GUILTY UK - Celine Dookhran, Kidknapped, Raped and Murdered & a Survivor, London, July 2017

A man accused of helping a builder kidnap two women lied to police because he "panicked", a court has heard.

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Prosecutor Bill Emlyn Jones said the defendant had been "forced" into changing his initial account only after telephone evidence exposed his lies

Mr Emlyn Jones told Mr Tappu such evidence "proves you were that second kidnapper".

He admitted telling lies during his police interviews because he "was worried" and "panicked" - but said he eventually told the truth.

Mr Tappu told jurors he went to meet his co-defendant in the area of the alleged kidnap to collect money he was owed for labouring work.

He said he had gone home without seeing Mr Arshid after waiting in his car for about two hours.

He told jurors he "smoked a joint," used his iPad, and "nodded off" for a while.

Mr Tappu, from Acton, said the only conversations he had with Mr Arshid around the time in question related to building work, his health, and a proposed plan to grow cannabis.

He denied being known as Jay - which prosecutors said was his nickname, heard by the surviving woman during the kidnap.

Prosecutor Mr Emlyn Jones told Mr Tappu he had "been roped into committing an appallingly serious criminal offence" and "now the net is tightening around you".

Mr Tappu said he was being "implicated" by his co-accused.

"I'm nothing like Mujahid," he added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42926297
 
Just want to thank Legally Bland for their posts/updates.

I thought I was probably immune to emotional reaction after years on WS, but this is so dreadful I haven't been able to read those links in this horrendous case so I'm relying on LB to keep me updated, many thanks.

I very much 2nd that. I thought I was immune too, evidently not.
 
Justice has failed victims so many times before, in this case also in 2014. It is very clear how manipulative and conniving liar this person is. On top of it dangerous sexual predator and murderer.

What is maximum sentence in UK? Does not life mean serving only 15 years or something?

Poor families must be going through tremendous turmoil since all this happened. He raped and bruttaly murdered his own niece and raped and cut throat of other. No words.

I do hope his wife will testify and fry his *advertiser censored*.
 
Justice has failed victims so many times before, in this case also in 2014. It is very clear how manipulative and conniving liar this person is. On top of it dangerous sexual predator and murderer.

What is maximum sentence in UK? Does not life mean serving only 15 years or something?

Poor families must be going through tremendous turmoil since all this happened. He raped and bruttaly murdered his own niece and raped and cut throat of other. No words.

I do hope his wife will testify and fry his *advertiser censored*.
I think life is something like 21 years. I don't know if two victims will mean a longer sentence. I hope so.
 
Here's the starting points for life imprisonment in the UK. I'd be disappointed with anything less than a minimum of 30 years. Other than possibly having no prior convictions, I really don't see what there is to mitigate this.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_England_and_Wales#Minimum_term

ETA: England and Wales, not the whole UK.
 

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I am hoping "if" found guilty (have to say that :mad:), any defendant shown to be such a liar and completely without regret or regard for their abominable acts would incur a higher sentence for such an obviously devious. lying attempt at evidence.
I feel for the family of these poor girls having to sit through this - my heart bleeds for them it really does. What a vile, evil human being this person is... imoo of course.
 
Central Criminal Court 11 T20177285
Mujahid Arshid
Vincent Hussain Tappu
Details: Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:18
Trial (Part Heard) - No Event - 10:40
Trial (Part Heard) - No Event - 11:46
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 12:05 - 11:55
Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 12:33
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 14:10 - 12:48
Trial (Part Heard) - Prosecution Closing Speech - 14:15
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 10:00 - 15:42
http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Central-Criminal-Court.php
 
Just seen this from 30th Jan. I've read back thorough the thread, but I can't find any context for it.

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From the man accused of raping and murdering his niece: "I hate Harry Potter, I hate Harry Potter so much, oh I really hate Harry Potter. I would never disrespect my own computer by typing something to do with Harry Potter."

https://twitter.com/kirkkorner/status/958375436169379840

ETA: I should have just clicked on the tweet, still not sure of the relevance:

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His Harry Potter rant was after being asked if an internet search on the young wizard was him. He's pretty convinced it wasn't.

https://twitter.com/kirkkorner/status/958376043664105473
 
In his closing speech, prosecutor Crispin Aylett QC said the 33-year-old builder had been “obsessed” with the surviving victim for years and fantasised about raping her in chat logs with an undercover police officer.

The married man had researched murder on the internet as he plotted to snatch both women, the court heard.

On July 19 last year, he allegedly seized his opportunity after Ms Dookhran became “distraught” at a family meeting aimed at forcing her to give up her boyfriend.

Mr Aylett said the fact Arshid had fantasised about raping the survivor in chat logs some four years before was “the most sinister aspect” of what were “already hideous events”.

He told jurors: “Bear in mind that when (the surviving victim) gave her account to police she would not have known anything of the sexual fantasy (Arshid) had been festering over all those years.”

