UID VICTIM: NY - Lattingtown, AsianFem 20-50, UP10952, golden pig pendant, Jan'13

[Armchair-reader]

Very interesting! Never seen that about the charcoal ashtray! Why would an ashtray be buried with a body? To me, the timeline fits perfectly, although the MO doesn't, but a very interesting case

http://www.koreatimes.com/article/775022
Hopefully this will bring up the page. You have to translate it though😉

 

[Armchair-reader]

This is a charcoal ashtray. From what I am reading the charcoal eliminates the smell of cigarette smoke. This is all new to me.

 

[PictureSnatcher]

This is a charcoal ashtray. From what I am reading the charcoal eliminates the smell of cigarette smoke. This is all new to me.

Do you think the "charcoal in the shape of an ashtray" is an auto translation goof? I am starting to doubt there is any ashtray

 

[Armchair-reader]

Picture-Snatcher ...I just posted an article I found. It is about the pig necklace and about an investigator who contacted a Korean community and asked for help. He was told what he was told. I shared what I had found. I've not heard of a "charcoal shaped like an ashtray" before. I researched it and brought forth what I discovered, if anything to save time for another sleuther who also may not have heard of one. <mod snip>

 

[Armchair-reader]

I've really been researching that pig necklace. OK it's 22karat gold, 3d in shape and possibly made in Korea. It has to be antique or vintage.
I've searched Tiffany, Swarvarski and Coco Chanel. I really thought I would get somewhere with Chanel but no dice. I've searched many Asian countries for a similar piece or mold being China, Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia ECT. Nothing on that end. India though however likes the gold animals with colored eyes (gemstones, crystals) This pig necklace has coloring on it but does anyone have any idea how it was done? Im at a wall and need some ideas to search.

 

[WesternArtist]

With such a broad timeline and no reconstruction this is certainly a challenging one. I focused on MP's fitting what little we have to go on and with circumstances that seem the most likely:

Yuan Xia Wang (Chinese): Missing from Virginia in 1998 (birth date/age not clear). She was smuggled into the US and placed with a foster family when her and her smuggler were caught. Investigators believe she could have run away or been abducted by her smugglers. Initial inquiry underway for DNA so really, there are no identifiers for her. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wang_yuan.html

Ganignunt Aiemsakul (Thai, I believe): Missing from Maryland in 2002 (no DNA yet she lived with her mother). http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/aiemsakul_ganignunt.html

Nachida Keota Chandara (Laotian): Ran away from Arizona in 2007, possibly last in Michigan. I'm not sure if this type of jewelry is even popular in the Laotian community but she seemed to be more at risk than many Asian female MP's so I thought the circumstances could fit. Identifiers available. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/chandara_nachida.html

Por Soua Her (Hmong, I believe): Missing from Minnesota in 2002. Identifiers available. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/her_por.html

I know the photos might not be helpful with no reconstruction but IMO they help us get a sense of the missing and keep their cases alive.

 

[DaisyChains]

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12854/85/

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9570/82/ - Svetlana

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9975/112/

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9974/122/

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/10283/125/

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17311/147/ (potentially born in the year of the pig. disappeared from a shelter.)

Sorry if some of these persons have been listed already.

 

[DaisyChains]

With such a broad timeline and no reconstruction this is certainly a challenging one. I focused on MP's fitting what little we have to go on and with circumstances that seem the most likely:

Yuan Xia Wang (Chinese): Missing from Virginia in 1998 (birth date/age not clear). She was smuggled into the US and placed with a foster family when her and her smuggler were caught. Investigators believe she could have run away or been abducted by her smugglers. Initial inquiry underway for DNA so really, there are no identifiers for her. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wang_yuan.html

Ganignunt Aiemsakul (Thai, I believe): Missing from Maryland in 2002 (no DNA yet she lived with her mother). http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/aiemsakul_ganignunt.html

Nachida Keota Chandara (Laotian): Ran away from Arizona in 2007, possibly last in Michigan. I'm not sure if this type of jewelry is even popular in the Laotian community but she seemed to be more at risk than many Asian female MP's so I thought the circumstances could fit. Identifiers available. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/chandara_nachida.html

Por Soua Her (Hmong, I believe): Missing from Minnesota in 2002. Identifiers available. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/her_por.html

I know the photos might not be helpful with no reconstruction but IMO they help us get a sense of the missing and keep their cases alive.

