Theory #4: All Other Theories

Discussion in 'Anna Christian Waters' started by Dr. Doogie, Mar 9, 2006.

  1. Dr. Doogie

    Dr. Doogie New Member

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    This thread will be for discussing any non-abduction theories of what happened to Anna (i.e., drowning, etc.). I will copy forward the relevant material from the previous thread and re-post it her in a condensed form.
     
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  3. Annasmom

    Annasmom Active Member

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    Unless she surfaces somewhere else, nobody can be 100% sure that Anna did not go into Purisima Creek in 1973, but that avenue has been searched as intensively as was possible over many years, with the expertise of divers and geologists as well as family and neighbors. What was not done was to pursue other possibilities, and through the incredible drive and goodness of Doogie and members of the forum, those things are being researched now. Energy, money, interest--all are finite. To divert these resources away is (in my opinion) to repeat the original mistake, which was to search the creek instead of questioning people who might have seen something. Because you, of all people, spent the most time looking at the creek, and nobly so--nobody could ever deny you gave it everything you had--your opinion carries a great deal of weight in these matters. One cannot simply dig up several miles of creekbed, not then and not now. But if you make other options seem hopeless, futile, or even not your first choice, it might well slow or stop the present investigation, which I think you do not want. My comfort in this matter is not an issue.
     
  4. shadowangel

    shadowangel Black cats consider me unlucky.

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    I think it important for people to understand what was happening in the bay area that day. Between 8 and 9 am that morning, it was reported over 8 inches of rain had fallen in the previous 24 hours. That is comparable to hurricane conditions. Roads were flooded, newspapers showed photos of vehicles trying to negotiate city streets with flood water flowing over their hoods.

    One part of this case that has always bothered me...Why would anyone pick this day to go "fishing" for a child to take? The likelihood of a stranger abduction, to me, seems less likely.
     
  5. Annasmom

    Annasmom Active Member

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    Shadowangel, as much as I would like to be able to eliminate ANY theory regarding Anna's disappearance, I have to say that the Bay Area is famous for its microclimates, and the weather on the San Mateo Coastside that day was stormy, but certainly not as dramatic as it was in other parts of the area. The school bus ran to and from school over the mountain roads with no impediment, the horse people came to feed their horses, the blacksmith showed up on time, and the mail was delivered. Nobody even used an umbrella, though we did wear rubber boots when we went outside, because of the mud. Carpenters, however, were not able to work outdoors because of the rain, which is why Joe Ford was home at the time Anna disappeared.
     
  6. iNTERESTEDWOMAN

    iNTERESTEDWOMAN I'll trade you a bushel of corn for a barrel of oi

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    I became interested in this case because the age enhanced picture of Anna looks very similar to one of my friends. Though my friend was born in 1962 and was legally adopted as an infant....Anyway once I started I couldn't stop reading.

    After reading for several hours and viewing the pictures of the farm Anna became missing at, my very first thought was she fell into an abandoned well. With all the rain at the time, a formerly insufficiently capped well could have become weaken. If the child fell through, a pooling effect of dirt/mud could have recovered the hole to appear as just another mud puddle.

    We moved to an old farmstead in NE when we first got married, and capped an abandoned well when we had our first child. Years later we received a letter from the State of Nebraska with a "Platte map" of our farm showing THREE other abandon wells on our immediate property that we never knew existed. After careful examination we located them, and capped them, but one was so disguised by brush and tall grass that we would have never noticed it until it was to late.

    I have read numerous stories over the years of children as well as Adults falling into abandon wells. In one story a grown woman was knocked out cold for several hours from the fall until she regained conscience. It was still 2 days before she was found alive.

    Hopefully this scenario has already been checked out over the years but it could be a highly probable answer. Living in a farming community with a history of raising livestock (Various wells for stock water tanks) this is a fear of many country parents in my area.

