:00 and 10:00. I would also think that LE also has surveillance from that store and knows what time she left. IMO, LE is not questioning that she was at both FM's, but the reason that she was at the two stores.

 

[gitana1]

PORTLAND, Ore. -- KGW has learned that investigators are trying to determine the identity of a person who was seen sitting in the truck Terri Horman was driving the day Kyron Horman disappeared **snip**

According to several sources in the Skyline community, including people who have spoken with investigators, the person was seen by at least two witnesses while Terri was in the school with Kyron. **snip**

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/2nd-person-seen-in-Terri-Hormans-truck-100301534.html

So which is it? Was Terri the last person to see Kyron? OR - did she have someone in the truck? In my opinion, it can't be both. moo

I think it could make sense. From what they can tell, TH's statements show she was the last to see Kyron at the school and no one saw them walk to the truck and get in with the second person. So the last person to admit to seeing Kyron that day was TH.

 

[eyes4crime]

Above BBM..

I, personally never have thought anything of the sort..
I recall seeing a post where this ONCE was mentioned but by far and wide I believe the majority do not believe this specific description of events to be anything that happened that morning.. JMO

I don't believe it either.

There are two witnesses saying they saw someone sitting in Terri's truck in Skyline parking lot. Investigators are looking for more witnesses.

There is a receipt from the 1st FM and an interview/video with a person she came across in the 2nd FM.

There are tons of people saying that Terri was the last person to see Kyron...so I'm thinking all three versions can't be so, which one is it?

MOO MHO

ETA: What do people think she did with Kyron while driving either to FM or to dispose of him? Did she drive with a body in her car? moo

 

[froginTtown]

I think he sat in the back seat of the truck... The windows are tinted and he is small.. I also thinkshe met her accomplice at FM, who got her time stamped reciept and passed him on... but that just my opinion....

 

[SmoothOperator]

I don't believe it either.

There are two witnesses saying they saw someone sitting in Terri's truck in Skyline parking lot. Investigators are looking for more witnesses.

There is a receipt from the 1st FM and an interview/video with a person she came across in the 2nd FM.

There are tons of people saying that Terri was the last person to see Kyron...so I'm thinking all three versions can't be so, which one is it?

MOO MHO

ETA: What do people think she did with Kyron while driving either to FM or to dispose of him? Did she drive with a body in her car? moo

I do have a theory for this, eyes. But due to the fact I am in line at school picking up son, I refuse to add to the mountain of tickets I am already known to have by violating the new law of no texting while driving. Lol. ..(which I do agree is most dangerous).. So a little later I'll give my very amateur sleuthers theory.
Until then safe driving to all and I am trying my darnedest to be a "recovering" lead foot driver. Lol




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[Openmyeyes]

I am still finding it hard to swallow that not ONLY was Terri the last KNOWN person to see Kyron, she also dropped him off in a hallway with no adult supervision. She stated in an email that Kyron was suffering mini-seizures and sometimes zoned out & forgot where he was, he would walk into a room and then back right out of it...who in their right mind would leave their kid in a hallway and NOT under the care of a teacher under those circumstances?? This is just mind-blowing to me.

Thanks for bringing this up. As someone that has had those moments, it is a very frightening experience as an adult, so I can't imagine what it would be like for a child. These things came on me with little or no warning, and were so scarey that I gave up driving (on my own) for almost 3 months. When they were at their peak, my husband even took off of work, so how anyone could let a child go thru this unattended is odd. I immediately went to the doctor after I had a couple, and my doctor had me going to specialists and they had me doing tests. I ended up going to the ER after they progressed to paralysis of one side (it cleared up within 10 minutes), and they told me what was really wrong with me (this all occured in May of this year), after surgery in June, I have not had one symptom of the mini-seizures. So I don't understand how anyone would not be alarmed, especially when it comes to the health and well-being of a child.

I wonder if LE is holding back information that TH had discussed this with the school, her teacher or the school nurse. If not, then Teri had to be bs-ing on Facebook and doing a major CYA act.

