GUILTY UK - Alesha MacPhail, 6, raped & murdered, Ardbeg, Isle of Bute, Scotland, 2 Jul 2018 -*arrest* #5

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  1. Yenriac

    Yenriac Well-Known Member

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    It's definitely 21.

    Her Majesty's Young Offender Institution - Wikipedia

    In regard to Carstairs, he is already assessed as being of sound mind there is no requirement to send him there. He has already been assessed prior to trial.
     
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  2. Mamamiamaria

    Mamamiamaria Well-Known Member

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    If he found Alesha anywhere outside of her bedroom then I think abducting her would be a relatively simple task for him. In Alesha's eyes he was a young person, not a scary grown up she didn't know. Also him having a younger sister, he was probably well able to converse with young girls in a friendly manner.

    What has crossed my mind a few times was if the original motive was in some way connected to the dad's girlfriend. Did he set out with a knife to scare her / attack her in some way ? It's odd he picked her as his defence, was he fixated with her, did they have a one night stand at some stage and he wasn't willing to let it go ?

    He is in no doubt guilty but it's difficult to see why he set out that night to abduct, rape and murder a child he claims not to have met before.

    He went to the house for another reason and happened across little Alesha by chance, imo.
     
  3. Yenriac

    Yenriac Well-Known Member

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    Sorry again. I don't think he would be assessed privately unless someone is willing to foot the bill. He will be assessed leading up to 21st March, that may change things, if sentenced to Prison and not hospital he may go under further assessments but the fact his psychological state never came into question throughout the trial suggests to me he will be sent to prison.
     
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    It is explicit but I agree with @Sleuthdolf. Sometimes young kids make comments like this appearing to be "edgy" or thinking it is funny. I've also seen people of a similar age do the same thing and it's not too uncommon with gamers. I understand the issues with it, especially with someone who is only 12 but it's not an extremely atypical reaction as far as I've seen, especially if it's in relation to something someone said about his sister.

    Ah, that makes sense. Thank you!

    I totally understand where you're coming from and I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way regarding the bit in bold, but it was just something I was considering because I've been pretty invested in this case over the last while - like a lot of us have - and there are lots of things that I wish I could find out more information about. Like @mrazda71 said in a previous post, I'm sure it would amount to absolutely nothing but it's just something I was thinking about. Part of is probably just morbid curiosity the other is me trying to be an (armchair) psychologist. I believe he is guilty and I was not trying to implicate anyone else. I've thought about doing the same thing before with other cases but decided not to, so this might end up the same. Sorry, I know you said this was your last post in here but I just wanted to clarify.
     
  5. Ardoch

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    For the sake of discussion; I would think ( with no expert knowledge) that the psychiatric reports pre- sentencing are more involved than the pre- court ones were and will now take into account his long prison sentence. I'm sure that he will be assessed by a lot of psychiatrists and social workers. JMO
     
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    Ah okay, thanks for explaining :)
     
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    Sorry to interrupt the thread but can someone tell me the reason/s in using "JMO" "IMO" in a post? Thanks.
     
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    He will be being assessed all the time until 21st March undoubtedly. But it was never an issue, the fact he was of sound mind when the crime was carried out is what is important not how he is just now. I got this from and earlier thread.

    Mr McSporran also said the boy had been seen by a psychiatrist for possible "insanity or diminished responsibility".

    He added: "There was no such issue.

     
  9. Yenriac

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    Just my opinion and in my opinion
     
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    I did wonder that...that like you say maybe the assessments going on now might be more involved than the ones before the trial, and they said they are taking account of his background/history etc.
     
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  12. Yenriac

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    They do background reports, this allows the judge to have all the information regarding the crimes including psychiatry, social work (if any), police reports, basically every bit of information there is. This should be taken into account when sentencing.

    Assessments being done now will probably be much the same IMO. The most important one would be the one done pre-trial to determine if he was insane, diminished responsibility and fit for trial. He took the stand he was more than fit for trial or his defence woukd have kept him off.
     
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    Thanks for answering. I just wondered if it was necessary to include this in a post as others seem to do?
     
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    I feel like the only people willing to risk seriously injuring/killing him though, are inmates who are already in for life sentences and don't care about their future, because they will be severely punished for it. They will be applauded inside the prison and also by many people outside too, but it's sentencing themselves to even longer time behind bars.
     
  15. JamesK

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    Maybe he went there that night with the initial intention of murdering Robert and raping and killing Toni. I won’t put anything past this evil weasel. We’ll never know what his original motive was. I’m just glad he was caught and hopefully he will spend the rest of his life in prison with no chance of parole like Ian Brady before him.
     
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    You're probably right. The thing with some Long Term Prisoners especially one's whom have been sentenced to 20 plus years is, they begin to feel they have nothing to lose there's no light at the end of the tunnel, therefore they don't think of the possibility of adding to their sentence if they do attack another prisoner.
     
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    I include it in the posts that i have included my opinion, sometimes i forget though.
     
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  18. Ardoch

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    Huntley, Sutcliffe and Roy Whiting have all been attacked in prison and not just once.
     
  19. Yenriac

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    To name a few. Also Peter Tobin.
     
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    For the time being i'm sticking with seasoned criminologist Professor David Wilson's sentiments that he hasn't seen enough evidence to suggest that AC is actually psychopathic.

    I think he definitely has at least one personality disorder, or is potentially co-morbid (ie BPD and NPD), but i think his sheer carelessness at the murder scene and his 'wee boy' reactions to being locked up (if what the mother said is true) don't stack up to suggest sociopathy.

    However, he probably will be assessed after sentencing, and if they do diagnose anything significant i think he probably will be sent to Carstairs.
     
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