Have always wondered about Yuan in relation to this case. Also however have wondered about her in relation to Asian John Doe's as she was trafficked and who knows who she really was.

 

[WesternArtist]

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12854/85/

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9570/82/ - Svetlana

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9975/112/

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9974/122/

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/10283/125/

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17311/147/ (potentially born in the year of the pig. disappeared from a shelter.)

Sorry if some of these persons have been listed already.

Yong Joo Pak is a great find! With that name I would think she is Korean, which would match very well with the info the detective found on the jewelry. Since she went missing from a shelter in NYC the circumstances fit very well too.

 

[DaisyChains]

I wish there were a picture for her and more info than what we have. Seems like she was pretty at risk to be a victim.

Yong Joo Pak is a great find! With that name I would think she is Korean, which would match very well with the info the detective found on the jewelry. Since she went missing from a shelter in NYC the circumstances fit very well too.

 

[WesternArtist]

I wish there were a picture for her and more info than what we have. Seems like she was pretty at risk to be a victim.

Me too. I wish she Yong had some identifiers to compare. I know it's a common name but what a coincidence with that considering Michael Pak!

 

[DaisyChains]

I was thinking the same thing. As usual we are on the same track. hehe

Me too. I wish she Yong had some identifiers to compare. I know it's a common name but what a coincidence with that considering Michael Pak!

 

[WesternArtist]

I reached out to two World Languages professors who teach Korean and they both confirmed that the "Charcoal Ashtray" is an auto-translation error.

Here's what happened:

"a body with a form of the skeleton" was translated into "charcoal found in the shape of an ashtray"

&#50976;&#44264;, [yugol], means skeletons. Ashtray is &#50976;&#44264;&#54632;[yugorham], or urn

 

[carbuff]

Item of interest from www.koreantimes.com
If you go to this page you will need to translate.

It was revealed during the investigation that the identity of the carcass found on the beach in Long Island on the 21st was very likely to be a Korean woman on January 24,

"We have found a pure gold necklace with a charcoal found in the shape of an ashtray found in Korean products," said Carl Lee, a member of Nassau County Police Department, who is in charge of the case. The Korean community needs to be informed in order to catch up. "

Lee made a necklace survey around a Korean jewelry factory in Queens Flushing, and obtained the testimony of the owners that the product was 100% sure that it was manufactured in Korea.
According to Nassau County Criminal Investigation Bureau, which conducted the autopsy, the dead body has been dead for five to ten years, and the body size is not large.

According to Lee, Lee, a Korean woman between the ages of 20 and 40 who suddenly disappeared between 1998 and 2010 is likely to be the owner of the body. The body was found in a woman on a 21-day stroll alongside a dog on a beach in Lattington. Since then, the police have reported that the body has been slaughtered, and have been concentrating on investigations to identify the victim. In particular, the authorities were once nervous that the victims were reported to be only 30 miles away from where 10 bodies of women were found,

However, Lee said, "There is no connection with serial killings because the deadline of the body is not right." &#9650; tip: 516-573-7788 <journalist must Underground>
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Bumping the article with the description under discussion.

 

[carbuff]

I reached out to two World Languages professors who teach Korean and they both confirmed that the "Charcoal Ashtray" is an auto-translation error.