 

[seeking truth]

Kyron disappeared on the morning of 6/4... How can anyone say with certanty just WHO the last person was to see him ? Since he has never been found ??? IMO, it would be accurate to think that the person who took Kyron was the last person to see him...

All JMO

BBM.

I agree with your words that I bolded. Remember the day the first flyer came out? LE are the ones who stated that Terri Horman was the last person to see Kyron. One televised report had an LE spokesman state that Terri was the last person to see Kyron ALIVE. That was immediately buried and not repeated by LE...the "alive" portion of the statement.

For whatever reason, whether it be the truth as they knew/know it or some kind of tactic they were employing, it was announced in that law enforcement press conference that it was Terri Horman who last saw Kyron.

My thoughts and opinions about this.

 

[cypress]

IMHO, the times she gave were estimations. It'd be weirder if she said she left Kyron at 8:47 and was in her truck and on her way to FM by 8:52. Then the cry would be, "Who looks at their watch like that?! She was obviously looking at the clock as a way to establish her alibi!!"

The times are reasonable given what we know about her day, IMHO.

 

[gitana1]

I don't believe it either.

There are two witnesses saying they saw someone sitting in Terri's truck in Skyline parking lot. Investigators are looking for more witnesses.

There is a receipt from the 1st FM and an interview/video with a person she came across in the 2nd FM.

There are tons of people saying that Terri was the last person to see Kyron...so I'm thinking all three versions can't be so, which one is it?

MOO MHO

ETA: What do people think she did with Kyron while driving either to FM or to dispose of him? Did she drive with a body in her car? moo

I think there is no way Th killed Kyron before they left the school. Makes no sense. I think, if he is dead, he was killed after she did her "errands" when she driving around aimlessly.

 

[loves2bmom]

This is when her crazy driving record sheds some light on the confusion - she jumped in the truck, didn't take the time to put on her seat belt, drove 90 mph, did not slow down for stop signs... and that's how she got there so quickly.

eta: oh, and violated Oregon's famously vague and mysterious 'basic rule' of driving...

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[loves2bmom]

I'm beginning to wonder if the reason LE is asking if anyone seen that truck so far from the store is because it did not show up on the parking lot surveliance tape. and that would be the only place she could have parked that is a "blind spot" to the camera..

I am not certain but would make an assumption...yeah I know what that makes me...LOL...but if FM has surveillance, wouldn't they be sure it covered the entire parking lot? I just can't imagine there would be huge blind spots. But maybe??

 

[Leila]

I didn't realize the importance, on June 5, of the difference between 8:45 and 9:00. Do you think on the day Terri wrote in that emai that she left the school at 9:00 she realized that someone had seen Kyron (and her?) at 9:00? Did she think that everyone would have seen him last at 8:45?

Information on June 5:
"The stepmother said she last saw Kyron at about 8:45 a.m. walking down the hallway toward his classroom, according to a sheriff's office news release. " http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...rtland_bo.html

Also from BeanE's notes on the June 5 presser:
- School staff report not seeing him after 8:45 AM and that he did not make it to his classroom.

Another June 5 article: At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...the_day_k.html
(Note that the bell rang at 8:45)

But --

June 5 email from Terri: "I left the school at 9 . . ." http://www.komonews.com/news/local/100415079.html

We now know from the June 7 PC: " . . . the last point at which Kyron was seen was about 9:00 a.m." " . . . the last point was down at the south entrance door of the school." http://www.king5.com/video?id=95822614&sec=549132

And from the June 18 PC: "Terri is the last known person to have seen Kyron before he disappeared." and "she was the last person to see Kyron."

I think someone did see Terri with Kyron as she was leaving with him at 9:00!

Thanks for the case review thread, BeanE! I, for some reason, had never put that all together until we went back to what was known and being said on June 5!

Good deduction! It makes sense that with the bell ringing at 8:45am, the students would proceed to their classrooms. The only students that would see Kyron after the bell rang are the students in his class - IF he had also proceeded to his classroom. He didn't proceed to his classroom, and was last seen at the south entrance door.