    The following is a link I found describing the dangers...though it's a MO site, the facts remain the same for any state.

    http://www.dnr.mo.gov/env/wpp/wellhd/plugging.htm

    >Snip<
    DEADLY TRAPS

    Abandoned, large-diameter dug wells and cisterns are a very real and deadly threat to the residents of rural Missouri. If kept in good repair, they present little threat to human safety, but many well and cistern covers were constructed from wood that can be weakened or destroyed by the elements. Even concrete covers are subject to deterioration. In recent years, abandoned wells have received much notoriety in the press when they have claimed the lives of children who have fallen into them and drowned. Many dug wells and cisterns are still in use. When properly maintained they present little risk, but when abandoned they become potential traps and are an unnecessary risk to human
    <Snip>

    Hopefully for the sake of Anna and her obviously loving family this is not the case. My prayers are with you on your search.
     
  7. Annasmom

    Annasmom Active Member

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  8. SherlockJr

    SherlockJr New Member

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    Annasmom, do you want me to attach the surveyors map here?
     
  9. iNTERESTEDWOMAN

    iNTERESTEDWOMAN I'll trade you a bushel of corn for a barrel of oi

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    I would SherlockJr.:) I've been searching for hours and have come up with a lot of information that could support the fact that cisterns & wells where often built for homestead use in the area. Remember these wells where often dated in the late 1800's to the early 1900's. Once rural water was established they just abandoned these wells. (or if a well ran dry, collapsed etc. they'd just dig another) Where did the water come from when Anna Lived in this house? Was it retrieved at the creek? Was there running water in the house? Did the family receive a monthly water bill? Was there "rural water" pipelines from a nearby water treatment facility or was it pumped out of the ground from an aquifer (well)? Please forgive me if I sound callous, but there is nothing that really makes sence in the disappearance of Anna. I have a strange feeling there was nothing sinister, but a tragic accident. I also read that there are several old oil wells and mines in the area.

    Our house sits on a hill overlooking a small river. The river is less than 1/4 mile from the house, but still there where 4 wells drilled (and abandoned 50 to 70 years ago) around the farmstead.
     
  10. Joe Ford

    Joe Ford Rest in Peace

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    This is the response I received. (Is anyone out there in Ca. willing to pursue it?)

    Mr.Ford
    I am so sorry to hear of your loss. All of our information is
    available to you. Most of the accurate information was collected 3 or 4
    years ago as part of grant. We had an intern visit every property where
    there was supposed to be a well and later on other interns visited
    properties where septic systems were located.



    Steven R. Hartsell, Program Supervisor
    Environmental Health
    455 County Center, 4th floor
    Redwood City, CA 94063

    (650) 363 - 4798
     
  11. Annasbro

    Annasbro New Member

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    I appreciate an unbiased look at these possibilities of falling in some kind of well or something but would like to clarify a few facts that might help:

    After the disappearance there were literally hundreds of people that scoured the surrounding area of the house - every inch. It was the biggest search in the history of San Mateo at the time. There was a helicopter, busses full of searchers, police on horse back, firemen, and volunteers. When I got home from school on the bus the whole area was crawling with activity. I don't see how they could have missed any kind of well or hole. I played all around that area for a few years as a teenager and never knew of such a hole or well in the area around the farm. One of the reasons why they focused of the creek at the time was because it was an unknown where as every inch around the farm was searched and searched with nothing found. The unknown of the creek was investigated quite completely by divers and scores of searchers through the years pulling apart every log jamb and has been determined unlikely.

    We got all of our water from the creek. It was pumped up to a large wooden water tank on the side of the hill. As far as we all know this was allways the source of all the water on the farm which was established in the mid 1800s. Later when more people were allowed to move into Purisima Canyon, they were allowed to build only if they found a well. That was only in the late 60's. Until then everyone, as far as we knew, got their water from the creek.

    The houses on the road were separated by great distances. Our closest neighbor was about one half mile west. There were two houses there and they were built in the late 60s with a modern enclosed well on each of their properties which both had gates and were off of the road.

    We had a septic system at the house. It had a leech field. I wasn't aware of where the tank if there was one was. Again every inch of that yard was searched and it was not overgrown.

