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es, that's right. Some people kill unintentionally and try and cover it up. But it makes it very hard to then go back and argue manslaughter if your first defence is that you didn't do it in the first place. It's like when some people accused of rape say oh no, I don't even know her, but then when DNA evidence proves that sexual intercourse took place, they change their story and say, oh no that's right, I did have sex with her but she consented!

Yes, I agree, but GBC is not arguing manslaughter after saying he didn't do it initially(he's still pleading not guilty). Im looking at the jury deciding manslaughter or Murder based on the evidence. In which case, cleaning up and covering up after the fact doesn't mean intention to kill in the first place. Though to you and I it probably does given everything in this case. JMO.
 
Yeah, I can't imagine there will not be an appeal if there is a conviction.
Knowing how the clays appear to play the law, and play people, they will appeal. I get the impression the whole show is like a game to them.
 
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Here you go, take what you want!

I personally have found that my chill pills (yes that's actually what my friends call my Ativan lol) go perfectly with a cup of hot chicory coffee. I can't lie, I feel a little blissful just thinking about it.
 
[/QUOTE=sheldor]Yes, that's right. Some people kill unintentionally and try and cover it up. But it makes it very hard to then go back and argue manslaughter if your first defence is that you didn't do it in the first place. It's like when some people accused of rape say oh no, I don't even know her, but then when DNA evidence proves that sexual intercourse took place, they change their story and say, oh no that's right, I did have sex with her but she consented!

Yes, I agree, but GBC is not arguing manslaughter after saying he didn't do it initially. Im looking at the jury deciding manslaughter or Murder based on the evidence. In which case, cleaning up and covering up after the fact doesn't mean intention to kill in the first place. Though to you and I it probably does. JMO.[/QUOTE]

Oh right, I get you now :)
 
Knowing how the clays appear to play the law, and play people, they will appeal. I get the impression the whole show is like a game to them.

but don't must convicted murders appeal its their last hope
 
Going for a weekend trip away starting today so hoping for a guilty verdict whilst on our travels make the trip more exciting :)


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IT is day 19 of the trial of former Brookfield real estate agent Gerard Baden-Clay, 43, who stands accused of murdering his wife Allison Baden-Clay, 43, on April 19, 2012.

Baden-Clay has pleaded not guilty in the Supreme Court in Brisbane.

A jury of seven men and five women yesterday retired to consider a verdict at 11.10am.

It deliberated for five hours before returning to the jury room again today at 9.30am.

Justice John Byrne asked the jury to re-enter the court room at 10.10am.

In response to a note from the jury, Justice Byrne took them through sections of his summing up.

The jury speaker said he was not able to identify the passage the jury wanted more information on, instead referring a question from Justice Byrne to another panel member.
Courtroom sketch of Gerard Baden-Clay. Illustration: Brett Lethbridge

Courtroom sketch of Gerard Baden-Clay. Illustration: Brett Lethbridge

The juror identified the section as being to do with the evidence of Baden-Clay and whether he told lies.

Justice Byrne reread the passage to the jury.

“If you conclude that the accused lied because he realised that the truth would implicate him in killing his wife, you would need carefully also to consider whether the lie reveals a consciousness of guilt merely with respect to manslaughter as distinct from also revealing an intention to kill or to cause grievous bodily harm,” he said.

“You may only use the lie about cutting himself shaving – if it is a lie – as tending to prove the element of murder of an intention to kill or to cause grievous bodily harm if, on the whole of the evidence, the accused lied because he realised that the truth of the matter in that respect would show that, in killing his wife, he had intended to kill her or to cause her grievous bodily harm.

“It may be that, even if you were to find that the accused lied about his facial injuries because he realised that the truth would show him to be the killer, still you would not conclude that the lie shows that he realised that her death after scratching him with her fingernails would show that he had killed her intentionally.”

The jury retired again to consider its verdict.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-outside-sources/story-fnihsrf2-1226984982501

I can understand why the jury wanted to hear these words from the judge again. It is somewhat confusing to me. Id guess they've agreed on facial scratches being from Allison rather than razor.
 
I really feel for Allison's Family and friends at the moment. The waiting is long for us- it must be excruciating for them and with so much more at stake for them.. I can't imagine what they are going through right now.
 
It seems to be fairly standard practice. I'd be surprised if he didn't appeal....

They need to appeal something though I thought, for example the sentence or an error in the trial etc. Hoping someone who knows can tell us.
 
Knowing how the clays appear to play the law, and play people, they will appeal. I get the impression the whole show is like a game to them.

They will probably send a plate around in church to pay for it
 
They need to appeal something though I thought, for example the sentence or an error in the trial etc. Hoping someone who knows can tell us.

Yeh, I don't know what basis they need to be able to appeal.......Alioop will surely be able to fill us in later :)

PS: I reckon he'd find something!
 
I can understand why the jury wanted to hear these words from the judge again. It is somewhat confusing to me. Id guess they've agreed on facial scratches being from Allison rather than razor.
Glad I'm not the only confused about that!
 
Wore yellow to kickboxing today for good luck :please:

My young daughter just came in this morning telling me she had chosen yellow earrings for today....she had no idea of any significance of course, but I just found it to be a lovely synchronicity, maybe with all the talk of "signs" ....warmed my heart
 
They need to appeal something though I thought, for example the sentence or an error in the trial etc. Hoping someone who knows can tell us.

Yes there has to be grounds for an appeal, but this could be anything. They could, for example, argue that some evidence shouldn't have been admitted, or that the Judge erred in summing up, or that counsel was incompetent...there is a wide range of potential grounds.
 
I feel sick! So scared about possible not guilty verdict.
 
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