UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #21

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The Dad has spoken the truth, so what's wrong with that? <modsnip>

Nothing wrong with it, I didn't mean I disagreed with what he said. Just that it's been said before, and while his main focus is (and should be) Corrie, there are two other sons with whom his relationship is damaged, publicly slagging their mum off won't help. Hope they can make amends at some point.
 
Nothing wrong with it, I didn't mean I disagreed with what he said. Just that it's been said before, and while his main focus is (and should be) Corrie, there are two other sons with whom his relationship is damaged, publicly slagging their mum off won't help. Hope they can make amends at some point.
I have to say I do not understand D and M not speaking to their father. That seems particularly cruel in these circumstances. Why wouldn't they at least make peace? I can see that there is no chance MM and NU seeing eye to eye but why would D and M want to lose both C and their father? I do not think it can be just the PC but has to be other things too IMO.
 
I have to say I do not understand D and M not speaking to their father. That seems particularly cruel in these circumstances. Why wouldn't they at least make peace? I can see that there is no chance MM and NU seeing eye to eye but why would D and M want to lose both C and their father? I do not think it can be just the PC but has to be other things too IMO.

As they say you can't choose your family but you can choose your friends. We don't know the personal family circumstances nor should we. However I really do think in such circumstances the family have a common denominator and that is a missing son brother and step son who I presume means the absolute world to them all. Not seeing eye to eye is not really an option and it is really sad not to see a family publically pulling together in such difficult circumstances. How they all get on in private may well be a different message. We really don't know and only have MSM to go by.
 
As they say you can't choose your family but you can choose your friends. We don't know the personal family circumstances nor should we. However I really do think in such circumstances the family have a common denominator and that is a missing son brother and step son who I presume means the absolute world to them all. Not seeing eye to eye is not really an option and it is really sad not to see a family publically pulling together in such difficult circumstances. How they all get on in private may well be a different message. We really don't know and only have MSM to go by.
I think they are not getting on at all either in public or private judging by MM comments. He has made it very clear about that IMO.
 
I, too, wondered if the press conference involved only Nicola and the boys because the police wanted to check their behaviour. I don't believe they were involved, but perhaps it was one line that the police were ruling out and couldn't really tell Martin that. Just a thought. I'm probably wrong!
 
I, too, wondered if the press conference involved only Nicola and the boys because the police wanted to check their behaviour. I don't believe they were involved, but perhaps it was one line that the police were ruling out and couldn't really tell Martin that. Just a thought. I'm probably wrong!

Maybe that's why they don't like Martin. The police never had him under suspicion, the rest of the family always referred to Corrie in the past tense since the beginning.


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Pointing the finger at his family is utterly ridiculous, they were all hundreds of miles away.

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Spare a thought for the poor sods still searching the landfill site. We're entering a period of (if the Met Office is to be believed) hot weather. The stench at the tip will be unbearable.
 
Spare a thought for the poor sods still searching the landfill site. We're entering a period of (if the Met Office is to be believed) hot weather. The stench at the tip will be unbearable.
Hopefully it won't be fot much longer. Was it for two more weeks because that would be up tomorrow?
 
Hopefully it won't be fot much longer. Was it for two more weeks because that would be up tomorrow?



IIRC it was announced on 17th May that the search would be extended for another 3 weeks.

Would that have been 3 weeks from that date, as I'm no longer sure when the search was originally due to finish?
 
Hopefully it won't be fot much longer. Was it for two more weeks because that would be up tomorrow?
BBC news reported an extra three weeks on 17th may. It's not a precise deadline though.

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I presume that it's an extra three weeks on top of the eleven weeks and not the original ten weeks that they ran over by a week already,
 
He tried to walk eight miles to his base, that is a long way after one night out.
I ask my self, did he drink some spirits? If the answer is positive, I think that is the problem, because probably he did not realize that he did not have the conditions to walk far away, he could sit down near the landfill for sleeping because he was tired, or he did not feel very well and he tried to relax for a while, for me, the alcohol, booze, is the responsible of the disappearance.
 
There is no evidence he tried to walk home. The landfill is not on his way home.

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Didn't several people say he told them he was planning to walk home?
Anyway I expect "walking home" would include hoping to thumb a lift along the way. That's usually what lads do.
 
Didn't several people say he told them he was planning to walk home?
Anyway I expect "walking home" would include hoping to thumb a lift along the way. That's usually what lads do.
Yeah and he may have been walking out up SB and someone gave him a lift, but why then has no one admitted that? We have been thru this so many times now so someone must know and be lying if he does not turn up in LF.
 
There is a big spurious gap in the info/truth about the bin-lorry/landfill thing IMO. Take your pick at which part really, but I'm here to mention something about the actual landfill part.

And that is that, the bin-lorry that picked up the bin, would not have directly dumped it's load onto the landfill site.

Landfill site's all use specialist vehicles for the job. You can Google map any LF site in the UK, including Milton, and you will see only a specific type of vehicle enters the actual landfil site and does the dumping. You won't see any standard bin-lorries on the landfill part of the site itself.

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Therefore, there is a transfer process at some point between the collection (of the bin) and the waste being dumped onto the actual ground (landfill). It would go bin lorry with waste content to landfill site -> waste content transfer into container/specialist landfill vehicle -> dumping.