He went on: “The prosecution suggest Arshid had been obsessed with (the surviving victim) for years. After all he was so jealous of (her boyfriend) he actually punched him in the mouth.

“And he had become rather fond of Celine. He had come into her dressing room half dressed and sat in the room in a rather creepy way, certainly over familiar.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa...yearnings-uncle-court-told.html#ixzz56FnKsZnZ
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“If his plan had been to rape (the surviving victim), somehow Celine got dragged into his warped yearnings as well.

“The family meeting did create a situation that Arshid could take advantage of.

“Celine was distraught, looking to run away. (The surviving victim) had her own issues with her family.

“He had in fact been planning for such a situation for some time. You know from the internet searches Mr Arshid had been planning all of this for three weeks or so before it happened.”

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...d-yearnings-of-uncle-court-told-36569649.html
 
Celine Dookhran, 20, was allegedly kidnapped, raped, and killed by Mujahid Arshid who then stuffed her into a freezer at a house he was renovating in Kingston, south-west London.

Another woman, who cannot be identified, escaped the same fate, despite Arshid saying she had “10 minutes to live” as she lay bleeding on the bathroom floor, the Old Bailey has heard.

In his closing speech, prosecutor Crispin Aylett QC said the 33-year-old builder had been &#8220;obsessed&#8221; with the surviving victim for years and fantasised about raping her in chat logs with an undercover police officer. << snipped >>

He went on: &#8220;The prosecution suggest Arshid had been obsessed with (the surviving victim) for years. After all he was so jealous of (her boyfriend) he actually punched him in the mouth. << snipped >>

Arshid, formerly of south-west London, denies murder, attempted murder, rape of both women and the previous sexual assault and assault by penetration of the surviving woman when she was about 13.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa...ragged-warped-yearnings-uncle-court-told.html
 
Hoping for a verdict tomorrow.

Central Criminal Court 11 T20177285Mujahid Arshid
Vincent Hussain Tappu
Details: Trial (Part Heard) - MUJAHID ARSHID; Defence Closing Speech - 10:12
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 11:45 - 11:36
Trial (Part Heard) - MUJAHID ARSHID; Defence Closing Speech - 11:49
Trial (Part Heard) - VINCENT HUSSAIN TAPPU; Defence Closing Speech - 12:15
Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 12:58
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 14:10 - 13:00
Trial (Part Heard) - VINCENT HUSSAIN TAPPU; Defence Closing Speech - 14:15
Trial (Part Heard) - Summing Up - 14:47
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 15:30 - 15:01
Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 15:38
Trial (Part Heard) - Summing Up - 15:41
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 10:00 - 16:30

http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Central-Criminal-Court.php
 
There's been some reporting restrictions. Don't know what case closed means.
Court 11:
Details:Plea and Trial Preparation - Case Started - 10:02
Plea and Trial Preparation - Case adjourned until 11:30 - 10:59
Plea and Trial Preparation - Resume - 11:32
Plea and Trial Preparation - Reporting Restrictions Lifted - 11:52
Plea and Trial Preparation - Case Closed - 12:15
http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Central-Criminal-Court.php

I think that was Jon Venables. The timings corresponded with Coutnewsuk's tweets.

Central Criminal Court 11 T20180018 Ab

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Only the judge, Mr Justice Edis could see Venables when he appeared at the Old Bailey via a video link from a secret location.
Venables, referred to as 'AB' admitted having 392 category A images, 148 category B and 630 category C pictures. He also had a 'paedophile manual'

https://twitter.com/CourtNewsUK/status/961190352043544576

Hopefully they're deliberating, but maybe they haven't got underway today yet.
 
That looks like it till tomorrow afternoon. I make it nearly 6 hours of summing up so far.

Central Criminal Court 11 T20177285Mujahid Arshid
Vincent Hussain Tappu
Details: - No Information To Display -
Trial (Part Heard) - Summing Up - 11:17
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 14:10 - 13:07
Trial (Part Heard) - Summing Up - 14:17
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 13:15 - 15:23

http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Central-Criminal-Court.php
 
Dog-gone, seems like an awfully long summation! The jurors are going to forget the beginning of it by the time they get to go deliberate LOL.

Hopefully, though, in all seriousness, the jurors have heard enough and have already decided his guilt and will go in and be back in within an hour with a guilty verdict. For me, at least, there is not one thing I have read that would make me question his guilt.
 
Just a reminder of the charges

[FONT=&amp]Arshid, [33] of no fixed address, and Tappu, 28, of Acton, west London, deny kidnap, false imprisonment and possession of a firearm with intent.

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[FONT=&amp]Arshid has also pleaded not guilty to murder, attempted murder, rape of both women and the previous sexual assault and assault by penetration of the surviving woman when she was about 13.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...shid-murder-plot-acid-bath-killer-court-hears
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