    I hope this helps - thanks
     
  12. Annasmom

    Annasmom Active Member

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    Annasbro has written exactly what I was going to write. I will add only the fact that I have written JK, the neighbor who usually took charge of any problems with the water supply, to verify the above. Also, you might note that the entire farm (three houses, barns, etc.) is now owned by an individual
    who does not allow access and who has not responded to our letters. If anyone fell down a well, the earth would not close over them. Some sign would be there.
     
  13. mfmangel1

    mfmangel1 New Member

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    I was not aware of the current resident's stand on access and lack of response. How very sad and upsetting.

    Even in trying to place myself in their position, I don't understand the lack of concern or response to a missing child's family.

    That's a shame.
     
  14. Annasmom

    Annasmom Active Member

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    What's more, she is a famous singer whose songs concern social issues. Go figure.
     
  15. MagicRose99

    MagicRose99 Watch out for my thorns!

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    I wonder if the reporter who recently wrote the article for you would be willing to try to contact her... sometimes, an implied "threat" of making something like this public get's the person to consent to a search...

    I know I wouldn't like to be known for blocking an investigation on a missing child myself.
     
  16. Dr. Doogie

    Dr. Doogie New Member

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    We have not confirmed it yet, but it appears that Mark Longpre has moved on to a different newspaper. His byline hasn't been seen in the Review for a few months.
     
  17. Gina_M

    Gina_M New Member

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    I found this...

    We have a new healthcare reporter at PRWeek, and his name is Marc Longpre. He joins us from the Bay Area, where he has been working at a weekly paper in Half Moon Bay.

    http://www.prweek.com/us/blogs/showpost/8da6afc6-8387-416f-a6eb-f59087132403/
     
  18. iNTERESTEDWOMAN

    iNTERESTEDWOMAN I'll trade you a bushel of corn for a barrel of oi

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    After looking at google satellite images of the area, I would have to say it has remarkably changed in the last 30 years. After pinpointing the area of the farm from Dr. Doogie's map on Yahoo, the area is now littered with what appears to be swimming pools, and at least one tennis court! I did find the attached Stable that offers a trail riding package to the public. It appears to be Very close to the area.


    http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-4372261.html

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    Skywood Stables, Veronica Underwood and Dan Wroten, Rancho Canada Verde, 2700 Purisima Creek Road, Half Moon Bay 94019; (415) 726-5188. Cost: $45 per person.
    The Chuck Wagon BBQ and Camp out includes a steak and corn-on-the-cob dinner with all the fixings. The riding pace is slow, perfect for beginners.

    After the 2-hour ride through the ranch's private land, the guide can direct campers toward a cool stream for drinking, surrounded by redwoods. Bunks are available at the campsite. On most rides, a bluegrass band plays by lantern light.

    <snip>

    A group of Sleuths could sign up, and get a better idea of the climate, land form, soil type, and any hidden clues.
    I'm very interested in the soil type. Clay, sandy, fertile dirt ect. In the satellite image, the farm ground appears to be sandy/loamy.

    *****************

    Edited to add:

    LOL, I guess I should check dates before spouting my mouth. This link is from a magazine article dated 10-1-86. Probably not offering horseback rides anymore! Sorry
     
  19. Annasmom

    Annasmom Active Member

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    This is indeed the exact location of the ranch where our family lived, but the date of this listing puts it between the time we moved and the time the present owner (who rides herself but does not allow the public on her land) took over.

    Yes, the area has changed tremendously since 1973. Lots of very fancy houses there now.
     
  20. rideforfun

    rideforfun New Member

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    Hi. The horseworld is connected by the types of horses and riding one does. I'm big time into horses and have pretty good contacts in the sport horse world, dressage, jumping and eventing and also know some top people in the western world.

    If I can offer any assistance of trying to locate someone who knows the ranch owner personally I would be happy to give it a try.

    Gayle
     
  21. smile22

    smile22 Live Laugh Love

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    if she is not allowing anyone to search the property that means that the only way anyone can would to get a warant to search the property. Le would have to have a really good reason why they wanted to search the property and she would have no choice but to let them or face charges
     

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