Here's what happened:

"a body with a form of the skeleton" was translated into "charcoal found in the shape of an ashtray"

&#50976;&#44264;, [yugol], means skeletons. Ashtray is &#50976;&#44264;&#54632;[yugorham], or urn

But "...a pure gold necklace with a body in the form of the skeleton found in Korean products" doesn't make any more sense than the charcoal ashtray.

"We have found a pure gold necklace with a charcoal found in the shape of an ashtray found in Korean products," said Carl Lee, a member of Nassau County Police Department, who is in charge of the case. The Korean community needs to be informed in order to catch up. "

 

[WesternArtist]

But "...a pure gold necklace with a body in the form of the skeleton found in Korean products" doesn't make any more sense than the charcoal ashtray.

"We have found a pure gold necklace with a charcoal found in the shape of an ashtray found in Korean products," said Carl Lee, a member of Nassau County Police Department, who is in charge of the case. The Korean community needs to be informed in order to catch up. "

Thanks for posting the original translation; out of context to someone new to this thread that would be pretty confusing! Yes, it does seem like the content is still odd. The word order appears muddled. I also received a full translation of the article from them:

Nassau County Investigative Team 'Necklace made in Korea'

Asking tips from Korean community

It was revealed during the investigation that the identity of the carcass found on the beach in Long Island on the 21st was very likely to be a Korean woman <reported on January 24, A6>.

"I found a pure gold necklace with a dead body in a form of skeleton. It turned out made in South Korea. I need tips report from Korean community to get directed," said Carl Lee, a member of Nassau County Police Department, who is in charge of the case.

Lee searched possible sources of the found necklace around Korean jewelry shops in Queens Flushing, and obtained testimony from owners that the product was manufactured in South Korea with 100% sure.

According to Nassau County Criminal Investigation Bureau, which conducted the autopsy, the dead body has been dead for five to ten years, and the victim was tall.

According to Lee, a Korean woman between the ages of 20 and 40 who suddenly disappeared between 1998 and 2010 is likely to be the owner of the body. The body was found by a woman who was walking with her dog on the beach in Lattington on the 21st. Since then, the police have tried their all efforts to identify the victim. The police reported that the body has been abandoned after slaughtered. Particularly, the authorities were once nervous that the victim was found in the area only 30 miles away from where 10 bodies of women were killed in the 2010 serial killings.
However, Lee said, "There is no connection with serial killings because the victim with a pure gold necklace was not killed around the same time."

 

[LanadelNay]

Has anyone looked into the possibility of this woman being Maria Miller? While not much is in common, she does seem to be a small-ish Asian woman (125lbs) who disappeared fairly close by (4.5 hrs away by car) about two years prior. I can't find much about her case, but she does have dentals and DNA available.

 

[Patience]

I wonder if this Jane Doe could be Fang Lin who was known to frequent casinos prior to going missing in 2011 from Ontario?
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?286952-Canada-Fang-Lin-40-Markham-ON-21-Apr-2011

 

[sw300]

I wonder if this Jane Doe could be Fang Lin who was known to frequent casinos prior to going missing in 2011 from Ontario?
CANADA - Canada - Fang Lin, 40, Markham ON, 21 Apr 2011

From what I gathered there was no mention that she had her passport with her, but its possible that she did and that would have let her cross the boarder into New York. Aside from this, I think she matches the description of this UID pretty well, and her disappearance is within the time frame of this doe being found. But what really intrigues me is that she was 40 years old at the time of her disappearance in 2011 which makes her birth year 1971. The year 1971 happens to be the year of the pig. It is pretty common among Asians to wear jewelry of their zodiac sign. So I really think you might be on to something here.

 

[carbuff]

If she's an immigrant in a foreign country, she was likely in the habit of carrying her passport. If she crossed the border in somebody's trunk, she wouldn't need a passport anyway

Her photo at this link (Lin’s husband appeals to public for help in finding missing wife | The Star) shows her wearing a similar style of necklace, though I'm pretty sure it's not in the shape of a pig.

I'd definitely submit this one.