As you see in the picture above, that specialist vehicle seems to utilize "capsules", that it can pick up, change at whim etc. There's also the flatbed tipper trucks, which seem to be used at Milton perhaps more than the one in the image above.

I worked on a landfill site for about 4 months. I only ever saw the vehicles pictured above and bulldozer's on the actual landfill part of a landfill site. I admit I don't recall very well how the transfer from standard bin lorry to the larger vehicles occurred. But I do remember there being strict protocols about who and what goes past a certain point, onto the landfill site. I don't think it included street bin lorries. And it makes sense. Biffa, Grundon, whomever, don't want their expensive street lorries careening down the side of a landfill.

So. The first major misconception is that a standard bin lorry (the one that entered the horse shoe) later tipped its load directly onto a landfill site. I don't buy it... At the very best, the Biffa lorry dumped its waste into a container near the front of the landfill site (again, you can see many containers at the front of the site on Google maps). A second vehicle like the one above or a flatbed specialist truck would've taken it out onto the site.

Is this significant? Possibly not. But it raises the question of the vagueness of certain assertions, yet again.

But the second misconception, which is more of a personal grievance from my time and observations working on a landfill, perhaps is. And that is that dumping onto a landfill site is not a "willy nilly" event. You don't drive in and dump it where you want, the workers do not do that. They will likely have been using a particular zone or quadrant of the landfill on the date in question.

They should be able to look at their log and narrow down the quadrant that was being dropped into on Corrie's dates. I don't know how refined (metres squared etc) you can get with that, but I'm almost certain logged quadrants exist in some form on landfill sites. It's how they allow for others areas of the site to regenerate.

This I feel is significant, because when they say "searching landfill" it gives the impression that the whole site needs to be searched, when in fact that probably isn't the case at all. Much like the Biffa logging its (incorrect) weight, someone at landfill will have had to log, in some manner, even the most basic, their duty of taking the transferred waste from container to the dumping spot, even if that is just "Quadrant: Answer. Date: Answer. Time: Answer."

And with that in mind he probably should've been found by now, and if not, probably never will be. But I believe that would be because he isn't there, not because there is "so much waste". IF they do come back with this sort of statement, that he couldn't be found and they feel he is there, but perhaps under "too much waste" to reasonably search, you know it's probably BS. Because they could probably hone in on a particular zone and dig 100 feet if they needed to.

EDIT. Whilst the bin lorry may have turned up and put waste in a container on a Sunday (can't quite remember the actual day it was supposed to arrive, I think it's Sunday though), that container wouldn't have been moved on the Sunday, surely. Whilst that container may have had several loads put into it (if various bin-lorries did a similar thing), again it would possibly be logged, it could be searched itself for traces. And it allows for an extra period of time where an early/initial discovery could have perhaps been made (though I acknowledge it's reasonable that such a discovery could also have been very unlikely). That said, the "log" we've heard about could very well be that, the weight test conducted on the landfill site when bin-lorry transferred its waste.

And there's one final thing, and that is that after every single other co-incidence that occurred from the minute Corrie walked into the horseshoe up until this point, like no witnesses, no cctv, no phone discovery, the final blow would be that the guy driving the bulldozer who basically does the "flattening out" of dumped waste didn't get a hint at anything. I won't describe it in detail, but I'm sure you can understand how, you might expect him to notice something. He spends all day every day seeing, smelling, pushing standard waste around, his trained eyes, nose, ears... will spot an arm, a leg... But no-one ever did. The Biffa never got a hint of a person. The period Corrie would've been in transfer, again not spotted. The point of waste dumping and the bulldozer flattening, not a hint. These things still arguably point to it never occurring at all.

One last thing. The found a back of a phone once, in January 2017. The same month where they said they wouldn't search the landfill (oh how things changed eh!). In the article it says the police effectively dismissed the back of the phone and wouldn't do any further testing on it (though it was never so clear what tests were run). But again, it makes you wonder -- even the most junior of SOCO staff could do a fingerprint swab of that phone case, to at least confirm it perhaps was or wasn't his. But they never did.... it boggles the mind?
 
It's true that the police have not given the public a detailed account of how waste is transferred. This has resulted in a lot of ignorant comment. It's helpful when someone like you comes along and explains in more detail. People will still clamour for the "bin lorry driver" to be questioned on where he emptied the load though.

As for where they are searching, they are indeed searching a very specific part of the LF site where it is known that the waste from BSE on the relevant date was deposited. They have searched that section and are now checking the perimeter of the section for completeness, as some of the waste has shifted.

They have found numerous phones, and parts of phones, during the search, and I am sure that all of them have been forensically checked and presumably ruled out.
 
Hi and :welcome: timenspace.
Interesting first post, and always valuable to have some "hands on" information from someone.

Couple of questions I hope you may be able to answer - would the landfill site (in fact are landfill sites) secured when not in use ?

You mention the empty large flatbed trucks and containers on site and these being where bin lorries can empty waste.
I have had difficulty with the theory that a bin lorry drove onto a landfill site and dumped waste, and we have discussed some threads ago the Waste Transfer Stations, but the possibility that a bin lorry can bypass a WTS and dump into containers at site explains a lot.

Another thing I've read about this landfill site is that it has a 55 tonne compactor. Would most waste go through the compactor before being dumped?
 
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