But in reading the various quotes................Terri admits that she left the school at 9:00am, and another report states that Kyron was last seen at 9:00am, and Terri was the last person to see him before he disappeared.

Kyron was last seen at 9:00am and Terri was the last one to see him at 9:00am...................because she was with him!

I absolutely agree...............someone saw Kyron leave with Terri. I think this is one reason why LE is looking at this as a parental abduction rather than a stranger abduction.

 

[loves2bmom]

I am still finding it hard to swallow that not ONLY was Terri the last KNOWN person to see Kyron, she also dropped him off in a hallway with no adult supervision. She stated in an email that Kyron was suffering mini-seizures and sometimes zoned out & forgot where he was, he would walk into a room and then back right out of it...who in their right mind would leave their kid in a hallway and NOT under the care of a teacher under those circumstances?? This is just mind-blowing to me.

She couldn't have been too worried about it since she was allowing him to continue to ride the bus.

 

[seeking truth]

Or maybe the teacher saw his backpack and jacket on the chair or remembered seeing it, thus using logic that he had to be at school somewhere - most likely going to the bathroom or getting a drink of water? I think she was being truthful because the left backpack and jacket. All TH had to do was tell him to leave those items there, that he'd be back later. And then the teacher sees those items, and assumes that he's in the school somewhere. It's a very easy setup to confuse the teacher. And it worked.

Terri appears to have done a lot of planning, something I wasn't so convinced of in the beginning. Not necessarily smart planning and definitely planning of a corrupt nature, but planning nonetheless. Her awareness of her crime shines through as she has continued to try and keep her version of what happened that day going, after the fact, through emails, conversations, facebook, and who know what other means.

But, like most chronic liars, she has tripped herself up many times, and that is just what WE have been allowed to see. The fact that she brought up the backpack and jacket being left behind to the friend she emailed on June 5, plus the new time of leaving at 9:00am rather than 8:45am on June 4. TO ME just points out the lies that Terri is trying desperately to make people believe, the lengths she is going to in order to try and correct her mistakes.

Unfortunately for her (and hopefully, fortunately for the cause of justice for Kyron) she just said and did too much, she talked to too many people and told too many differing stories, so that now, what she may have believed were great alibis are coming back to haunt her...namely, for this discussion; the receipt from FM for 9:12 am.

Just my opinions.

 

[human]

It seems to me that the only VERIFIED time we have is the 9:12 a.m. checkout on the FM receipt. My own feeling is that the 9;00 time was estimated. I think she probably left Skyline sooner. Makes sense in that she left Kyron at around 8:45... MOO

All JMO

a loud buzzer rings or a bell. She would know that it is 8:45.

 

[Leila]

Terri can't have last seen Kyron at 8:45 and also be the last person to see him at 9:00.

This is true, and I think that by reading between the lines, we can see why LE has zeroed in on TH. She may have waved goodbye to Kyron at 8:45am, but she was the last person to see him at 9:00am.

 

[seeking truth]

PORTLAND, Ore. -- KGW has learned that investigators are trying to determine the identity of a person who was seen sitting in the truck Terri Horman was driving the day Kyron Horman disappeared **snip**

According to several sources in the Skyline community, including people who have spoken with investigators, the person was seen by at least two witnesses while Terri was in the school with Kyron. **snip**

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/2nd-person-seen-in-Terri-Hormans-truck-100301534.html

So which is it? Was Terri the last person to see Kyron? OR - did she have someone in the truck? In my opinion, it can't be both. moo

This news about the second person came after the press conference where it was announced that Terri was the last person to have seen Kyron. It really can be both, since Terri is the one who is caught lying, who is the center of this investigation. I think we're able to amend the original LE statement to include new information; to be that Kyron was last seen by Terri...and whoever was with her.

The way I see it, IF there was another person in the truck waiting (and it sounds like there was) the investigation is still centered on Terri Horman, the woman entrusted with the care of her step-son that morning, the focus of the investigation.

My OPINIONS and thoughts on this.